Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Hi!
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Welcome! Welcome, everybody.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I caught some kind of something from my 9 year old. So I'm gonna be drinking a lot of tea today, just letting you know as we go
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): alright.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But as folks are coming in let's
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): get started.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): We've got a lot of work to do today. I'm excited. But and before we jump in I'd love to hear
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): from some of you how things are going. What is it that you would like to celebrate right, even if it's not. Oh, my gosh! I finished my whole course right.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): There's still things to celebrate. What is it that you'd like to celebrate? Maybe it's something around your curriculum.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Maybe it's something else a a couple of you as you've been sharing your curricula with me, been also writing notes about some things that are are shifting in the programs you're already
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): leading in your client work. You know, just by doing the work that we're doing here, so I'd love to hear what's going. Well, what you wanna celebrate, what you wanna honor, and any questions that you have or where you're stuck. Margoli.
Margalit Grunberger: Thanks for seeing the real hand.
Margalit Grunberger: I'm celebrating that. I got started. Thank you and including some of your teachings in my coaching that
Margalit Grunberger: the affirming II don't know the right language, but like, if someone's talking about, they're so overwhelmed. And there's been that I go. Of course you are. You're a big dreamer. I mean.
Margalit Grunberger: I never did that before, Joanna. It's just they get to take up
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): a breath of fresh air that they didn't do before. So yeah, I'm so so glad I mean it is. It's such a small thing. But it's such a magical thing to be validated and affirmed, and to normalize, and then to to use it as an asset. Right? Yeah, beautiful. Thank you. And also getting started. You've more than gotten started. Give yourself credit.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): good.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Who else who wants to share? What do you want to celebrate? What do you want to honor? What questions do you have? Where are you stuck?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Don't be shy.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Josie.
Dr. Josie: Hi, Joanna! I just wanna honor I was last Friday I was.
Dr. Josie: Didn't realize how overwhelmed I was, and I was like all piping myself up to get going and and do a whole bunch of work on in Impulse Group. And I literally the I took your shadow workshop the day before, and I was still processing all of that, but I was again like I was completely going into like I popped on with in ball, and was like in meltdown mode, but she just sat there
and like, listen to me, and just ask me what I needed, and I was like, you know what I needed to shut off the world and just go into my journal and process through all that stuff.
Dr. Josie: And it was perfect. And I've come out with a whole, you know. Then I was able to sit down like this weekend and write out at least get stuff into a Google document and get my thoughts on in the computer. So it was really helpful.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'm so so glad, so first of all, it was great to see your work. And I made some comments and wrote you back in case you didn't see. And yeah, at the on Thursday, at the workshop, II caught in the chat like towards the end you wrote something about the dragon, and I was like, Oh, Josie's like there, there's something I was so happy, and I could like already see the fire energy that was wanting
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): planning to come through, and I love that you were able on Friday with involve to just make that space for yourself
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to go deeper in. And then the fire came through over the weekend. And you guys really beautiful?
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Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Tara.
Tara Sage: hey, Joanna? I don't know if it's
Tara Sage: a block so much as I am
Tara Sage: just
Tara Sage: doing and managing a lot. And
Tara Sage: I have. I am prepping for a launch series of emails and all of that, I'm doing a ton of writing in the background.
Tara Sage: because my course kicks off in the New Year.
Tara Sage: really second half of January into February.
Tara Sage: So alongside that I'm also prepping for the curriculum for that very program, you know. And so it's a little bit of a juggle and also a trust fall because
Tara Sage: you saw the beginnings of it.
Tara Sage: and I believe I have so much that I can
Tara Sage: jump in with when time
Tara Sage: tells me that's needed. But I'm also sort of anxious that I won't have your support.
Tara Sage: you know
Tara Sage: that I'm not taking full advantage of your support
Tara Sage: for feedback now, when I might need it actually, in February, like, I might be just like behind the curve on actually
Tara Sage: receiving that feedback that I very much want. So I'm just in the dance.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and I thought I'd share that. Yeah, I'm so glad that you're naming all of it. First of all, just naming the juggle of a launch of a new program where it's you're kind of hopefully, you've built the structure of the ship, but you're still building it a little bit as you're as you're going, and that is a lot, and that is a trust fall. And so
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'm just glad you're naming it for yourself and for all of us here, even when
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I've I've led a program many times over it. It I love that term like it feels like a trust fall every time and another opportunity to go deeper into that self trust and trust of others. You know of the people that are gonna show up and trust of universe. So I'm just honoring you for all that. You're in right now.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I always want everybody to take even more advantage than they're taking without having that self, critical voice of Oh, my gosh! I'm not taking enough advantage. So I just wanted. I'm so glad you're naming that, too, cause I know you're not the only one we can like. Beat ourselves up. I'm not showing up enough, and I'm not asking enough, and you know all the things
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and I want you and everybody doing to. I want to invite you to hold both things at once, which is that you are taking advantage, exact in the exact ways
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that you need to, and are meant to in the right timing.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and also ask me more questions and and and use me more because I'm here. Right? So that's the invitation that I'm give. Gonna give you, Tara is to know is part of the trust fall right to know that you're actually using this program exactly as you're meant to in this moment.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Find the places where you can lean in more, and then my team always for e everything my team is always like. No, Joanna, don't, don't, but it just like who I am. And so I share this.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Those of you that have been with programs in me before. Know this. I share this for anyone that hasn't II am a relationships person. I am not closing the door on the last day of the program. And and that means a couple of different things.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Number one, every. We will have a week after our last official class that anybody can still submit anything, and I will
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): give you answer your questions, give you feedback, give you thoughts. It also means that if a question comes up. Shoot me an email, shoot me a Facebook message. I love to hear from you. If it is, unless it is something that requires. You know us getting on the phone for an extensive amount of time. But if it's something that I can easily answer.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'm here in freedom.
Tara Sage: it's bad for business, but it's not because I it's like I am here. I really want to support all of you in all the ways like.
Tara Sage: Okay, awesome. I feel that. And I appreciate that, and I'm glad to hear it's not a hard stop like a date, because if I'm not accessing it in this time.
Tara Sage: I know I will really benefit from a bit of feedback in a month or 2, you know, so I'm glad to hear that. Thank you very much. You're so welcome, and I'm so excited for all you're doing and for all the writing you're doing as well.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): We have time for one more share anyone else want to share. How are things going when you want to celebrate? Question? Yeah, Kathy.
Cathy Norris: I should well celebrate that. I'm enjoying life, I guess, because I love snow, and it finally snowed. And I'd love to cross country ski.
Cathy Norris: and I'm I mean, I'm doing many aspects of my life. And I I did
Cathy Norris: as you know, I have my 5 week course, and I haven't been able. What I'm working on doing, even the decision on, am I gonna do something different in my group program, or am I just gonna do the 5 week course and my feedback from my 5 week course is that even though I really streamlined it from my pilot.
Cathy Norris: and have very little for them to do. I thought they still didn't do it all. So
Cathy Norris: my group coaching is going to be the same content. So we can go more into that.
Cathy Norris: So that's where I am. And I haven't had time to to dig in more with what that's gonna look like and send that to you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I can't wait to see it. And I think that's so exciting, going deeper and into the layers. Yeah, that's a big deal. Right? II just wanna celebrate you for that, because we do always want to go wider instead of deeper. And it's a big deal to to say, No.
Cathy Norris: yeah.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): into this
Cathy Norris: yay and yay for enjoying life.
Cathy Norris: And I have another comment that I I'll just say I well, I want. I the shadow workshop. I know I need it. My Internet was down in my whole area geographical area all day Thursday and I kept getting kicked off, and like I was missing like one of the 3 Major. You know the 3
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): shadows you and I was like, I can't even do this have to find time. It wasn't the right moment to do. The Polly will be a better moment when or the right moment when I do do it. So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Courtney is in the chat is celebrating the breakthrough that you finally have a clear sense of how the Pro. The new program fits into the bigger picture of the business, your birthday. Yay, I'm so so happy to hear it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay. before we
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): jump in today, we're gonna start looking at exercises, creating exercises in our programs and going deeper with our thought leadership so that people can really learn. But before we do, I have a bunch of logistics
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): things that I just want to make sure I share with all of you. So first of all. tomorrow
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): at 2 Pm. Eastern, I'm just making sure that's the right time it tomorrow at 2 Pm. Eastern, you should all have this on your calendars. But just as a reminder, Melanna Lishinski, who is a friend of mine and a colleague of mine who is the person who has provided us. She's the creator of coaching Jeannie, and she's provided these 3 months of the platform for those of you that are interested in taking advantage of coaching Jeannie.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): She'll be with us from 2 to 3 tomorrow.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): To ex to do a demo of how the platform works. It's really user friendly. So it, that's one of the reasons why I just wanted you all to check it out and see if that's helpful for you and makes your life easier when you're delivering your programs.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So we've got that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): on Wednesday. Check your member center because we'll be dropping another bonus. It is on how to create journaling sequences in your group program. So how to take any piece of content
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that you wanna go more deeply into, and how to create journaling sequences, to create more awareness for deeper processing, for deeper breakthroughs.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I see there's some queues in the chat. Where is the link to Melana's event? Tomorrow it is the same as this zoom link, and I'll make sure if it's not in the member center
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I just make a note. I'll make sure it's in there
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): policing. I can't be there. I don't think I'll ask Melana. I don't think so. I don't think there's a a start date
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the bonus for the Journaling bonus will be dropped in your member center on Wednesday.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): so it's not a live course. It's it's not a live class. It's a recording.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah, and you'll always get reminders. So if we have a bonus call to show up, for you will always get a reminder of it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay, so we have a lot going on this week. Our call today. You could hang out with us almost every day this week. Tomorrow, Wednesday, you'll get a recording Friday. You have another. Get it done with in ball.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay, next logistics piece that I wanted to mention.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Next week, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, we have our virtual marketing retreat.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Raise your hand
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): if you are feeling nervous about that. If you're like, I don't know.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Raise your hand if you are thinking I haven't done enough on my curriculum, so I'm not going to be able to take advantage. Get all the resistances out there.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah, I'm seeing hands raised, messaging up.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay, here's what I want you to know.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Number one.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): We are going to have a lot of fun.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Number 2, no matter where you are, in your curriculum development. even if you haven't even sorted out yet, beginning and end of journey.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Not only
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): is the marketing virtual retreat gonna be appropriate for you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): but it will actually help you develop your curriculum more, for wherever you are right now. It's like you're getting a 2 for one. You're getting an opportunity to start to create a sales page or a sales letter for your course.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But along the way
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you're going to develop your curriculum more, it's it's pretty magical how it happens.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'm going to be over those days. We're going to be learning, step by step how to put a sales page or a sales letter for a course together.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And we're gonna have. Get it done time. Now you're not gonna I maybe one of you will walk out with a full sales page at the time we're done. We don't that much get it done time.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But you will all walk out with really good piece, like beginnings of pieces of writing for each section
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): of your sales page.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and with
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Wash rinse repeat, for completing it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay, so wherever you are with your curriculum.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): our virtual retreat next week
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): is for you. I see there's a lot of excitement there, if you can't, Linda, I'm sorry you're not going to be able to be there. You will have the recordings, and you can always ask me questions afterwards.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Jessica. So there are some people that are here that got. And Jessica, you're one of them that got bonus in
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): from another program. Your your program doesn't include that. You end next week. So you don't get the marketing retreat. That's probably why you you haven't seen information for it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Heather.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I don't know if it's the best use of your time.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): If you're not needing to write promotional material, you will go deeper into your curriculum, but I don't know if that is like the absolute, best way for you to use that time.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and if there's
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you know, as I continue to look at your curriculum. I was so glad that you sent me starting to look good. If there are pieces as you continue to send me, that I feel like, Oh, go back to the reporting of the retreat for this or that, I'll let you know.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): so even if you wake up the morning that we start. And you're like, Oh, I hate marketing. Maybe I shouldn't show up, even though I've put aside the time
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): show up. Okay, we're gonna have a good time. You're gonna get a lot done.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What else can I tell you?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I've been so impressed by over these weeks by the work that everybody has been submitting and sharing.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): If you haven't shared yet, please do doesn't matter. If it's incomplete or it doesn't feel good enough.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Share it. I'll help you get moving even more
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): if you've shared already, and you want to share again. Please do
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): let me know what you need.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'll be around
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): right after the retreat next week. I'm leaving town for a winter break, so whatever you send me second half of December, I won't get to
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): until
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): after the New Year.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You have another
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): gift bonus that I just wanna mention
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): speaking of
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): did Tara saying over when we're done? What if we want more. I've added a special bonus that's gonna happen on February fifth. It's just an extra gift from me to you. I think I mentioned I was gonna do it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): It's a 2 h training on how to put together a preview workshop.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So a little more marketing support. If you're wanting it. We'll send out emails for that.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And then the last piece some of you have asked me about advanced death.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): We'll make time in January to talk more about it together. If that's something you're interested in doing once life changing courses is done. If you are making decisions for your trainings for 2024 now, and you wanna have a conversation about it. Reach out. Speak to me. Caitlin involved
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): we're more than happy to talk to you about it, and I'll also share more in January. And you've got a special savings on life on advanced as a member of like changing
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Jessica. You'll get invited to the preview class as well as part of advanced.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Paula.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'll just share briefly now, and we can talk. If you want to talk more later we can Sacred depths and advanced steps are sequential. But if you are a very seasoned practitioner, if you've been at it for a while, you can step into advanced
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): without sacred depths. First.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): okay.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): let's talk about ways to deepen your thought leadership.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): with it we're going to start to think about exercises as well.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): ways that we present our thought leadership exercises that we use
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and entry ways into the thought leadership.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): We're going to be starting on this topic today, and we're going to be going with this for the next few sessions.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And of course we've already in so many ways started talking about deepening your thought leadership.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And your steps. beginning with
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): finding the details within the detail.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And I know I've I've said this more than once before, and I'm saying it again, because it is not to be underestimated. Just the simple act of finding the details
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): within the thought, your your steps
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and pulling them out and making a connection from one piece to the the next.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): is going to help your work deep in
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and help you take your people deeper.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay? So we've already been looking at that. And I'm going to continue to remind you to find the details within the details.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): we're going to be looking today at different ways, to think about deepening your thought, leadership and different ways, to think.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to be thinking about setting up your exercises.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I've tried to organize what I'm sharing today as best I can.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and also some of it defies organization a little bit. So if you're Virgo type like me, don't let your brain kind of get all frustrated. Because this is the delivery of this is a little bit more cyclical than linear. So kind of take in all the different pieces.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Where I want to look first is the 4 levels of learning and processing.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and many of you, if not all of you
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): have heard me. If you've been in sacred depth, we look a lot at the 4 levels of learning and processing when it comes to one on one work. And you've probably I've probably already even mentioned it here before. I wanna take a look today at what the 4 levels of learning and processing are
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in the context of group work.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So most practitioners.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): unless they have knowledge of what we're about to look at for the next couple of minutes. apply to their work only one level of what I call learning and processing.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But when you apply only one level
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and the breakthroughs, the processing, the transformation can only go so far.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): We wanna be thinking
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for any
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): piece of information or or staff
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): of our thought leadership that we're sharing in our curriculum. We want to think about activating at least 2 levels
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): of learning and processing.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay, so what are they?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): The first is the one where most people hang out.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And also there are some programs. The first one is the mental level of learning and processing the cognitive level.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And what I want to say is, first.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): every course is going to
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): have a predominant feel of one of the 4 levels like the what you're teaching and the results that you're looking to create
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): are going to go a little heavier on one of the 4.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So that's okay. We're not looking for an equal balance of the 4 life changing courses. This, this training is a perfect example. This training, more than any of my other trainings.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): is focused mostly on mental learning and processing.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): We get to the other levels for sure. But we focus mostly on the cognitive.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So particularly when you're leading a group.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): even if your work is very experiential and magical, or energy based or somatic based.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): It's still very helpful to harness the learning on the mental or the cognitive level.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): If you don't like, even if your whole course is about Reiki, right? And experiencing Reiki as an example, you still want
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to activate the cognitive level. In some cases, if you don't.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): it has the potential to leave participants feeling confused or being misinformed.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Because when we activate the cognitive level on any piece of information.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what we are essentially doing is creating mental awareness, creating cognitive awareness.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): mental based either presentation or processing exercises.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Allow your your participants to hook onto new ideas onto new cognitive awarenesses and on to new solutions.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): cognitive or mental based exercises. And, by the way, exercises can activate more than one level right? Not just the cognitive
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): but exercises that include the cognitive.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Help your participants articulate in words
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what their desires are. what their needs are.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what their fears are.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what their next steps are.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So when it comes to curriculum
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): when you're in a mental or a cognitive processing mode. When when you you are activating the mental level. you mean doing a number of different things. And I'm going to give you some examples right now.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): number one, presenting information like, I'm doing right now, right? Traditional teaching, speaking.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Sometimes when you present information, you can also activate other levels like the heart level, etc., right? But it it activates the the cognitive
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): journaling exercises activate
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the cognitive. They can also touch the heart and spirit levels as well. Even the somatic sometimes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But generally you're gonna use journaling exercises to support participants again, to articulate in words.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): their desires, their needs, their fears, their next steps.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): brainstorming exercises.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): any kinds of exercises where there's exchange of ideas within the group or mind mapping
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that's going to activate the cognitive
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): level.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Another example is strategizing any kind of strategizing exercise teaching people how to strategize. etc.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): That's going to activate the cognitive level
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that make sense.
Okay.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): so most
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): courses or programs or workshops
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): only activate
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the cognitive level.
Hmm.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you want to go deeper than that.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You want to consider also activating the emotional level of learning and processing.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): By the way, for those of you that are students of the earth and the elements. Like, I am. The cognitive level corresponds to the element of air.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and then the emotional level of learning and pro processing corresponds to the element of fire.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So this level of learning and processing. When you don't move your participants, your students, through the emotional level.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): they might leave your course
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): with good information.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): but they're not feeling the passion in their hearts
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to go deeper, to follow through on what they've learned to take action.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): That's because it's not enough for human beings to simply learn through their intellect.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): learning facts, or coming to cognitive understandings, is a good, important, and a good foundation.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But in order to begin to create through and long lasting transformation and deeper breakthroughs.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You want to create exercises or an environment that speaks to the emotional level
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): so that the learning permeates
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): their feelings and activates their hearts. Right? We want. We don't only want people's minds committed to a result or committed to working through a fear or committed to a strategy. We want their hearts
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): committed as well.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And so, Kalida, that's why, for me, I call the emotional the element of fire, because it's it's also about the fire and the passion
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in the heart.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So some examples in a group setting of activating the heart level, the emotional level of learning and processing.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): storytelling, right storytelling where emotion comes through and passion comes through, and their highs and their lows right, that that mirror human experience
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that's going to activate
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the heart level, the emotional level. Even when I'm not telling stories. You notice how I modulate my voice a lot. I go in and out. Part of that is, if I'm doing something cognitive mostly. But II still want to activate the heart right? So I'm even in my facilitation. I'm thinking about, how can I activate the heart
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and the emotions?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Any kind of exercises that include the heart? Right? Feeling into your heart? What does your heart desire? What does your heart want to say? Follow the desires of the heart right at anything like that that's going to activate the emotional level
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): of learning and processing any kind of
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): exercise where participants can feel any emotion.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): anger. grief. excitement. love. desire.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): discussed, etc. Any type of exercise that is going to support participants.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to lean in to an emotion is activating the emotional level.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Any kind of heart opening experience.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I should also say the Virgo and me wants each of these levels of learning and processing to have hard lines around them. But there's crossover, too. Right? So it's not
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): neat boxes, but it's still good to be aware.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'm gonna go through the other 2, and then we'll have time to kind of go deeper and and process and see what's coming up for you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay. Spiritual level of learning and processing.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You want to consider having
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): saw an exercise, at least an exercise or or something that you share. that will help your participants open up
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to receive on the spiritual level.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): because
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): when a human doesn't connect in
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): well, let me explain what I mean by spiritual level of learning and processing. First, I'm not talking about necessarily anything religious or necessarily God or necessarily
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Spirit.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Whether or not you're a spiritual teacher or believer. Right.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): This is about
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): connecting in to something that is bigger or higher
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): than the client's mind and ego.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Some people would say, God, that that's God. Some people would say, earth, energy, ancestors, intuition, higher wisdom.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Buddha. Right? Wh, whatever that is, you and you have to name it even as any of those things.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): but
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): when human beings are able to connect in
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to something that they believe is a force that is bigger than just them.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Trust is cultivated
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in the wisdom and the motivation that comes through
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): from that bigger source.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Does that make sense?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): This is this is really really important, because sometimes
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): we'll come up with an idea, and it might be good right? We might get excited about it. But we don't necessarily trust that new idea, or that new desire, or that new piece of wisdom, or that right, whatever it is.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But when we believe, when we see that some of that is coming through from something bigger. That's when the trust in it gets cultivated, and then we're motivated to act on it
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and to change.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So this is can be as simple as higher truths right? And you have all asked me here. You've all here heard me ask a question. What is a higher truth about a limiting belief? For example, right?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Or what is it that you know spirit would really want you to know about your curriculum? Right? We do this in our get it done. Sessions as well. Right? So it can be as simple as that. As simple as
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you know. You've just taught something, or your group has just come. They've each answered for themselves. What they want to do next
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): can be as simple as then. Just asking the question. tap into a higher wisdom. What is the higher. What is the higher wisdom on this?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What does your intuition want you to know about this right, etc.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You can activate
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): spirit level through meditation
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): through visualization.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You can activate spirit level through movement.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Dan saying, we can also activate what we're going to look at next the somatic level that way.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): S groups singing together. Why do so many religions have singing right in synagogue and church, and right wherever in mosque, wherever it is.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): it's because
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): when people sing together.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Not only do they connect to each other their hearts in train. This is scientifically proven when people sing together, their hearts start to beat in unison.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But that spirit level opens up. They feel more a connection
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to something bigger
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): than they are
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): activating. The spirit level of learning and processing in a group can look like leading through an exercise where people dialogue with spirit or higher wisdom, or higher power or earth energy.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): any types of intuition exercises.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay? And then. so that that was the element of water.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And then finally, element of earth, you wanna look to sometimes activate
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the physical or the body or the somatic
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): level of learning and processing.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): This is about supporting participants.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to know how they feel in their body about something. Again, this can have crossover with emotional or spirit as well right
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): but to be able to to receive breakthroughs as well as move towards transformation
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): by feeling in their body, by sealing in new feelings and energies that get created through exercises in their body, so that they can come back to body memory
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in their everyday life of a new idea of feeling regulated in the face of fear, of heart opening, etc., etc.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): When we consciously
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): experience something in our body.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and then can make a body memory of it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): we can more easily come back to that experience or to that practice.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So just some examples on activating the body level any kind of ritual, right? So I think you all know I'm trained as a ritualist. I love
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): ritual also from my Jewish tradition we have. So there's so many rituals. I came to to love it already. Then
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): one of the reasons why any kind of ritual action is so potent and so powerful is because through a ritual
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): we are making
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): an untangle, thought. feeling, desire
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): tangible.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So, for example.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): one of thousands of examples on ritual.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): if you, if if your group has each set an intention around. You know, whatever the thing that you're all doing together.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): have them write a word of that intention on a rock right? That's an example of a ritual intention. You're making the intangible tangible.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): If you've done a teaching.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and maybe some kind of exercise around collective grief
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): after losing a child.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Think about a ritual. Is there? A belief, then
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): we never really let go of the grief right? But is there a belief that is blocking
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): each person in the room that hasn't allowed them to grieve the way they wanna grieve? Can they? Can they take salt and infuse that belief that's not supporting them into the salt, and then let it go into the water. Can they burn something off?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Etc., etc.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Other ideas for physical or or body. level learning and processing.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What? Anything to do with the body? Right? So any kind of movement dancing, what does that feel like in your body, etc.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Art making right? We're we're using our hands when we're making art. There is not only a semantic experience of making art. But then we have a physical representation of what we made, you know. Maybe it was a sculpture that represents a fear or a drawing that represents a desire or a vision board, etc.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Any kind of action taking
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): activates the somatic level so as an example are, get it done. Sessions where you are coming, and you are actually
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in the container, taking action on your curriculum. Not only is that moving your curriculum forward, but you're making a body, memory of what it feels like to be in flow or partially in flow. You're not totally in right. And so any type of
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and homework
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that invites people to take action, any kind of practice. Right? If you're teaching meditation, feeling that practice over and over, taking action on it in sacred depths and advanced steps. When we practice
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): with partners
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): techniques that we're learning. One of the things that's doing is activating a body on the body level, a memory of what it feels like to be leading that tech.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So, as I said. every step and every course is gonna have its own right balance of these 4 levels.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): advanced steps. For example, we do a lot of cognitive because you need a lot of cognitive understanding about shadow, but
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): there's so much in advance that is about somatic and spirit and heart right? So everything is going to have its own fit. its own balance.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay, let me ask you some questions on this, so we can go a little bit deeper.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Which of the 4 levels are you most comfortable with?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): It's comfortable with all of them that's great from our delete, cognitive?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yep, seeing a lot of cognitive, emotional, spiritual, beautiful.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Which of the 4 do you maybe hold back on
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): a little bit.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): or maybe avoid altogether
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): whatever you hold back on or avoid. Take a moment with this.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): How come? Why. maybe there's some beliefs that you have around it, or around yourself when it comes to it. Why do you hold back?
Kellita Maloof: Can can I share out loud? Yeah, absolutely. I was just about to ask for shares. So you're right on time. I think I hold back on cognitive because of.
Kellita Maloof: I'm so aware of in my experience and in experience of
Kellita Maloof: others, from my vantage that
Kellita Maloof: cognitive well, it can be used in a really helpful way
Kellita Maloof: that often it's used in cognitive
Kellita Maloof: and emphasis, teaching and guiding can actually on purpose keep
Kellita Maloof: the other
Kellita Maloof: realms off limits and make it feel like we're really making a lot of
Kellita Maloof: progress.
Kellita Maloof: It just it just how it's how it's been handled in.
Kellita Maloof: Yeah, that that that's the reason. So I. And that's the way that we're most often taught.
Kellita Maloof: And the others are so impoverished in general in teaching that I think I over emphasize on bringing that. But I do see how just lifting it up a little. That's one of the reasons I'm in. This course is to lift it up a little. Yeah, that's right. And for your work it shouldn't be lifted a lot. It is. That little bit is gonna make a big difference right? So I love that. Yes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): thank you. Thank you for sharing Kelly.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): Yeah, I'm I was just reflecting on this because this weekend I had like laid out all my notes and the curriculum, and trying to map it out and take it apart and put it back together. And I finished. And I was like this really feels
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): still too heady. And I realize
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): that because of who I have been working with and where I've been given space to speak, and because the cognitive piece has been so praised
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): that I feel like I'm always trying to squeeze the emotional and somatic and and spiritual types it for pieces in
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): and it's really important to have that balance. But I actually like those more. But I realize because I'm talking to people who. while Zoom is seeing something weird to me.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): Can you understand me? It's asking if I'm speaking Spanish?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Oh, no.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): but yeah, I just I'm I'm realizing that I feel a little bit of hesitance
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): in, in
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): jumping in, in the ways that I want more, even though it's totally what I'm teaching is about being embodied. But I infuse it almost on the down low because of who I'm talking with.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah. So what have we learned here already that can help you with that.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): Yeah. Just that.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): I mean, I see it all the time, like they learn better when they do these other things, and that's what people say they love is like getting to
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): excuse me. Experience experience things on different levels. I think what I've what I'm learning is, I need to give myself more permission from next. We're not lacking in the information.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So the permission and then what I would say is, remember pre qualifying precon contact, you know, is everything speaking to resistance can create so much permission, right? So to say.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I tend to hang out in the cognitive, because I know you are all so smart and such smartypants, and you love information, and you love content. And I promise you you will get a lot of content.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): That being said, here's what I also know is so important for you, right? Particularly you in the room. You can describe them, and that is why we are going to right, and then so II would. If it's helpful for you to give yourself permission, Kelly, and also to bring everybody else on board with you, I would speak to it right, really.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and speak to it. Great. Thank you so much for that. Thank you. Heather. And Emily.
Heather and Emily: So yeah, we were.
Heather and Emily: speaking similarly, that if you don't integrate, you know the 4 levels you're not going to bypass that resistance that already exists in that.
Heather and Emily: So by. You know I love what you said about like naming it and normalizing it at the beginning.
Heather and Emily: because that way
Heather and Emily: the clients or the students are already prepared to go deeper than the cognitive level, because I think oftentimes people stay in the cognitive cause. That's this this quote unquote, safe space.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Absolutely absolutely so the naming, the normalizing, the speaking to resistance
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): at the beginning. And then again throughout.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Sometimes, as you're about to go into something deeper that activates the other levels, because people need reminders and normalization
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): throughout
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): good Annelise.
Annelise Pesa: So this is really helpful. Because I was thinking before, okay, he was talking like, Oh, this lawyer is so well, you know I'm one. But yeah.
Annelise Pesa: are so against any spiritual or emotional. They just want cognitive. But then II remembered what you said about the different steps and naming resistance, and and actually, as you said, you know, naming it throughout it so so important, because that will it will allow. That is already, I think, an an opening exercise.
Annelise Pesa: My question, though, is, how
Annelise Pesa: am I going to be trauma? Informed with the emotion of anger and grief, and so on.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So that's a very big question, and we'll get to when we get to facilitation. We'll we'll look more at that. But you know, for now a couple of things. So first of all, Annelise, you've been through sacred deaths.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Every
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): piece of sacred depth is dripping with how to activate you. You know how to do this in trauma, informed ways. So I know for sure, without a doubt, like I, I'm not. I have no concern whatsoever
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for you to do it. And then the other thing I'll just say for now is
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the level of depth isn't the right word, because you can always go really, really deep, no matter what.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But the amount of leaning into emotion that you're gonna do is gonna be directly related to how tight or loose a container is, and how tight or loose a container is depends on a number of things, including how many people are in the group, how well they know each other, sit online, is it in person, etc.? So as you create your exercises, I can also take a look
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and like
Annelise Pesa: good question, thank you. Thank you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Thank you. And I am excited for you to to help lawyers get out of the cognitive.
Heather and Emily: I'm gonna send you what? What?
Heather and Emily: Sorry it's this is Heather and Emily and we were just talking about how often time lawyers just see, you know the charge or the crime this person committed, and they don't think about. This is a whole person who has experience, trauma and
Heather and Emily: harmful situations. And so
Heather and Emily: I just I find your training really interesting with lawyers and the whole
Heather and Emily: legal system, and how broken it is, and
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): of that, especially from your end of things. It's like so beautiful.
Annelise Pesa: Thank you so much for saying that.
Heather and Emily: Yes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): great David.
Deva Munay: Sarah Hansen. Yeah, I am just. I'm kind of the opposite of Annelise that I work with more feeling-type people, and I think my struggle is.
Deva Munay: I think I need to do the cognitive, and then II just pack way too much in, and then I don't go as deep as I would like to on any of them. And so I what I'm finding is
just how to have the right balance of each of these. so that
Deva Munay: they're interwoven, and
Deva Munay: take the curriculum
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): as deep as possible. Yeah, I love that. I feel like you have. This is great awareness. You have a great prescription for yourself right there. I think for your work, David
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): cognitive is never gonna be the biggest because sound healing, you know. It's not supposed to be but similar to Kalida, you know. Just a a little bit more, and then you've got the less is more there and then. Also you know what Barbara is saying in the chat. I separated them out, so I want us to understand each of them as as their own entity.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But a lot of you know, a lot of exercises are the way a course fits into each other's gonna end up activating all 4. We just wanna be aware of it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So I'm excited to see you take out a little more and also activate more of the cognitive.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): okay.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): we're gonna shift gears
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): kind of look at a different. So that's one way to look at thought leadership going deeper with thought, leadership to think about exercises.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And now this is where things are. Gonna get a little more like, I said, disorganized. So go with me. first.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I want to share this. even if
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): your work is very little on the cognitive.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): One of the things that I have found, no matter what the work is.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): is It is almost always almost always important on the cognitive level to define your terms and concepts.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): define your terms and concepts. So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what I mean by this is, it's important to both. Give definitions of terms, cognitive definitions of terms and concepts that you're using
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): as well as to give examples
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): so that there's clarity so that everybody is on the same page
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in terms of the concepts that you're speaking about.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): or the ideas that you're speaking about, and that doesn't mean that there isn't room for people to have their own definition on those things as well. But but you still want to take a little time to define terms and concepts. So if you are talking about business growth.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): define what that means. If you're talking about hormonal health. define what that means. If you're talking about
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): sexuality, define what that means. If you're talking about amazing sex, define what that means.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): If you're talking, if you're using the term stress free. or maybe one of your steps in your work is, learn how to be stress free.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Define what that means to you. It is
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): probably so obvious. But if you're not already doing it, it's like this is part of the slowdown process. You don't want to skip over
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): defining what something means
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and giving some examples.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for example, speaking of examples, let's say, one of the steps in your program
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): is.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): find your communication style right? That that's a that's a piece of your thought leadership that you're teaching. Find your communication style.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): so you can do this in in long form or short form. But I'll give you like the full if you really wanted to go into fully defining the term and concept of. Find your communication style. These are some of the things you would talk about.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What do you mean by communication style. Right? What does that even mean?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Why is finding your communication style important for the people in the course?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What's the impact of your communicate? What the impact of your communication style is on your life and work. Right? That's one of the reasons why it might be important. It impacts your life and work.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What happens when you have a mismatched communication style, or a misaligned communication style.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and then you might give examples of different communication, styles curious, aggressive, light-hearted right, whatever it is
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that make sense.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Just this little piece alone. It can go so far. so so far.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay, Courtney, I'm glad I've just flown your mind and solved a major problem. Yay, examples. Yes, and I love to give like a a range just like I did before business growth, romantic, right? Amazing. Set all the the people can find themselves in examples that you can.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): so now we're gonna talk about what I call the pathways
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): or the entry points.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and this is where it can get a little confusing.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for any course, for any topic and for any step in your hero's journey there are probably a dozen different
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): half ways in to that stuff
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): or entryway points in to that step.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And I wanna spend most of the rest of our time today.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): sharing with you a couple of different
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): pathways or entry points that can be applied
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to a vast, a range of vast range of thought. Leadership steps
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the the approaches or the the pathways or the entry points that I'm gonna share. It's not exhaustive. There's so many. But I'm gonna share some of the ones that I know that I have seen
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): over many, many years that can help create depth
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): on any one step
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): or piece of information. It can help you slow down
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): your information as well
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): as we start to look at these
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): pathways. A couple of things. Number one. Hopefully, this discussion is gonna inspire you to also think about different pathways approaches for your material
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): number 2, just like the 4 levels of learning and processing. You can mix and match these. They don't have to stay separate.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And these can be applied to any of the 4 levels of learning and processing. I'll I'll show you some ways how
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And then I think just the other thing I want to say before we go in. I've said this before, but I want to say it again.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): just like we have an overarching journey for our course.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): or workshop, or retreat, whatever it is.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I want to continue to remind you to see each of your steps
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): as a mini journey within the bigger journey. So as you're continuing to develop your curriculum and add everything all the things that we're looking at today.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I want you to think about what is the mini journey of a particular step? Right? So we've been, we looked at find your communication style. We're gonna continue to use that as an example right now, right? But even if find your communication style is one step
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in a bigger course.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): let's say the course is about creating better relationships in your life and work
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): even within the find, your communication style. There is a mini journey that you want to take your hero on, just to be able to find their communication style and then move on to the next step of creating a better relation. Better relationships? Does that make sense
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what I'm saying?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): so here is one possible pathway or approach. Oh, and I forgot.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'm not good at creating slides. So I didn't create slides. But
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I created a little visual because I think it will. How?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay? So we're gonna look at different pathways. And we're gonna
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): folks hone in on a this thing, this methodology step.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): find your communication style.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So the first halfway.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): or approach that you can think about
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): is what I call
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the positive underpinning
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and foundation.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So what this means is any
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): piece of content or staff that you're teaching to go deeper with it. you can approach it through the positive underpinnings of it. In other words.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what is it about this asking the participants.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what is it about this thing that you really want? What is it about this thing that you really desire? What is the ultimate vision
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): of this piece of content for you?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So if we use this example of find your communication style if we're going to approach it
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): through this pathway, the positive underpinning, what is it that you really want? You're gonna help your participants find their communication style
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): by helping them vision what they really want
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): by way of communication.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You can do this through different exercises.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But you you might want to think about putting some of the following questions into those exercises. And these are just examples.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what are your top 5 values when it comes to communicating with others. Can you see how that can help someone get to their ideal vision or their ideal desire when it comes to communication style?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Why are these your top 5 values?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What are the things that are most important to you when it comes to communication? What do you want most
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): when it comes to communicating with others.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): How do you most want to feel when you communicate with others? That's a little bit of that emotional level? Right? How do you want to feel
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): or close your eyes. Notice, you know. Notice the best interaction you can have with your mother. How does it feel right?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Where are the places you sense you communicate the best. How are you communicating in those relationships? What are your communications trying?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Right? So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'm not saying, you ask all of these questions.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But this is an example of if you wanted to approach
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): a topic
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): through, and a positive underpinning, this is one way
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): it could look now, all of these questions that I asked. They're they're mostly cognitive level.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You could continue on this topic of find your communication style through this positive underpinning and go deeper and activate other levels. So, for example.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you could do an inner dialogue where
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you lead your participants to vision what their inner master or aligned communicator is right, like that archetype. And then dialogue with the aligned communicator on communication style.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You could lead clients through a heart connection. Meditation. Ask these same questions. But instead, you know, with maybe eyes closed with open heart.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you could do an exercise where participants visualize being in a conversation with somebody. They have trouble communicating with.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and then ask them, what values would you want to bring to this conversation?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Who do you want to be in this conversation?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What is the ideal way of of
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): communicating here?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): If you had them in the room with you, you could activate the body level by having them step into their inner master communicator or aligned communicator. Have them walk around the room. You could do this online, too, right? Feel into their bodies. What does it feel like when you are full in your highest communication. What is this part of you believe right? What is the energy? What are the movements that it makes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): There's so many other things you could do here hundreds of things you could do. These are just some ideas.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So let me pause here.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What's sparking for you around this first kind of entryway or pathway into a piece of content.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Jackie.
Jennifer Rose Gens: I am realizing
Jennifer Rose Gens: that
Jennifer Rose Gens: I'm trying to get a lot into my program.
Jennifer Rose Gens: And yet
Jennifer Rose Gens: there needs to be more space.
Jennifer Rose Gens: Like, for instance, just with this exact
Jennifer Rose Gens: example.
Jennifer Rose Gens: II want to put on people's radars nonviolent communication, because it's really helped me.
Jennifer Rose Gens: but I'm realizing to even go there. It would be nice to even talk about like well, why and what are your but you know exactly what you just showed us.
Jennifer Rose Gens: It's like, Oh, that's gonna need more space.
Jennifer Rose Gens: And how?
Jennifer Rose Gens: Yeah, it's just
Jennifer Rose Gens: it really is about my values and slowing down and to slow down and go into these deeper.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): not wider places. Yeah, that's right, that's part. And I'm seeing some of that in the chat, too, like this it right to to start. And there's lots of different. We'll look at a bunch of different pathways today. You don't have to do all of them, and there's so many more. But when we start to think about these different approaches, it helps us slow down. It helps us connect the dots. It helps us go deeper instead of wider.
Jennifer Rose Gens: So with what you just showed us, would that be
Jennifer Rose Gens: just a part of a.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): It depends on how long your program is, and how much time you have. Right? So I mean, as you could see, even just with that you could extend that out to a full day, or you could compress that to 45 min. Right? You you. It just depends on the time that you have and how far you want to go into it. You could do just one of the exercises I mentioned like the journaling sequence, those questions in the beginning.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Or you could
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): do you know, multiple exercises, like some of the examples that I shared. It really just depends on the timing that you have and what you're doing with your, you know, in your program. The thing that I want to point out for everybody is that no matter what exercise as a group, you ever do.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): always leave integration time.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So just like we looked at the bigger journey of a course right before you're done with a course you wanna do some integration exercises same with any exercise, whether it's journaling, whether it's a visualization, whether it's a ritual, a walk around whatever it is, have time afterwards for people to either share in the group or share in smaller groups what came through what's feeling important, or at least to to write it down.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Courtney.
Courtney Reed-Marsh (they/them): So the Aha! That I'm having right now, or the the sort of like reframe.
Courtney Reed-Marsh (they/them): But I'm really grateful for it is just, you know. Obviously we don't all
Courtney Reed-Marsh (they/them): access knowing or make meaning in the same ways.
Courtney Reed-Marsh (they/them): And
Courtney Reed-Marsh (they/them): This is so helpful to me to to like, step back and be intentional about baking in multiple different
Courtney Reed-Marsh (they/them): avenues of entry into meaning making
Courtney Reed-Marsh (they/them): for me. I'm I'm one of those people who like. I absolutely see the different categories.
Courtney Reed-Marsh (they/them): but I experienced them very much as, like
Courtney Reed-Marsh (they/them): all like consecutive and and interwoven with each other, and I can be a very high concept person in how I
Courtney Reed-Marsh (they/them): try to express and communicate my own meaning, making process in a way that's totally nonlinear inside of myself, not just cognitively, but like
Courtney Reed-Marsh (they/them): somatically and spiritually and and and emotionally, and all of it. That for
Courtney Reed-Marsh (they/them): the people who are like me it lands in a way that's really potent, and for the people who aren't like me can be like Whoa! What?
Courtney Reed-Marsh (they/them): So this just feels really exciting for me, because one of the things that I struggle with is like, how do I make? How do I make what to me is really important and really
Courtney Reed-Marsh (they/them): this like.
Courtney Reed-Marsh (they/them): I don't want to just break things down into like the the most rudimentary bullet points, you know, to to sort of make things easy to access in that way, because then it loses the actual meaning and the potency.
Courtney Reed-Marsh (they/them): But how do I make it coherent to people whose
Courtney Reed-Marsh (they/them): who's knowing what works differently than mine does? And so this feels like the key to that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in a way that I'm just super excited about. So thank you so much. You're so welcome. I'm I'm excited for you. I feel your excitement. I can't wait to see what's gonna come from it. And I just love how you articulated to that. It does then allow people who don't process the way that the practitioner process or teacher processes to have entry way in.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Good. Thank you. Robin. I'm so excited that some Aha's are coming through annelise
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): it depends when analyst is asking, When is the best time? It just it. It depends again how much time you have, but everything I just shared after for me. If I was leading it, like, after I defined the concepts. At first, II would go into that and into some of that exercise.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay, now
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): we're gonna keep on going. And this is I don't want people to get confused like I said, I'm trying to relay. This is in an organized way as possible. I'm gonna share now a different pathway
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): into any piece of content or most pieces of content.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You can choose to do this pathway instead of the one I just shared, or another one, or mix and match any of the pathways.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So let me share my screen again.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): so pathway number 2, I call
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): understanding your yes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): by first understanding your No.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Sometimes, in order to get into a piece of content. the best way to do it is for people to first get clear
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): on what they don't want around it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So the first way was, we're getting clear on what we do want. First.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the second way is getting clear on what we don't want. So if we're still gonna use this example of find your communication style
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for this pathway, we would help participants find their communication style
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): by helping them articulate how they don't
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): want to communicate.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So some of the cognitive questions around this might be, What do you know you don't want when it comes to communicating with others right? Because sometimes we don't know what we want.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But we really know what we don't want. And so we start from there? Why.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): how do you know you don't? How do you know you don't want to feel when you communicate with others?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What's least important to you when it comes to communicating
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what kinds of communication with others in the past have been misaligned for you? Why.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what are the places and with which people do tend to get frustrated when it comes to communicating
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what's not working for you
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): when it comes to communication. Right? These are just examples. There are others. But I'm sharing them to show a pathway in where you're starting with what you don't want.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): From there
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): 4 levels of learning and processing. You can have people draw what it feels like when they know that they're not communicating effectively and then analyze the drawing. That's part of the in integration, right?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You could set up an exercise where first people draw what it feels like when they're not communicating effectively and analyze it, and then from there, draw what it feels like if you, when you are communicating
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): effectively that was one example of then bringing it to a different level
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): of learning and processing.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So let's
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): let's play with it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And I'd love to for someone to share
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what's one of the steps on your hero's journey, and let's see if we can apply not every step is going to apply to each of these pathways that I'm sharing. But let's see what we can apply
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): so far to a staff. So who'd like to share what's one of the steps on your hero's journey.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Kathy?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You're on mute, Kathy.
Cathy Norris: One of my steps is identify your emotions
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): identify your emotions. Beautiful? Okay, so let's come back
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to this. And by the way, I see in the chat E, everybody is gonna get a much prettier resource sheet than this. Most of you are. Gonna have it in your member center for those of you that have been getting the resource sheets via email, because you're just getting the first couple of weeks of the program. You'll get it via email.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay? Sorry, Kathy, tell me again what the step is, identify your emotions, identify your emotions. Okay, so one way that Kathy
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): could come into this topic is by helping people. But the first pathway helping people identify their emotions by looking at what they really want.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So, Kathy.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you tell us, what are some questions you might ask people for this pathway?
Cathy Norris: It's it's challenging me to think of how to ask.
Cathy Norris: I mean, like, Okay, so what do you want
Cathy Norris: in regards to your emotions? I do have. And it's even the previous step is identify is, is
Cathy Norris: what were you taught about emotions? So what are your beliefs?
Cathy Norris: They're they're actually articulating. Third pathway.
Cathy Norris: the negative connotations about emotions. So now, now, okay, so what are so? And and I will say that after we went through this, because I've already done this
Cathy Norris: on the
Cathy Norris: in a smaller program, and it's like, after I teach them. Then I know right before same thing. I asked them, what's the benefit? But that's still not the same as simply, what what do you want? So again, you can mix and match and beliefs
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and fears. We're gonna get to that next. But I love that you're asking that with. Identify your emotions. If you were to bring some of the flavor of this into it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you might ask a question or or do an exercise around? what?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What are some of the emotions that you like the most? When do you feel them?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What are the scenarios that they get activated.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): How do? How does it feel when you're experiencing? etc.? Does that make sense?
Cathy Norris: It does? And I was.
Cathy Norris: I also thought when you started giving those I thought of.
Cathy Norris: I thought of what do you wish you could communicate? But that's different, isn't it? That's more. That's not the positive. Your your goal is, that is what do you wish? Absolutely, you wish you could
Cathy Norris: communicate more often. Or. yeah, if you're doing communication style if we're sticking with identify communication style. But
Cathy Norris: no, I'm not II I'm not. I didn't know I started getting into express, though I do talk we do talk about expressing.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So it's just you could add to what you already have, like one of those questions that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I just shared. Or when is it?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): How do you want to feel about all of your emotions, the full range of them? Right? Because maybe people have trouble identifying their emotions because they like happy. But they don't like grief.
Cathy Norris: Right? Right?
Cathy Norris: Yeah. If you were to
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): add a taste of understanding your yes, by understanding your no.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you might have a little bit of an exploration around.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Where you know.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Where. Don't you like identifying with your emotions? Where? Where are the places where you
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): cut yourself off. You know what which are the relationships or the scenarios where you cut yourself off.
Hmm!
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): As an example, right? So one is coming in from the positive. And one is coming in from the negative. We kind we have to use, you know, you're gonna adapt it for every topic. But does that make sense?
Cathy Norris: Yeah. I have
Cathy Norris: already incorporated. What a motion do you
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): find yourself avoiding, or do you? Yes, that would be another great question on. If you were, gonna add some of this.
Cathy Norris: Yeah.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And right again, it slows the topic down. It helps people get deeper to understand the fullness of the topic
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that you're looking at.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Great. Thank you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Any one else wanna share what's popping for you before we keep on going.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Data.
Deva Munay: Yeah, this is is just super helpful of looking at with sound. I'm looking at frequencies, and so looking at like what are the dominant frequencies that you experience?
Deva Munay: Where do they shift, and being able to kind of just interchange the wording
Deva Munay: with these questions and looking at embodiment practices and slowing it down.
Deva Munay: so that people really have that felt body
Deva Munay: experience and giving examples of you know, what does embodiment mean? And how can we embody and be more conscious of the frequencies that we hold in our bodies. And how do they affect our relationships?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah, yes. And even what? Asking each person, what
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): would ideal embodiment mean for you?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You know. What? What would that look like for you in your life? What would you really want that to be
Deva Munay: that beautiful? Yes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Jen.
Jennifer Rose Gens: that was a beautiful question. I
Jennifer Rose Gens: had a question about this.
Jennifer Rose Gens: This precluding. I mentioned the Nvc. And
Jennifer Rose Gens: going going deep.
create space
Jennifer Rose Gens: in terms of you know. Nvc, going over nonviolent communication that's more cognitive. And then, of course, like bringing them into these different styles of learning.
Jennifer Rose Gens: Would you suggest
Jennifer Rose Gens: doing some of these questions something like before to kind of set them up and open
Jennifer Rose Gens: their hearts and minds to it? Or would you like present the material, and then and then ask these questions.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So some of this like, for we'll use Nvc, since we're using it as an example, it's so it's great to look at what people really want and what people really don't want by way of communication before going into teaching the Nvc, because it's gonna make them that much more invested in wanting to learn.
Jennifer Rose Gens: Yeah, for sure. Okay. Cool
Jennifer Rose Gens: fun. Exciting stuff.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Tara.
Tara Sage: Very much. Half baked thoughts.
Tara Sage: survival mode. A big part of what my program is about is
Tara Sage: shifting from a space where survival mode is a primary mode of operation to what I call thrival mode
Tara Sage: and that
Tara Sage: transition happens on all 4 of those
Tara Sage: levels that you spoke of. And so I'm just
Tara Sage: opening myself up for questions that your brilliance has at the tip of your tongue about tapping into the awareness of where survival mode
Tara Sage: is happening. through a journaling or somatic
Tara Sage: dropping in.
Tara Sage: and then I can, I think I can easily from there craft how to have the kind of the other side of that column, the thrival mode vision
Tara Sage: come into focus. So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): wondering if yeah. Yeah. So first, just to review some of the things we've looked at for you and everyone, you would wanna define the concepts right? Define survival mode to find thriving mode and give different examples. Even have people in the group ask them for their own. You know examples on it
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): as well.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): For the survival piece.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): is it online? It is online, the program. I knew that.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'm thinking, actually, for the survival piece. an entry way would be what we're gonna look at next, which is about
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): fears
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and like fear is unlimiting belief.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So it could be. And I know you're gonna get into fear, their their light, their fears and limiting beliefs in in their lives.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But in order to understand their survival mode more I'm wondering about
Tara Sage: fears and judgments that they've put on themselves. For when they've been in survival mode. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, it's not to in any way demonize survival mode. It has a very helpful, clear function. And and I've created from it, and successfully many ways.
Tara Sage: but getting conscious of that.
Tara Sage: appreciating it, but also recognizing its limitations and a desire to
Tara Sage: bring our nervous systems into a place where we thrive.
Tara Sage: Yeah, it's so so beautiful. And
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you know.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): with survival mode. I think I'm I'm going a little deeper into this. I think this will be helpful for everyone, and addresses some of the questions about trauma informed before, and all of that you're not gonna unless you have a very small tight group. You're not gonna lead people into what it feels like to be into survival mode, because it's hard to hold that and track that right. But an exercise that you could do just one example of many
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): is, have people write a story
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): about a time where they were in survival mode.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah, what it felt like and how it felt in their body, and what they were thinking and how they were relating to themselves, and then what the outcome was.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Because the writing, the story still keeps it safe, but it helps get into the depth and the richness of UN understanding more, how they function when they're
Tara Sage: is that helpful to think about? That's great. Yeah. Putting it in a past tense makes so much sense.
Tara Sage: Right? Right? Thank you.
Good.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay. we're gonna keep on going.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And look at a couple of other ideas
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for pathways
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): like I said, the next one is understanding your beliefs. and you're limiting beliefs and your fears. So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): if we're still using this case, study of find your communication style in this approach. we'd help our participants find their communication style
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): by first helping them understand what their beliefs and fears around communication are right. We can learn a lot about ourselves by looking at our beliefs and our fears around any
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): topic.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for example, what did you learn from your parents or guardians about communication? What did they model for you? What did you learn from your religion or your community or your teachers, good or bad, right, positive or negative.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): about communication? This is gonna right? These questions will help people see into what their beliefs and fears are around communication. What are you scared of losing or risking? If you were to truly know what your aligned communication style is, and step into it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What excuses would you need to stop making if you were to step fully into your aligned communication style.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What possibilities would open for you if you were to step in
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): now you could do this cognitively, like questions or journaling, as I just mentioned. Or you could do this activating other levels. So for those of you that have been through sacred depths.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you could do a befriend your fear around
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): communication.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and being in your Ali aligned communication style, or a rewiring or help people look at a wheel of self sabotage or their res resistance, archetype specifically on this topic right? Everybody here, whether you've been through sacred depths or not, I know you all have different tools to be able to work with fears, beliefs resistance. So you can apply them to specific topics in your curriculum
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that make sense.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): is it helpful? When I do the case studies like with Kathy and Tara for somebody to toss one of their steps in
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and for us to see how it might fit with this.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay, so who?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Who wants to share Annelise.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what's one of your steps?
Annelise Pesa: so okay, so let's say that.
Annelise Pesa: one of my stats.
Annelise Pesa: is managing stress.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Great.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay? So in that there's gonna be that's one of the steps within your bigger journey. And I assume that somewhere in that step
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you're gonna give them actual tools for managing their stress.
Annelise Pesa: Right?
Annelise Pesa: Yeah. And I and I just started to interrupt Joanna. I also do this workshop a lot for lawyers on a one off basis. And my question is
Annelise Pesa: and and but that's obviously a separate question. But it's connected. How much?
Annelise Pesa: Why do in 1 h?
Annelise Pesa: How am I? How many levels can I cover? You can hit all 4 levels in 1 h. You really can. Because
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): just think about cause you've been through sacred depths. Think about the befriend, your fear exercise that hits all 4 levels all at once.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): right? The rewiring technique.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): It hits all 4 levels at once. So it doesn't have to be a separate exercise for each.
Annelise Pesa: Right?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay, so this is great. Let's use this as an example. So manage your stress. Stress is one of Annelise's steps.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and she also knows that part of the mini journey of this manager stress step. She's gonna be teaching some actual like tools, right? That they can do to manage their stress.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): however. for her ideal client lawyers, and also for many other people.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): they be ready to just say, Yeah, I want to manage my stress.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): That's because for as much as everybody wants to manage their stress.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): if they believe
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that they need to be stressed out.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So in order to be successful. You can teach them every tation technique in the book. They're not gonna use it. They're not gonna be interested. They're just gonna give it lip service. Right? You heat it, Jovan John, you heat it so. So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): if we look at this pathway, you wanna of the understanding, the fears and the limiting beliefs.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You'd wanna look at that first before you give them the the stress management tools. You would wanna probably first cognitively say exactly what I said right now to be clear and then ask questions for people. Okay, yes, I know you don't want stress.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But what are some of the ways that you are holding onto straps.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What are some of the fears that you might have if you were to become totally peaceful? Right? What kind of fears. Does that bring up for you? If you wanted to go deeper, then you could do up a friend or fear technique with it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But but you'd wanna address some of this first.
Annelise Pesa: And
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): yeah.
Annelise Pesa: yeah, that's so helpful. And and yeah, that it's absolutely
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and and one of the things that I cover is the fact that actually, stress has got a positive function to a certain point. What will happen when we actually go overboard with it? That's great. So that's also the the first pathway, a little bit like what you desire, right? Like helping them want to desire to be more free.
Annelise Pesa: Yeah. And you can mix and match.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah, no, that's great. That was a great little case study. Thank you. Is this everybody starting to get this? This is about really, these different pathways are about human nature and and thinking about what? Like thinking about human nature and what is gonna help someone really be able to get into and process and have breakthroughs on any given topic so that they can take the actions
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that they wanted to hate
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and slowing it down.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay, let's keep on going.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): okay, here's another approach. This one isn't gonna work
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for every piece of content. But I just kind of threw this.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And again, there's so many different approaches. But II just threw this one in. So this one I'm Ca, I call. This is kind of like what I'm doing on today's class suggest categories and help
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): participants find their category. So if we keep on going with, find your communications style in this approach.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you would go ahead, and instead of having people asking questions for people to find their own communication style, you would lay out different types of communication style, so that people could find themselves in it. You might talk about a loving communication style, a passionate communication style, a direct communication style, a humorous
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): communication style. So you're suggesting categories. But then you wanna go deeper? You don't wanna just say, okay. So pick one.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You might ask clients, when have you
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): used each of these? How did it go? What worked for you? What felt natural for you? What felt forced for you?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Do you have a fear of using one of these styles? Why.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): if you're in person with people, you can divide the room into quadrants. You can have
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): one quadrant of the room. Be passionate communication, one quadrant of the room be a humorous communication, one quadrant, be loving communication, one quadrant. Be soft communication, and then you can have people walk to the different con, you know, move with their bodies into that communication style, communicate with each other in that way, practice right, and then pick where they
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what felt most aligned for them.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'll pause on this
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): thoughts. questions.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Kelly.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): That one just sparked for me one of the pieces that I'm kind of excited about doing in a more advanced version of what I'm working on is pulling in different archetypes of the Change Maker. And I was thinking how fun it would be
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): to have the archetypes be the different categories, and have people step in and work on the embodiment of them, and, like, even speak from the one that resonates or speak from the one that doesn't resonate and
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): and just play with those different roles to understand them or and understand how they function in in their world, so that one just got me excited as I was hearing you speak.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yay, I love that. What you're describing. It sounds great.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Tara.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Oh, you're on mute.
Tara Sage: Sorry for that. That that got me excited. Was it, Kelly? That was just speaking something disconnected.
Tara Sage: I'm filtering it through which Brule
Tara Sage: feels most true or valid for someone right like which bullshit rule have you excuse me, been following.
Tara Sage: and then cause, I sometimes say, like.
Tara Sage: whose voice do you hear that rule set in right like? And then speaking from the brule, giving it voice, having a dialogue with it, why is it true? Is it always true.
Tara Sage: When is it false?
Tara Sage: A absolutely, blatantly false. And that's such a powerful way to deconstruct the brule that has been dominating someone's mental constructs, and they've been looking at their life through. So whoo! That's a big one. Thank you. I love it. Yeah. Yeah.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What else? What? What's popping just from our whole class today. I'd love to hear what inspired ideas are coming through. What's popping? What are you starting to see? There's one other little piece I wanna look at today, what's not little, but we'll look at it briefly. But I'd love to hear what
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what's really connecting for you, or what are you feeling excited about, or what's sparking for you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Cecilia?
Cecilia Kremer: Yeah. So I'm I'm hearing you say this like many times, and and I think I want to
Cecilia Kremer: be with that, you know. After this, I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna go back, cause it resonates with me. But I am also trying to grasp like the benefits which is like the slowing down.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you know, like, it seems to me these pathways are ways to help people kind of ground themselves in the learning, and maybe if you want to speak a little bit more to that, that would be helpful for me. Yeah, I love that phrase to ground themselves in the learning. And yeah, I mean, again, we're just looking at a few pathways. Jake Sky is the limit.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But it's about like you're seeing, grounding, and learning it's about.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): how are
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): if we're just presenting content. This is how you do this or this right? It's not
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): aside from the 4 levels of learning and processing
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): people aren't necessarily.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): They're hearing you talk about it, but they're not
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): applying it to their own lives. They're not seeing where they agree with it, where they feel resistance to it, where they want it, where they where they don't want it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): They're they're not connecting in and and and finding the depth inside of it by using, by think. And the again, these approaches are, just think about human nature, right? Like, what? What for people? But it helps
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): us as teachers, slow it down and then help our people connect to the material to it, helps us help them, make it their own and understand their relationship
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and it creates breakthroughs.
Cecilia Kremer: That's wonderful. Thank you. Just saved me a lot of like spinning in my mind.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Good. Good, then.
Jennifer Rose Gens: Yeah. It reminds me of routes not just one route, but several different routes, like channels right? And they like
Jennifer Rose Gens: get in there and they wrap around. They're not just like one thing. And I've seen this with some of my.
Jennifer Rose Gens: a people with the concepts. And they want the concept. And
Jennifer Rose Gens: you know, we go through maybe one over 2 of these levels, but really incorporating
Jennifer Rose Gens: an array of the pathways and the levels can help them
Jennifer Rose Gens: with that experiential. And I watched that video you sent about
Jennifer Rose Gens: learning.
Jennifer Rose Gens: And II so appreciated that
Jennifer Rose Gens: it got to that point where it's like
Jennifer Rose Gens: we really learned through experience. Mo, most, it's like 80 or 80. And that's what you're talking about.
Jennifer Rose Gens: It's how to create an experience. So I love that you mentioned that there's tiny journeys within the big journey within the. It's like the Russian doll journeys. I love that the Russian dollar, and it's just like there, it's all inside of it, you know, like we're eating the experience which really is the route center
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): beautiful, so beautifully put. Thusica.
vessica: yeah. So I have a question. what got triggered is, say that you have a. So you have a specific
vessica: healing methodology or something that you do like. For example, the rewiring, the belief, something that could take something that somebody's experienced and actually help transform it pretty quickly. My question is, how much content cause one of the things I'm
vessica: keep bumping up against us. I wanna make sure that the
vessica: enough content, or what is needed to be there for them to get the learnings before they have a transfer like a shift or transformation. It is my, am I asking? And
vessica: clarinet question?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah, I think so. If I if I'm understanding correctly before I answer you, Jessica, cause we're almost at 4 in case anyone else needs to hop off exactly at 4. I just wanted to point out that there's one more resource sheet that you're all getting
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Sorry. I just want to share it real quick. It's called the anatomy of a transformational exercise.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): It's definitely take a look. It's it's very self explanatory. It goes over what we looked at today. It's kind of like a little journey for you to take as your. It's my heroes journey for you as you create your exercises. So I just wanted to make sure everybody took a look at that.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay, so, Vessica, let's use the example of you use, you said like rewiring. I believe.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So in terms of the setup. you know, it's always going to depend on the group and what you've already taught them, and what they're coming, what kind of knowledge they're coming in with.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): etc., etc. But that being said, generally speaking, on a cognitive level with a group before you're going, you go into a rewiring exercise.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You would obviously want to be identifying what belief they're gonna rewire.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You would want to set up on why they would want to rewire that belief right? So have them look a little bit into how that belief is causing havoc
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in their life so that they
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that's a little bit pathway number 2, you know, like, so that they don't want it enough to want to really be invested in the rewiring technique
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that you take them through. and
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): depending on the group you might just want to do or might not. But a little bit of education. On
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): rewiring. II often don't when I do a rewiring process, unless it's practitioners, because they like to know and understand. Oftentimes, after I lead a group through a rewiring process, and I give them the homework
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): of coming back, you know. O, all the different pieces to come back to. That's when I do a little education on rewiring to give them motivation to want to. But I don't think you need to set up more without knowing your curriculum. Obviously, Jessica, those are the general things that I would say would need to be set up.
vessica: Is that helpful? Yeah, yes, it is. And can I? Can I ask a follow-up question to that
vessica: so, for example, say that you're working with somebody who has a
vessica: or a group again, this is, I'm trying to navigate this because it's a small group, and you're working with some with someone who has. Maybe some. You know, you're doing a trauma. I'm doing a trauma release technique. Okay? And I know that what I know is important is that they get the learning
vessica: because I always feel like there's learnings and anything that we have experienced.
vessica: And I'm just navigating like you know how. Sometimes you can see somebody go in and just get like a you know
vessica: some kind of really so fast that they don't get the learnings. And I'm navigating. Does this make sense like you? I noticed you have some background. Right? Yeah, I got it. So I'm glad you're asking. So some of this is also in the integration afterwards. Right? Cause a lot of these energetic techniques, somatic techniques.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So much is happening right? And so number one back to being trauma informed.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): We wanna know, okay, how big is our group? Do we feel like we can hold the container to, you know, with the deeper exercises are there. Do I have an assistant in the room? You know, whatever it is like. I don't ever do
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in person. Shadow work without an assistant in the room period. There's never going to be more than 22 people in that room period. Right? So it's going to be different things in different situations. But that being said so much comes through
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and you don't for some techniques. And I'm assuming this technique that you're talking about right now is similar. So many of these deeper techniques like you don't want to break necessarily bring all of the cognitive understanding. While it's happening, you wanna let the body, the spirit, the heart, do the do what it needs to do and have the breakthrough, and whatever maybe a little bit of cognitive reinforcement as you're leading the technique.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But then that's why afterwards. And I'll speak specifically to a group. You know if you're doing it with a group. Then, after any exercise like that, first, you want to have people write down.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you know, jot down some notes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Right? We're because we're into integration now, which is part of the processing jot down notes on that experience. What came through what felt important, what did you notice.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and then from there you want to have some shares, either with the group as a whole, or if you have time to divide people into breakout rooms with shares, and then come back and hear some shares. Anyway, you want to do that for a couple of reasons. Number one
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to answer your question so that people get like the complete journey, and they connect the dots
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): of what happens so magically in a somatic or energetic technique.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You do need to connect some cognitive dots usually afterwards. But number 2, you want to do that because you're tracking your people right? You wanna you wanna hear what came through you, you wanna kind of get that feedback. So you know where you're going? Yeah.
vessica: Super helpful. Thank you so much. Yeah. I'm so glad you asked.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): All right.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Well, this has been mostly a cognitive class. Today I have a feeling. Your heads are filled cognitively with a lot of information, but I hope that there is excitement in your heart, and some things are dropping in more deeply. I can't wait to see what comes of our exploration today. As a reminder. I am here as always. I love to hear from you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Let me know what you need, and I for those of you that are coming to the call with Melana uncoaching. Jeannie. I'll see you tomorrow.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): sending so much love.