Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Hi, everybody.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay.
So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I am glad to see you all.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): For many of us. We're going to be spending a lot of time together this week.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And so speaking of which, just a couple of housekeeping pieces.
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Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So just again.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): as a reminder, for those of you that were not bonus in
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): We have our marketing retreat this week. We're gonna be together Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, from 11 to 6 Eastern.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I've gotten the question privately, and so I'll also answer here, because
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I know people like to know when are the breaks? So I'll just tell you now, my and this is a good facilitation little tip. Also, people generally need to pee every 90 min.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So if I have a 2 h class like I do today, we don't have a break, but anything longer than that. I try to break every 90 min.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): so we'll. you know, give me some flex time a little bit, but we'll go approximately 11 to 1230 each day, and then we'll take 10 or 15 min.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): We'll go toll 45 to Eastern. We'll take our longer break at 2, about 2 to 3, and then we'll go another 90 min. Take a break at around 4, 30 Eastern and finish out
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the day.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So if you need to schedule calls, or to run and do an errand, or whatever it is. That's that's the approximate time.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I think I mentioned this last week. But I'll just say again.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): we're
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the 3 days we're gonna do a lot. In the 3 days we're gonna look at first, we're gonna do some inner work
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): around marketing and do a little bit of the semantic work to find your aligned marketing voice.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And then from there I'm going to take a step by step through the anatomy of a sales page for a group program.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): We're gonna have time to do some of the writing for the sales page or the sales letter.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): The whole entire process
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): is, gonna do a couple of things. And we'll go over this more tomorrow. But one of the things is, it will help you get more clear on your program.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So if you are not clear yet.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): these 3 days are still for you, it will help you to get more clear.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): The other housekeeping piece I wanted to mention is, and I think I mentioned it last week, too. But I'll mention it again. You'll get an email soon. I added
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): up another bonus session. For February fifth from 2 to 4 Eastern
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and what we're gonna do during those 2 h is I'm gonna take us through a training on how to put together a preview presentation
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): or a preview workshop
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for your group program or for your one on one work also can be applied to anything, and people often ask me how to do that and instead of giving it to you piecemeal. We'll have some time to get more deeply into it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay. so
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in a few minutes we're going to get into the meet for today. I'm really excited about it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I am going to actually take you through a sample
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): curriculum, one of my curriculum.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But I'm gonna break down based on everything that we've learned so far. This is kind of an integration session. I'm gonna explain to you about each piece why it's there, what it does.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): so that you can start to see how everything comes together, and it will also help generate more ideas for going deeper with your own curricula and your own exercises.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But before we get there. I'd love for you to. I'd love to open up space and actually first, just for everybody to write down.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What is one thing that you would like to celebrate when it comes to facilitation or your curriculum. I know I ask this question a lot for those of you that have been through sacred depths. You know why I ask this question, but I will remind you, and for everybody else.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): It is because we are trained by society most of the time in life
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to move forward
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): from this didn't work that didn't work. This isn't going well, this is where I'm behind. This is where I'm not good enough.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Make for great forward movement.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): There is a saying in my Jewish tradition.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Mihazak Lehazak, from strength to strength.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and to me what that really means is. yes, we're focusing all the time on the deficits. But let's intentionally focus on the strengths.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Let's intentionally focus on what is going well on the inner and outer, and have that inspire us forward.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So even if it was just the worst week ever, and you feel like you didn't get anything done with your curriculum, or in your life, like whatever it is, I promise you there is a strength there is something to celebrate.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So for you. What is it?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Even if just the smallest little idea that came through focus on that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): as opposed to everything that didn't happen or that didn't come through.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay. So with that, I'd love to open up space for a few minutes, either to share celebrations
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): which I would love to hear, or if you have any questions for me. You know we've got about 10 min, and we'll have QA. At the end as well. But I'd love to hear celebrations. I'd love to hear what's resonating, what's coming together, what's feeling important? And then any question
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that you have for
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that you've been wanting to ask.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): We'd like to share
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Kelly.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): I was waiting, so I always ask questions. Nobody. Alright. My question is. I feel like I got to this place that I'm really excited about, which is, I wanna do sort of these cycles of my program and
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): run participants through. You know, the A. 9 10 week. I see it like a wheel. It's like Run! Go around the wheel, and then they have the opportunity to go in again, and we'll have little breaks in between
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): but basically, I could run for a year which make it almost membership. But I have the option of not doing membership.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): But then there's this little niggly voice in the back of my head that is asking. Well, there's a couple of things, but one is you had mentioned. Maybe you wanna do a 5 week sort of entry into that which I think was back when it was a longer program like when I was looking at.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): It's asking me again, what language I'm speaking. It's weird. Okay, you don't need a you don't need a 5 week into a 9 or 10. Okay, okay.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): So I guess then the other big question that keeps coming up is
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): as I am guiding them through, like, I have this sense in my mind of wanting to leave some level of flexibility with it.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): And as we're going into the marketing piece, I wanna be really clear on this, because while I have these 9 different components I would love to lead people into. I know that to go deeply into each of them we need more time, but I also know that each of them play into each other and are really like they're very sort of symbiotic. So I'm thinking about whether
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): you know I speak to it as here's the larger framework. Obviously, I wouldn't say we're gonna get through, we what we can get through. But do I have sort of the core pieces that
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): we're going to move through, and then other pieces that would be like nice to add in, but not necessarily aligning with, you know, one pillar per week or or one module per week.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): yeah, I just. I just keep thinking about this cause. II know myself the idea of just doing 5 pieces 4 times a year, I would I'd be really itchy like.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): like I need to do more. So I'm and I know that eventually we'll be able to go around the wheel and go deeper. But I'm
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): yeah. So II would just love thoughts on that, because I know it's a lot for a 9 week program. What's in there? And I don't wanna stuff it. But I also would love to make it.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): you know, an enticing thing that does feel new and fresh. How many modules are in there? 9. 9. So I would. And you're gonna go through each of those 9 modules, each each turn of the wheel.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): I would. Yes, yeah, we would do 9 for each turn in the wheel. Yeah, so I would. I would have
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the 9. I wouldn't get into specific activities if you're not gonna do
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): each of the specific activities, each turn of the wheel. But and you'll see when we when we focus on bridge in the sales page, I'll I'll lay out how to do it. But II would include all 9, and then a paragraph or 2
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): that speaks to the purpose of it, and how it will help them move forward on their journey without listing specific things so that you don't have to get into. We might get to this in the cycle that you're in or not. Or you know this, that and the other thing. Okay? So basically it would be touched upon, but not necessarily like a deep dive on each piece, unless there's the spaciousness for it, and it leaves me room to be creative in each
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): time around the wheel.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Exactly. And you know, once you have that all laid out, we can look together. If the sales.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): page or letter wants a little
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): paragraph about the the nature of it. And you know.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): we might wanna share something about that in a kind of really positive, inspiring way, so that people understand the bigger picture.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): Got it. Okay? Perfect. Yeah, because they'll be coming in for one move around the wheel. And then my thought is to incentivize if they want to do 4 rounds around the wheel, then they get some extra special bonus or savings or something. But yeah, I and I love it. It helps satisfy the creative part of me to think we're not doing the same thing every not boring, but basic that we can get more creative and exciting. Okay.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): thank you. You're welcome, Courtney.
Courtney Reed-Marsh: Hi, Joanna, and everybody. I just wanted to say to celebrate that
Courtney Reed-Marsh: I have gotten really sideswiped in the last few weeks by things that were very unexpected that were not to do with
Courtney Reed-Marsh: my business, or my course, or anything like that. And so I'm not.
Courtney Reed-Marsh: I haven't. I still haven't figured out some key things that I really thought that I would have figured out by the time we got to the marketing
Courtney Reed-Marsh: period here.
Courtney Reed-Marsh: and also, I'm just the that's not. The celebration celebration is that I'm feeling so grounded in this process that
Courtney Reed-Marsh: normally, if if this were the circumstance, and at this point, in a
Courtney Reed-Marsh: training of some sort, I would be here feeling like
Courtney Reed-Marsh: so anxious and like either, I have to just drop out, or I'm here because of like guilt or stress, or whatever, and I need to, you know. Hurry up and catch up and make it look like I'm really succeeding. And
Courtney Reed-Marsh: and I'm just. I'm so grateful to you for creating this container in which I feel fine.
Courtney Reed-Marsh: I mean, I'm not thrilled with the fact that I'm not as far along as I expected to be at this point, but I feel safe with it, and I feel okay with it. And I feel trusting that I'm gonna get there.
Courtney Reed-Marsh: So that's my celebration. And just thank you. Yeah, it's huge. I'm so glad that you're sharing this for a couple of reasons like first and foremost for you, Courtney.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): cause it's not. It's great. What's the same like? How we do. One thing is how we do everything. So if you can feel that way here, I can already see ripple effects of this.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'm okay where I am, and I don't have to quit because I'm behind or feel so awful about. I can see ripple effects of that out in the world right for you. So so I'm so so happy to hear it for that reason.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And also I'm so glad you're sharing here because we get we can get Meta on this, since this is a course about facilitation and courses.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You know, for you and for everybody, right?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Life. We're gonna leave courses and life is gonna happen for people and they are gonna get sideswiped, or their nervous systems are gonna just be such that they're gonna go at a slower pace than they thought they were gonna go, or whatever it is, I mean we it's there's no avoiding it. I it just it is right. And so to your point, Courtney, for all of us
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): one of our jobs as holders of space for courses.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): both, so that people can be as successful as possible in their our courses, but also so that we they teach. They get to learn this lesson through our courses as we want to normalize.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): everybody is at a different pace. We wanna normalize that. It's okay to be behind that. You are still part of the community that's still so much can happen. And you you can create what you want. We wanna normalize that things don't happen in a day and and all of that. So I want us all to be thinking about, especially for those of us that have longer courses. I want us to be thinking about how we're integrating this and
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): into our courses as well, so that our people can continue to show up and be engaged and do the work. So thank you for many reasons for sharing all of that.
Courtney Reed-Marsh: Thank you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'm going to try to get Kalida and Monica and Amelise, and also, if I don't get to all 3 of you, we'll have time for open Q. And A at the end as well.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Khalida.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you there, Khalida.
Kellita Maloof: Sorry I was talking. But yeah, there, Hi, Joanna, and I'll Courtney, I want to lean in
Kellita Maloof: the to your experience, because I've also had
Kellita Maloof: things slow. Slow me down some health things. And then also, just, I think, the belief part, the belief part that's inherited in this I just over the weekend.
Kellita Maloof: did
Kellita Maloof: some work on the belief that really had to do with like, can I even do this? You know, just at that at that level, can I?
Kellita Maloof: Yeah, things that were under that. So that's that's now, you know, I'm reorganizing on the
Kellita Maloof: on that belief and identity level and on a concrete level
Kellita Maloof: kind of a very specific question.
Kellita Maloof: About if I'm go. If I'm developing the teacher training
Kellita Maloof: aspect
Kellita Maloof: I've had a so a strong belief which I may keep.
Kellita Maloof: But I just want to expose it to the air that someone would need to go through 2 or 3 times
Kellita Maloof: the program itself in the receiving seat
Kellita Maloof: before
Kellita Maloof: doing the
Kellita Maloof: the training to facilitate. And I mean, that's it's it's a
Kellita Maloof: it's a big requirement. and I haven't felt.
Kellita Maloof: It's felt very true to me, but I just want to expose it to the air without even saying more, and just see what
Kellita Maloof: any initial
Kellita Maloof: hit without me sharing any more context.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah, yeah.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah. So first, I just wanna honor. What you know, you know is an important requirement for the work, and that's you know, you are such an expert. And you, you know in what you do. And you've seen it. And so it's it's important to know, and for teacher trainings.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): especially in the way that you're at least gonna in part use your teacher training, which is, you know, those people are gonna have your certified logo, or you know what how. However, it is right it is. It is about sharing
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): your work and your brand. And so the quality control piece
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): is really important for you. So I wanna honor all
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): of that.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I always try to
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): see how things can work best also with ease. And so what I mean for that in this case is, it could be pretty daunting
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and expensive
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and time expensive for someone to go through 3 times right? So here. So here's just an idea
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): is that the second time is integrated into the teacher training.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So they don't have to pay
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): time and money and energy once, and then pay time and money and energy twice, and then do the teacher training. Maybe they they go through the program once.
and then maybe.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): either throughout the training or the first piece of the training in, is it again experiencing it? So? A. Anyway, I don't know just something to play with there, so that you honor what you know is true about this
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): while not making it the entry so hard not making it so hard for people to say, Yes.
Kellita Maloof: my, my hit just having from having taught, you know, like other other things even before, is, if you
Kellita Maloof: thinking of the classroom of teaching Asl.
Kellita Maloof: If you start really loose
Kellita Maloof: you can never tighten up, but if you start tight you can always loosen.
Kellita Maloof: So this is why I was thinking of starting tighter, and then
Kellita Maloof: and then, if it feels right, then loose loosening along the way, just knowing that it's almost like a metaphysical principle.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I agree with you 100%. I just don't want the barrier. I don't want there to be such a big barrier to entry. So how can you honor that and make it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah, good.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Emily's
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): actually annelise. I'm so sorry I'm looking.
Annelise Pesa: is it? Is it a quick question, Annelise? Or is it? Yeah, relatively quick. So I've got like 9 modules divided in 3 parts. And I was thinking in terms of timing
Annelise Pesa: for the program to last for 3 months, which would be like, you know, 12 if we do every week, or to give a space in between, maybe because it's I'm not quite sure about logistic. I'm feeling quite confused about it, or thinking maybe I should offer a 3 one to one in addition to the 9 sessions.
Annelise Pesa: or just leave it free for for them, because obviously they incredibly busy. And yes, there would be recording. But I know that they will lose.
Annelise Pesa: Yeah, that that line will come, and you know there would be. The course will be not, as you know, it will run second. So yeah, I'm just really struggling in terms of how long it should last.
Annelise Pesa: and then also but it maybe it's a it's a question for another time. Price. But yeah, la, how long it should last.
Annelise Pesa: I'm a state.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Well, let's hold on Price, and we can look at it at the end. But yeah,
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I agree with you that putting more in is gonna I don't think for your people. That's right, I think, having the 3 weeks and a week off for catch up, and the 3 weeks and a week off. II think that's gonna be the best way
Annelise Pesa: to do it. Yeah, yeah.
Annelise Pesa: yeah, no, II think so. And and also quick, quick question, do you think? Because I doubt they could be like the lessons could be in like 2 h? Do you think like
Annelise Pesa: an hour and a half. you know, it could be. Obviously it depends on
Annelise Pesa: you know what you're talking about, but
Annelise Pesa: I'm not like I'm like, is it is an hour too short an hour and a
half too long.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You want to split it in the middle at 75 min.
Annelise Pesa: Hmm. hmm!
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Think about it, you know.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Also
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): this happens in my classes. You've seen it. Sometimes people hop off the last 10 min, and then they catch the rest of the recording or they don't you know them? I can't make anybody do anything. So if you need 90 min
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to do it, the way that you want to do it. Yeah, no, that's it's a good shift of perspective. What is it that I need to make the best
Annelise Pesa: you know out of it?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah, which is also, you know maybe benefits them exactly. Exactly. We can't right? So we always want to be an integrity to the work and and the space that it needs.
Annelise Pesa: Yeah, all right. Thank you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah, you're welcome.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay, so I am excited to share this with you. What?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): As I said in the beginning, we're going to go through an example of what? One of my curricula I'm going to take you through it step by step, and illustrate.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Why, I put what? Where? What is part of it, you know, kind of break things down a bit. It's gonna help integrate everything we've been learning and also help. I think it's gonna inspire. A lot of different ideas for you. You also have the breakdown in your member center. I'm gonna share my screen with you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the piece of work that I'm going to be sharing with you today was one day of curriculum. So it was a full 8 h of well, with breaks and all of that as part of a 3 day in person
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): retreat.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So I let a 3 day in-person retreat. This was one day, and the topic of this whole day
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): was called owning your voice
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in order to grow your business.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Some of you who are in advanced depth you have received. A small snippet. We did a small snippet of this fullur curriculum in our last
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): retreat.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay, let me share my screen.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): so you can all take a look with me. What's happening here?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Shoot. It's not letting me share.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Give me one more sec. Let me see why this isn't working.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Maybe I need to take. Okay, here we go.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So again, this is, this was a full day. On owning your voice in order to grow your business. Now, I'm not taking you through the container setting. That I did for the entire retreat.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'm taking you straight into after all the container setting
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for the retreat itself.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So the first step on this hero's journey to own their voice so that they can grow. Their business was an introduction to what even is voice.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and the introduction was mostly in a presentation mode. It was mostly creating
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): an intellectual framework inspiration, a heart connection to to the topic like why people would even want to own their voice.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to grow their business. And we looked at how we want to do this in the beginning of programs as well. We want to create inspiration, give a context for the topic that we're teaching.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So the way that I did all of this in this particular retreat is, I started off with a personal story about a time when
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I didn't own my full voice. and what happened?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And then how I reclaimed my voice
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that I was sharing my own hero's Mini hero's journey of what we were going to do for that whole entire day together in order to activate inspiration in order to help
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): my students think about, start to think about. Where are they with their voices? Right? Why would this be important?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And the story I shared was a very, very. It didn't have to do with my business, but a very. Some of you have heard it a very, very personal story
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): after that personal story. Remember, we looked at last week. Definitions and examples are important.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So I took the time. only took a minute or 2 to define what I even met. When I say, voice.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what does that mean in the context of business and life? Right? Because people might not exactly understand what that is?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And then I gave all of these different examples of what voice could look like.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): speaking directly and honestly with clients being honest and direct, with team members being willing to market and be seen showing up fully in your marketing, etc. Right? So I gave. I defined it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and I gave those examples.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But I went deeper. I didn't just define. From there I went into the why right? I spoke a little bit about
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): why cleaning your voice
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): is so important in your business in your life. If you remember, when we looked at our curriculum anchors, this is exactly what we spoke about doing at the beginning of any course, right to activate inspiration.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So I shared that. The more you claim your full voice the more you're able to. And I gave all the different things that you're able to do in your business.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the more you claim your voice.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I also spoke about the gap. What happens when you don't claim your voice?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Things go slower with clients. You beat around the bush. Your work stays hidden. Right.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): all all the things right. I'm generating investment, and so that people can kind of see themselves in all of this.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And then the next thing I did, the last thing I did in this introduction is, I just start to say, like, Okay, so why don't we claim our voices? And I gave some possible reasons
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): on why. It's hard to claim our voice. Because II put setup here because we are going to do a lot of work with this later on.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): This whole section
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): took maybe 15
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): minutes
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): total. Right? It's really just as I said, the first step
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): introduction to your voice. where I was starting to just wet the palette
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): on this topic.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Let me pause here for a moment.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Anyone have any questions or any like ideas that are popping or kind of coming together for you. On this you can just take yourself off mute.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and share anybody want to comment on this step one.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah, Monisha, go ahead.
Monisha Mittal, Powhatan Empire, Virginia, She/Her: I guess. Don't shoot me. But I was thinking of
Monisha Mittal, Powhatan Empire, Virginia, She/Her: Th those types of questions I was thinking of doing at the end of my first day. So that people could like see their behavior and kind of get awareness on it.
Monisha Mittal, Powhatan Empire, Virginia, She/Her: So you said that they you said you did it at the beginning to
Monisha Mittal, Powhatan Empire, Virginia, She/Her: activate them. So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): when you say those types of questions, tell me what you mean. Cause I actually, I haven't
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in the way I did this this time, like in the example. And, by the way, you can do it so many different ways. Right? This is, I'm not saying this is the way to do it. I'm not sure example. But
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the way I did this this time. I actually this was all presentation teaching mode. I haven't asked anybody any questions yet. I'm just this. This whole first 15 min was me
Monisha Mittal, Powhatan Empire, Virginia, She/Her: kind of speaking, bringing people into the topic. And then we're gonna start. I'm gonna start asking questions, doing exercises that activate different things after this. Okay? Well, well, I do I? So the mapping, I see I definitely have the personal story to kind of activate. Why is this even an issue? Why are we even here?
Monisha Mittal, Powhatan Empire, Virginia, She/Her: And then I think I'm just gonna pause there. I don't think I really have a question as much as that you have.
Monisha Mittal, Powhatan Empire, Virginia, She/Her: you know, brought some fire and flow to, to some of my thinking. But I appreciate the those questions that you just went over like activating the gap and you know the vision. Those were the types of exercises I was having us conclude with on the first day, because I really want them to get in touch with the feeling, you know, I mean. And again, you know, Monica, because your work you always lead with the body.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): It makes perfect sense to me that you would do a somatic piece first, before getting into some more cognitive questions. Even with that, though, Monica take 10 min or so in the beginning.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): cognitively. even if it's not exercises. But like, I'm sharing here to to
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to bring people into being invested more deeply. Yeah to the top. Yeah, that's the piece I'm getting. Thank you. Yeah, you're welcome. Great! I'm so glad you asked. Let me see what's happening in the chat
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): here.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah, you all have a copy of the template. It is already in your member center.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay, so let's keep on going. So after that, Intro. the next step on my hero's journey
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): was. I wanted everybody in the room to start to get clear
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): on what their own personal wounds were around their voice right? Because, in order to own your voice, it's really important to have awareness
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): on where some of the the wounding is.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So the very first thing I did.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): By the way, let me just take a step back. Are you starting to see now, when I say each, there's a mini journey within each step. Are you starting to see that now, like
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Step One was, introduce your voice. But here we have a mini journey of each of these points within step one.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So I'm doing the same for each of the steps. So the very first thing on the getting clear on your voice wounds is I spoke to resistance.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): My people. Everybody's gonna have. Every group of people is gonna have a different
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): point of resistance. I knew for the people in the the room with me for this retreat.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Their resistance was, they've already done a lot of personal work
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in general, and also personal work with me. We've looked at voice wounds in one way or another before. I didn't want them to tune out on this right. So I spoke to the resistance. I said, especially if you've been working with me for a while. You have shifted some of your voice wounds and
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): don't close yourself off because we're going to go deeper today, right? I want for all of us to take this serious very seriously. It can be kept super surface, and you'll get some insight at the surface level, for sure. But vo voice wounds go deep, and no matter how much work you've done in terms of your visibility, there's always more to go
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): right. So we've learned about resistance already here in life, changing courses. This was just a quick, half a minute way
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): of addressing. There is a step.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I didn't ask any questions you would this, that, or the other thing? I just spoke to it?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And then from there again, as part of getting clear on the voice wounds.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I led them through a series of journaling questions
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): so that they could locate where they were.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and how this is an issue for them. We looked at this in our curriculum anchors right helping people locate where they are.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So some of the questions that I asked were, Where is your voice stifled, or where are you stifling your voice
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in your business right now. How often do you usually censor yourself in your business? And I had them. I did it in
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): not in general. But I went through. Okay. how are you censoring yourself with your team?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): People had time to journal on it. How are you censoring yourself with your clients.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): How are you censoring yourself with your prospects? Right? So I we took the time to to get a full picture, because if I would have just I had the time right. I had a full day for this. If I didn't have the time I wouldn't. But if I would have just asked this question without dividing it into the different
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): areas. People may not have seen the full picture for themselves.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): From there
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I asked them a question, what are the results of being stifled in these areas.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): right? Because your site, where everything they've just identified. So what's what? What are the results that you're seeing? This helps them to so understand the impact
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that not owning their voice was having on their business and on themselves.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): From there.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): We're still remember, we're still in this step of getting clear on the wounds
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): from there. I asked them to pick one of the things that they wrote down to work with right. So, in other words.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): one of the ways that they're stifling their voice with team, or or one of the ways that they're stifling their voice in their marketing. Right. I asked them to pick one
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to go deeper with
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): when you want to go deeper with any topic that you're looking at.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Generalizing is not as powerful as picking each person, picking one specific real life example to hone in on to go deeper with
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that make sense.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So I asked them to pick one.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and then we had a group share on it. so I could check in so a little bit, so I could check in where people were at, so people could exchange ideas on what was coming up for them, to give each other ideas, to normalize all. What was that people were seeing in the room.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and then from there still is part of this step getting clear on the wounds. We did a series, most of this still on the cognitive intellectual level we're getting later on. We went much deeper, as you'll see.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But I asked a series of questions so that each person in the room could start to understand why
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that they they were stifled or wounded in the voice. Right?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Start to understand why, if you remember from last week this was the pathway number 3 create awareness around fears
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): whenever we can shine a light on what the fears are. That's a first step
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to starting to shift and transform them.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And also another transformational principle. People tend to run away from the things that are not so savory or are hard to look at.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I believe part of our job as transformational practitioners is to hold the space for people to lean in to the hard places
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and the places that they, you know, don't want to look at right into and doing it together in community is one of the most beautiful ways to do that right because of the normalization
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): of how hard things are, it takes away so much of the shame and the dread.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Now I happened the questions that I asked
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I happen to ask them as a journaling questions for this particular time.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): but I could have also done them as a visualization for those of you that know the befriend your fear, technique, or the rewiring technique. I could have done it so that it would have activated more of the emotional level of learning the spiritual, the body
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): level.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But these are some of the questions I asked, what are you scared? Might happen if your voice would open up and flow in that area? So if they chose marketing.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What are you scared might happen if your voice would open up in flow in your marketing? Where does that fear originate? From
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what events or series of events brought that fear into being. How old were you when that fear first arose?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Modeled it for you? Where did you learn it from? Is there a belief hanging out underneath the fear, how has it served you right? So that again, this Mini step
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): is so that they can understand why they're stifled in their voice.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): From there I divided people into not breakout rooms. We were in the room. We're actually in the room together. People went into their own to share in the room what came through. And then we all came back together for more processing. I did some individual coaching of people right. Remember.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): we never wanna end an exercise just with the end of the questions. We always wanna follow up and have at least one way. If we have time for 2 ways to integrate, right, to integrate, to go deeper.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): We don't just want to leave the words in in the notebook done. We want to be able to process it more.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Alright. Let me pause here.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What is clicking for you? What inspired ideas are coming through? What's feeling important? What questions you have, Robin.
Robyn Vogel: Well.
I'm
Robyn Vogel: so I've got 2 things on my mind. I guess one is, I'm running, as I said, a little mini like an in like an intensive for the heal your heart program.
Robyn Vogel: And
Robyn Vogel: at this, while working on the 5 month or 6 month version.
and like, I'm getting
Robyn Vogel: like a little bit overwhelmed, thinking about like
Robyn Vogel: how to it's this is like a 6 or 8. It's like 8 weeks, 6 we meeting 6 times.
I'm throwing in a couple of extra times.
Robyn Vogel: I'm realizing, like how
Robyn Vogel: deep I can take things.
Robyn Vogel: And
Robyn Vogel: what's my question.
My question is.
Robyn Vogel: an hour feels so short, and that's what I already scheduled.
Robyn Vogel: So I'm a little bit hung up on that.
Robyn Vogel: and I'm just wondering like how deep to go with this like kind of Mini lead in class, I guess.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah, it's such good questions.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in terms of how deep to go.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I used to
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): up until I don't know. 3, 4 years ago. like common marketing whatever. No, did you want to call it would say.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in your previews in your lead ins.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): don't give everything away. Don't go as deep
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): all the things as it turns out.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I think the opposite is true
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): when I do previews whether they're an hour and a half or 3 days or 2, 8 weeks, whatever it is, I am given them as like. I'm not over stuffing. I'm giving as much as I can given the time that we have.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): but I'm not holding back at all. What I have found is actually the deeper I go in in the lead Ins and the previews the more people they're not like, Oh, I got it. I'm full. I don't need anymore. It's actually the more they're like, yes, let me keep on going.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So I wanna give you permission to go as deep as you want to. As deep as your heart feels called to
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for the lead in
Robyn Vogel: II get that in our.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So here are my thoughts on the hour.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): If it really needs to be an hour, you can make it happen in an hour. I know that you can
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): if
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you can, and I have done this before. Go back and say I am so sorry you're not taking time away. You're giving time. Right? Like to say to people, I'm so sorry. I just this is gonna be such a special experience. We're gonna create so much magic. And I realize I actually need 90 min in a session not 60 min, I promise you. You will always get the recording in case you can't fully stay. But
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): our sessions are going to be this long. It is okay to do that.
Robyn Vogel: Yeah, I'm feeling a little bit like I wanna do that because I wanna do process tomorrow. And if I do this process, which is actually really deep. it's only week 2. And this is like
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): tomorrow. That might be too soon to tell people. Yeah, but as long as you give them a week or 2 and you explain, I understand you may not be able to, because you only put aside 60 min. If you can't, the recording will be there for you, and I'll answer any questions afterwards. You're good to go.
Robyn Vogel: Yeah, honor the work that way.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Thank you. Yeah. You're welcome, Courtney.
Courtney Reed-Marsh: Yeah, just from a logistics perspective. I've mentioned before that like time. I'm very timeline. It's hard for me to to plan like I can. I can plan how long I think things are gonna take. And then they always take longer.
Courtney Reed-Marsh: are, how long are you doing 7 writing prompts like, or are you just sort of
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): putting these questions out there and then giving them a period of time to write into whichever ones move them or how? Yeah. For this? II asked one question, and I gave 2 or 3 min, and I asked another question, and I gave 2 or 3 min
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): some every now. That's generally my style. That being said every now and again, I will just give a sheet with questions and and say, Pick the ones that feel most important to you, so you can do it either way.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): In terms of the time. Blindness, you know. We already spoke about the one thing, Courtney, of just telling people it could be longer, but it could be shorter. And then the other thing I'll just share. When I put together my own curricula.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): estimate how long something is gonna be. And then I add. usually another 2530, 40% more onto it. So if I think it's gonna take an hour.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'm actually gonna give myself 75 to 90 min
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to teach it.
Courtney Reed-Marsh: Okay. thank you. That's helpful.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah, you're welcome. See what's happening in the chat.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): okay, good, Monica. I'm glad that this is
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): making things more clear.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Kathy says. I always find when I read one question at a time. Some people have gone ahead. Anyway. It's true. I often don't give out all the questions ahead of time. I'll I'll kind of keep them super secret until I they come out of my mouth.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What are you scared of if you do get it done? Yes, yes, it's a big. That's a great question for people to understand what they're actually scared of. That's why.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I have this kind of question here.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Manisha, did
Monisha Mittal, Powhatan Empire, Virginia, She/Her: II was just pointing out that I was asking a question in my chat. For people who are scared of not for people who are overdoing it. I was wondering if the analogous question was, What are you scared of?
Monisha Mittal, Powhatan Empire, Virginia, She/Her: if it doesn't get done, or what are you scared is happening? If you don't get it done. Is that right? What are you scared? So I think there's 2 good questions in there. Is. What are you scared might happen if you don't get it done. And then another. I think really potent question. There, Monica, would be.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what are you scared? It means about you. Yeah.
Monisha Mittal, Powhatan Empire, Virginia, She/Her: thanks. That's where I'm trying to think. That's really, I was like, I'm trying to find the right bridge. So that's perfect. Thank you. Yeah, you're welcome. Good.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay. So once we into introduced the voice and step one step, 2 people got clear on their wounds where they came from, how it was impacting. Then we moved on to 3, which for me was, I wanted people to have
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): an experience.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): an intentional experience of seeing and feeling their voice. Right voice is something we talk about so much in metaphor, and I wanted to bring it to the the body level for people.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Because new awareness is about their voice. The wounds and the potential are gonna come through. If I support people to to understand it on the heart and the body
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): level. So for this staff
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): it. It was a kind of a 3 or 4 part exercise.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So first, before we went into the exercise, I set it up. I did a little bit of talking
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): about seeing and feeling your voice similar to what I just shared with you before. Right like. Why.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to bring to to create investment, to do something a little bit weird, right? I'm asking this and that to do this exercise right? Why, it would be worth their time. Why, it is important to see and feel their voice. So I spoke through that, and I gave them because it was like a 3 part exercise where they were doing some different things
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in the setup I gave them, I said, I'm going to lead you through this step by step, as we go through. But I told them ahead of time a little bit what we were doing, so that on the cognitive level they didn't have to like freak out too much to try to understand or project forward into the future. As we were moving through the exercise, they could just be fully present. Step by step
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): from their we did a heart centered kind of body scan where?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I led people through this kind of visualization body scan where they they felt into their bodies.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You know it didn't have to be anatomically correct at all. But where does your voice originate from? Is it somewhere in your body? Is it outside of your body. What is the pathway that your voice takes through your body as you as you look you? Where are the open places? Where are the stuck places? Right so to try to get a visual amazing.
not the visual, obviously.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): of currently what does their voice look like
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): now? Side note.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): facilitator and practitioner note.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): some people are not able to visualize their brains. Just don't allow them to visualize.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You can still do something like this. And you just say to everybody, you know. If you can't visualize. If you can't see the image in your mind, feel into it right? Feel into where your voice originates from feel what the pathway of your voice feels like through your body, right? So that way. You're not excluding anyone from something like this.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So I led them through this first this body scan. and then from there I had them draw, so they all had pieces of paper in front of them.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and I had them draw not again representationally, but the feel of their voice, that they had different colors, and they drew
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): an image of what their voice looks like.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I recommend. You do some kind of drawing that you have some kind of music playing in the background. It helps hold space in the container
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): when you do this. and of course
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the drawing was in part an integration of everything that we did in the body scan.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): but is also now activating even more the semantic level, to draw something, and then to have a visual.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to speak, about, to point, to, to analyze a bit more. From there they did. Some partner shares for integration on what they saw in the open and stuck places, the movement anything that that came through for them. And then we did group shares where I could coach people, one on one, help them go deeper, and so that I could track where people were at
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): right. And then just you always want shares also for the community, for people. It's great for people to connect and partners, and it's great for people to share in the community.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And let me pause there. thoughts, questions. anything that's popping or resonating inspired ideas.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Annelise.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Just a quick clarification, John, when you say share for tracking what is exactly so that I can track. So what I, we do group share. I do group shares in groups for many reasons. One is so that I can coach people. One is so that the community can come together. One is so that ideas can be exchanged.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But another reason why I have so many group shares is. It's one way for me to track. Did that exercise work? Well? Where are people with it? What's coming through? What are the questions that that people have. So when I say tracking, I mean tracking from the
yeah.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): See, Caroline is saying, you said this a while back. Sometimes I go through the material I prepare quickly. Oh, this is on the tying timing. Yes, and then try to tease out engagement. And you want to end things early. Yeah, the more you do it, Caroline, the the I think the less that will happen. It's a practice thing.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Kelly.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): Joanna. One thing that's coming up as you're talking about tracking and and just doing the group shares is how much to do, partner work and small group work where they get to go off into breakout rooms.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): and I have found I get a little jealous. but people really like them.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): But also I like to be able to track, and it's so helpful. But I also, I've just found, especially like in meeting online retreats and programs like, it's just helpful for people to have the space to connect with each other. You do you really effectively
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): engage connection with people through the chat and in large groups I've seen. But I'm curious like, what when do you make those choices, or what determines.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): You know what you choose in terms of sending people into breakout rooms or partners, or.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): yeah, it's such a good question. I wish, like, in
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): shorter sessions like in life changing courses. I wish we could do breakout rooms, but I would have to make these sessions
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): much longer to do it, you know, in advance where it's intensive. You know where we have 2 days together we do a lot of breakout rooms. So that's number one time for me
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): dictates right? So I'm never. I'm never going to not have a
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'm never gonna sacrifice a partner share for a group share. I might make a group share shorter in order to have the partner share. But because I do need to track, and because
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): it's important for the whole group together to come together. Right? So if I have the time for the partner share, I'm gonna do the breakout rooms, or if it's if we're in person getting into groups.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And then the other
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): question on my mind, always for anything that we put in any kind of curriculum is, what is the value
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): of this right?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'm gonna give you all a whole handout on breakout rooms or or partners where I'll go much deeper into this. But for now.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what is the value of this, you know, when it comes to a breakout room is.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what did we just do something? Did we just have an exercise
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): where it feels important for people to speak what came through
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and be seen in it. and or to get reflections in what came through and or to brainstorm ideas.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and if that obviously we could say yes to everything. But if if it is particularly like no, this is going to be incomplete, unless every single person, because in a group share, unless it's a small group, not everybody can share right? Is this not going to be complete
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): unless every person has a couple of minutes to speak what came through.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): or to get reflections. And the answer to that is, yes. Then I'm gonna put a partner sharing.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Is that helpful.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): Yep, that's great, and I'm wondering when you do, partner shares. Obviously it depends how deep
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): or what the process is. But if you're just having them share from an experience like, what's the minimum amount of time?
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): Yeah.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I like to do it. Minimum 2 min to share 1 min for reflection from your partner or partners. if you better.
and then the other thing. And this is, I think it's in the handout. But if not, we can talk more about this in January, when we get to facilitation.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Sometimes it's beneficial to have a group of 2, sometimes it's beneficial to have a group of 3. Sometimes it's beneficial to have a group of 4 depending on the exercise you've just done. And what, again, what is the purpose of the breakout
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): just to speak and be heard.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): 2 is fine. If it's to generate ideas and more reflections, you want to think about more than 2.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): Yeah. great. Thank you. Yeah, you're welcome.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): so let's keep on going. So on this hero's journey.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): now that people were so clear on the wounds and the blocks in their voice.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the next step that I took them through is to start to release.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I put this here as a transformational principle, because this is really important.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Sometimes you can release something in an instant like, just do one release ritual and poof! It's dawn. But if we're being true to real life.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and I've learned this as a both a coach and a ritualist.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Usually it takes multiple times to release something. And so II say this to people like for some of you. The the block will be full, you know, might be fully released through what we're gonna do next. But really, we're initiating a release process here. This is the next step.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and you'll go through different cycles of it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay, so this was a big exercise that we did. And
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I first I set it up. So I spoke about the purpose and the value
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): of releasing why it was important. So let me tell you. this exercise. What we did is we got into groups of 3 or 4.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Remember, we were all in the room together for this.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and we did this beautiful process, where, when it was one person's turn.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): They shared what the belief that they wanted to release. or the wound that they wanted to release with their other people in their group the 2 or 3 other people.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and then The actual release was their 3 part. They so they would lay out. They lay on the floor.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and then their partners actually shook them back and forth, and different parts of their body, and they literally shook the block out of them.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I had music playing while this was going on, and part of the setup was that the person that was going they would share what it was they were releasing, why they wanted to release.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and then how they wanted their release to happen. Everybody got to have their own journey. Some people wanted vigorous shaking like really just shake the heck out of me. Other people didn't want to be touched at all. They wanted energetic, shaking slowly and gracefully over their bodies.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Some people wanted, while this was going on to be whispered in their ear, release, release, right, or fear of failure no more right? So everybody got to design
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): their own experience for this
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): so I set all of this up. I addressed resistance right? It could be a little scary.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I spoke about some rules like, ask your partner where they don't want to be touched beforehand. And we did a demo so that people could really see it, and the whole room could see it first.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and then from there we got into the groups of 3. First, I had.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you know, the the partner that was going. I so I didn't just let people off, you know, in these exercises you don't just let people off and go, and whatever you're still holding the container, you're still leading them through it piece by piece. Right? So first I had who's gonna be partner one, and then what are you ready to release? Why, what is a word to symbolize this. You tell people more about what you want.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And then I had everybody lay down on the floor. and then the the partner that was going, and then I had them breathe deeply, get into their body, focus on what they want to release
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): right? And then we started the shaking, and then we fall after the shaking. We had people kind of come back into their own bodies, and then we had their partners stand them up and feel into, you know, like we we did a whole process. I won't go into it, but I'm sharing some of the highlights so that you can see
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the exercise isn't just willy-nilly. There's a beginning, a middle, and an end. There's a setup, there's a leading people through step by step.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Oh, we had
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): before that, after the shake, and people came back to their bodies. I had them do a second drawing. Now come back into your body. How does your voice feel now? What does your voice look like now? What are the open places now? And they did a quick drawing of that.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and then they got to share with their partners
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and their partners got to reflect to them what they noticed. What they saw as this beautiful one was going through the process.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and then we repeated for the next 2 partners.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Right? I we probably took a bathroom break at some point in here, cause this takes time.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and then we all came together in circle, and everybody shared both their experience of releasing as well as being experience of a release, sir, because a lot of learning comes through that as well, we had some
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): group shares
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in the end.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Alright. So I share this with you to kind of see a little bit more the anatomy of a somatic, a more involved somatic exercise. How you want to take it slow
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): step by, whether it's in person or zoom, step by staff there's a whole journey right just in this exercise.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Let me pause there.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Actually, let's let me stop the share for a minute. So we've been through a lot so far. There's more there's more that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): of the day that I'm going to share with you. But for now, what what are you learning so far, just from what we've been looking at.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What are you seeing? What's feeling, exciting.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what ideas are coming through.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what questions you have, and I want to invite you to not be shy. please share
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you hear your voice. Let me know if this is helpful.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): markleep.
Margalit Grunberger: So much is helpful. But for me, setting up is where
Margalit Grunberger: I because I'm planning a retreat, and I'm having a retreat prep with a group tomorrow. And it's it's the setting up where I
Margalit Grunberger: and weaker.
Margalit Grunberger: Do you mean for the exercises setting up on how? What the intention for the whole meeting is? These are people I don't know everyone, so it it is a little more superficial, and I you know what I mean by that, and I don't need to get as deep. But there are thoughts in my head like, oh, I'll do this, and in business, when I own my
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): company I always talked about missed opportunities which, in coaching it's called Gap so, and you, and you can call it missed opportunities. People understand that language really? Well, yeah. And so you have an example now of how to set up.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Also, if you go back to, and you have a worksheet on a resource sheet. On this to the class, on curriculum anchors. All the steps, one through 3 are the the setup.
Margalit Grunberger: Gotcha?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah, thank God.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): thank you, Barbara.
Barbara Daughter, Becoming You Art: II just love this. I think this is fascinating. And yeah, I'm I'm very much interested in the semantic aspects. And
Barbara Daughter, Becoming You Art: so 1 one, someone asked in the group, and I'm curious, too, about how long this process is.
Barbara Daughter, Becoming You Art: Wh. What I'm kind of like grappling with myself is, you know, I'm thinking of a somatic process that's using painting. But the my new idea is really to do market this to corporations and be working with managers in a group setting kind of thing. So I'm not likely to know these people, and you know I love to go deep. And I'm thinking in my head.
Barbara Daughter, Becoming You Art: will I be able to go deep with these people who I don't know at all? They're, I'm thinking it's gonna be shorter, because how corporations run, or we can let you have an you know, 2 h or 3 h, Max, it, you know. So I'm just kinda like.
Barbara Daughter, Becoming You Art: hmm is my is my general vibe gonna mash. Because I think my general vibe is a lot more like this. Core this, what you're showing us in this curricula. And then I'm like, Oh, is this, gonna you know, is this kind of conflict with who I'm expecting my audience to be? Yeah, there's a lot of questions in there, of course, all of them in terms of just
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): timing of things.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Like, I said earlier. I always add contingency time.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But, for example, like this last somatic piece with the shaking, it took about 1015 min just to set off the exercise.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and then another, you know, 20 min to do the demo.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and then each partner you know, to really give. Now we we had a full day, right? But each partner.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Cycle took 30 min, 20,
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): not full 30 min.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): 20
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): 25 min. We took a bathroom break in there because people not only need to pee, but they needed a break. It's a lot of work right? And then there were a lot of shares in the end. So this, this took a good 2 h. This section.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I was gonna say something else. So it it something like this is, gonna take time also this to answer one of your questions. I would never do this as the first thing of the day, or with people that I just had met 10 min
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): before
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): we worked up. Now this was a group that I had. This wasn't the first time we met also, but I would do this with a group that is the first time we met. But we worked
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): up to this
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): first. II spent the first 90 min of the first day container setting right before even getting to step one that I showed you here, and then we didn't jump straight into this like. One of the the reasons for the journey is, if you are going to do like bigger, deeper things.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You don't. You don't wanna get to it
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): right away. Another tip for everybody. Anything that's going to be
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): like, really big where people go deep, and there there might be anger that comes up, or grief that comes up. You also don't want to do it as the very last thing of the day, or the last thing of the retreat. You need buffer time before you either end the retreat or break fully for processing, and then to do something a little lighter.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): so that people don't walk out with like holding heavy anger. Right? We wanna think of a of a whole
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): journey.
Barbara Daughter, Becoming You Art: Does that answer some of your questions, Barbara? Yeah, that does. And you can. I did send you an email with my idea. And so you. You know you can see Web, if it will fit for what we're talking about today. Yeah, that's great. Yay.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Christine.
Christine Walsh: Hi, so I continually
Christine Walsh: learn how much of the beginning, the middle, and the end. And this journey is just like
Christine Walsh: how important that is. And I have a tendency to sort of like, clip it off, perhaps the end more than anything and really rounding that out so time as as Barbara's brought up and somebody else brought up in the chat is definitely top of mind for me. Of how much time and how much
Christine Walsh: time am I clipping off, or how long things are, or short, things are so just having that
Christine Walsh: float around in my head is one piece
Christine Walsh: the other is as I go through this, I because this is your curriculum. I was trying to pull out the energy of each of the step like where to go with it for me, and what I came to was, I guess the learning from last week in terms of those 4 elements is that
Christine Walsh: something to speak to?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But I am. I am being conscious of activating those 4 levels
Christine Walsh: right? Right? Right? And the idea of like the why in the beginning, that's right.
Christine Walsh: And then, yeah, the awareness for them. And then the embodiment in a way.
Christine Walsh: Yeah, I could. Sometimes I feel like, was this one day that wow, I mean, it's a it's a long day, right? It's 9 to 5 in person, I always say, and
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): oh, my gosh! I just took for Courtney. Just so, you know. In person. We we start in 9 at 9, and I always tell people I aim to end by 5, but we might go until 6. Right? So I just. I have learnt over the years in person. I can't. Sometimes such big things happen that II just I might need to go over. So I let people know
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): ahead of time.
Christine Walsh: Very good.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): thanks, Kelly.
Kelly Melear-Hough: I have a couple of questions.
Kelly Melear-Hough: so it's this is really helpful, I think, going through the entire curriculum. And
Kelly Melear-Hough: I found it really helpful when you told us just a few minutes ago about how much time each
Kelly Melear-Hough: each piece of step 4 tech and the total time.
Kelly Melear-Hough: So if you could help us with that.
Kelly Melear-Hough: you know, and the next steps that we go through that would be great.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'll point it out, and then what I'll do is because you all have this on your resource sheet. Let me make a note. I'll go back on the resource sheet and add approximate times for each of these things, so that you just you have it for the full thing.
Kelly Melear-Hough: okay, that'd be awesome. Also. And I'm noticing that
Kelly Melear-Hough: you put a lot of detail into your curricula.
Kelly Melear-Hough: and usually when I'm doing a class or a workshop.
Kelly Melear-Hough: I have an outline.
Kelly Melear-Hough: I kind of depends on like how
Kelly Melear-Hough: how well I know the material, how much I put into the outline.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): If it's if I'm not as secure with it, I'll put a lot, and if I'm more secure that I put a list of things on this number one, I added a bit more in here as a teaching tool for all of you. I don't. Not. Everything that I have written in this outline is what I have when I'm actually teaching. But I wanted to kind of make certain points for you, for teaching tools. That's number one.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): That being said. I do tend to
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): put more than less in.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But that's my style. I'm a Virgo. I like a lot of words for me. II have freedom within a structure.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): right? So the the kind of the more structured is the more space and openness I have when I'm present. but not everybody's brain, or or soul, or psyche or body works that way. So you just do it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): However, it works best for you.
Kelly Melear-Hough: Okay.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and do you have time for one more question.
Kelly Melear-Hough: Okay, so in my program curriculum that you looked at over the weekend. the first meeting, the first step
Kelly Melear-Hough: is sharing your story.
Kelly Melear-Hough: And so I did have an activity in there where people are going to
Kelly Melear-Hough: Write about their stories like, why they're there. Their pain points right like what's wrong, and that they want to fix in their life.
Kelly Melear-Hough: And then I have a partner exercise and twos.
Kelly Melear-Hough: and then a group share with a few people. But I'm just wondering if that is too heavy for a first meeting.
I think so. Not if you set the container in the beginning and have some kind of
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): before you get to this community activity where different people get to share, get to know each other, so that people are already starting to talk and share and be vulnerable. And because this is a little bit of an exercise where
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): people are sharing like their gaps, or, you know, have the first community exercise be one where people get to reveal their strength, or what they love about themselves or their triumph, so that they know that people are getting a fuller picture, and and they feel more comfortable than sharing more of these vulnerabilities.
Kelly Melear-Hough: Thank you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Thank you. Alright. Let me see what's happening in the chat.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Robin, this was one day of a three-day retreat.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Good. See? Helpful, good, good! Sharon is saying. Very respectful process for individual autonomy and comfort levels. I'm so glad you're pulling on that piece right in that in the shaking exercise each person had full agency to do it their way in terms of what, how they were, gonna get the most out of it, and also what felt safest for them.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I always like to tell people it's okay to be uncomfortable, right? That doesn't mean that you're not safe if you're stretching, and you're uncomfortable. But I make it very clear that it is. You do this your way in a way that is going to work for you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Caroline is asking.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): How did you come up with these somatic exercises? I assume that you had a hypothesis, and then tried it out and adjusted and continued to adjust. But I'm so cognitive that I don't even know where to start. I love this question. Okay, so a couple of things on this, this is so good we get into this. So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): this particular exercise I had seen, not not in relationship to voice, but many years before I had done a firewalk
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and before walking on the fire
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): we did a similar exercise that was supposed to kind of
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that. The intention for that exercise is actually completely different. It was supposed to generate fire inside of you, just like doing shaking so that you you're already one with the fire before you walk on the fire. So I already kinda like I had that in mind. But this is actually a great point. I'm glad that I'm I'm talking it through with all of you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You always want. When you develop an exercise.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you always want to start with what is the point of this exercise? Right? That's why I have you lay out the steps
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and the many steps, and the purpose for everything. So the purpose of this exercise was to release
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): an obstacle, a fear right, a wound.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So we want to be cognizant of that. First, because then we can say. Okay. what
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): if I'm using my imagination? And
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I will also teach more of this. You know I'm giving you examples. You'll have more examples. What are different ways to release.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Right? Well, I can release by writing something on a piece of paper and ripping it up or burning it in a fire.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I can release
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): by flushing something down the toilet
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): we've done releases where I buy like dusters, you know, like to dust your house and and partners, or you can dust things off yourself right like, what? How how do we wanna use the 4 levels and the body like, what? What if I'm imagining releasing what's gonna happen? Right? And so this is one way, get it shaking it out of you. So I kind of
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I go with what's the purpose? And then what is a cool way
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to do that? What is a visual that I get around that I use also my many years of experience with ritual. And again, I'm share as much as I can, you know with you
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): hopefully, that helps
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Courtney's asking how much intentional cultivation of connection between participants versus trust with you. Courtney. Let me know if I answer. I feel like I answered that already in a couple of different ways.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): but let me know if you need more. Yeah, I feel like you definitely spoken to it.
Courtney Reed-Marsh: I guess. Also, maybe a qualifier of this
Courtney Reed-Marsh: question is like.
Courtney Reed-Marsh: how big or small of a group would an exercise like this feel appropriate to to do
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): good question. So I have not done this with more than 24 people.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): When I do something like this, or big shadow work, or whatever it is.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I always have one person, an assistant in the room with me. I am walking around from group to group, tracking
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): both for safety purposes as well as to help nudge things along, etcetera.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'm not saying you can't do something like this with more than 24 people, but if if I were to, I would want more than one assistant in the room with me, so that we were really, you know, tracking people pretty closely.
Courtney Reed-Marsh: Yeah, thank you. That makes sense.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah, good question.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): alright. Let's keep on going. There was still, if you can believe it, a little bit more to this day. okay. So we did this big release work.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And now the pathway was open for the next step, which was.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): we moved back to the cognitive. How do you wanna bring now that some things are more open for you? How do you want to be bringing your voice
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): into your business?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So we did some journaling. I asked questions like.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What would you like to be speaking and using your voice in your business that you haven't been right? And and again I asked people. So in your marketing and your messaging, what would you like to be? How would you like to be using your voice? And what would you like to be speaking
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in your client work and in your groups.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): How can you own more of your voice? What do you want to be speaking about more with your team? Right? Why do you want to be using your voice in each of these things? What will that impact be?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What would you need to believe
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in order to bring your full presence to these things.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What are 2, at least 2 pieces of evidence that this new belief is viable? Now if I had had more time. This is already a very long day, but if I had had more time, I choose to do a different step 6 next.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But I could have gone deeper with this belief piece. I could have had people walk around the room as if they already believed this belief right in order to tie it in sematically. I could have had them do a ritual on it where they maybe put a word that symbolize the new belief onto a rock. Right? I could I could have gone. We could have done a somatic visualization to anchor this belief more deeply into the body.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Ii happen to not do that this time around, but just, you know, to give you different ideas on things right? So that to bring this beyond the cognitive here.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and then the last staff.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): We may have even done this the next day. I'm feeling like this was the end of the day. I can't even imagine that we did another step. Maybe we did.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): was to practice owning your voice in a practical way. So this was the last exercise on this journey.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What I did was, I divided people into groups, search of 2 or 3,
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and when it was your turn, like each person had a turn they got to stand up
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and speak one truth, that they had been lying about, either in their marketing to their family, right to practice.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Speaking a truth from a place of strength
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and pride.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and to be seen in it, and then get reflections from their partners about what their partners noticed as they were speaking the truth, you know. Maybe something lit up in their eyes, or you know their body movement, you know, whatever it is.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So this was kind of like now that we've been through this whole journey, and you know what you want to speak right back from Step 5.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Let's practice it. Speak that new message. Get that? Get that somatic memory
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): of speaking
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the new thing owning your voice in this way
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and then
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): end of the day. We did
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): just overall integration. I asked, What are what are you taking from the day? Just like I do at the end of any session?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And then the rest of the retreat
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that was kind of a setup. The rest of the retreat. We did like hardcore marketing,
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): planning and strategizing right, but each person was then equipped with their voice, and then everything new they wanted to bring in. And this confidence
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to do the strategizing.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay. we got through it. So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'll pause again. Here
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): thoughts, questions. What's coming together?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What's feeling important?
Monisha Mittal, Powhatan Empire, Virginia, She/Her: go ahead, Monica.
Monisha Mittal, Powhatan Empire, Virginia, She/Her: I guess I'm just really struck because I think in making a journey.
Monisha Mittal, Powhatan Empire, Virginia, She/Her: You're constantly faced with choice points, you know, like which thread is gonna get pulled and how, whether how deep we're gonna go or what direction we're gonna go. So I'm I'm really I mean, and you always do this. So it's just like this
Monisha Mittal, Powhatan Empire, Virginia, She/Her: glorious reminder. But I just
Monisha Mittal, Powhatan Empire, Virginia, She/Her: you had a lot of choice points where you could have gone. Once they played with the fear.
Monisha Mittal, Powhatan Empire, Virginia, She/Her: and then you got to choose this arc that
Monisha Mittal, Powhatan Empire, Virginia, She/Her: gave them, you know, that met and gave them the I don't want to say the opposite, but like their their strength and their power, you know, so that they they kind of got to go like this like like this lovely U-shape type of thing. Yes, yes. So there are a couple of things I'm so glad you're showing. This is a couple of things I want to pull out from what you're saying, Monica, to slow down, cause it's important for all of us. So last piece first.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Remember everyone. Monica just said this. I'm gonna say it again, II said. when we think about the hero's journey for curriculum, there is the content journey. Those are your steps.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): but we also want to remember that. That we want to take our heroes on an emotional and an energetic
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): journey.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): We don't want a flat line on one emotion or one energy. It is
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): so exactly what Monisha said, like we kind of went down deep, right? And there was crying, and there's fear, and there was upset right, and we held the space for it. But then we we came back up
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): right with that ending and the confidence and the power right? So there is as much an emotional journey, an energetic journey as there is a content journey and your exercises. It's not the thought leadership steps that are so much gonna create the energetic journey. It's it's the exercises that are gonna do that.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): The other thing, Monica said. And this is really important.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): This could have gone so many different ways and and been amazing every single way. Right? Maybe somebody else in this group is, gonna do a retreat on owning your voice in your business, please do right, and you may even start with looking at fears right? But for your people or for your interest in that particular moment. Then you're you're gonna make some different choices, right? So there's so many journeys
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that these heroes could have gone on. I mean my people
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for each
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): ideal client. You know, whoever you are as a practitioner, it is gonna narrow down. Some of the choices right like. I know my people are all up for shaking, doing all the things somebody else's people might not be but there
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): it. This just goes to show the reason why I'm really underscoring. It is because we're like, Oh, 10 other people are talking about voice in business.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Great hoo-ha! Whatever we're going to do it our way for our people. And there's going to be so much creativity. And it's going to be amazing.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Thanks, Monica.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Who else?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What is feeling important. What do you want to share? What are you observing? What questions do you have.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Kelly?
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): Ii don't just totally thought through, but I'm just thinking about what you just showed us with this big piece where you went really deep, and I think so many in your spaces love to go tee deep and guide people into deep. And I'm just thinking, I mean in part, just thinking very practically about this now, 2 h retreat that I'm leading and
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): how I love to guide people into deep. And I'm also aware
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): a couple of things, one as the time shortens. There's not as much space to do that safely. and and thinking about your frame of the, you know the different levels and sort of what we build in, and not wanting to make it just cognitive and wanting to give them
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): a somatic and emotional energetic experience, and how to do that again safely within that container. And I guess the thing that just keeps coming up. It's been coming up a lot today. And in part I think it's
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): partly who I work with.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): but just with the state of the world right now, and how much division there is, and how many hard things that people feel really strongly about
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): are affecting people emotionally and energetically, and how to create safe space for that expression of what's hard without it becoming
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): and without it becoming a place where there's like
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): more space for shutdown or division, or what have you? So I'm just. I'm just thinking about that. And I'm happy to hear any thoughts, if you have any but yeah, and just the creation of the container.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): or working with the hard things. And like, II feel like there need to be some strong boundaries in that around it to keep it space and to to keep it safe.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): So anyway, I'm those are just
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): reflections I'm having. Yeah, absolutely. So it it's both right. It's
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): it's speaking to it because
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): a lot is going on, and then it is giving
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): really clear guidelines around
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what can be said or not said, to keep everybody safe while still allowing people to be authentic and have expression.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you know I'm seeing it quick. But it's not an easy thing. It's not, you know.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and there might be some
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): like gray area in it. But as with everything, if it is a solid, if you've created a solid container we've already spoken about container setting. We're gonna talk a lot more about it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): If you've created a tight container where there is safety and trust and mutual respect.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Even if
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): something gets said that is hurtful to somebody else.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): there is a way
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to correct that and not correct it to to what I want to say, and then for everybody to actually feel even more connected, and love
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in the circle from there. But it has to start first with a type
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): container. Yeah.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): yeah. And
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): there's so much you know, I'm gonna stop for now. I mean, I could go on. There's so much to say on it, but hopefully got some what you need right now.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Robin.
I guess what's present for me that's unique for me. I don't know about anybody else. But for me I felt like I gave me a really good outline for
Robyn Vogel: for leading class. I know I've been chopping at the bit
Robyn Vogel: and it has to do with the piece of teaching tomorrow in the heal your heart, you know it's a sliver of the whole course. so yay, celebrating that. And then I guess my question is, which again, is specific to me. But like, how
Robyn Vogel: like, how much time before
Robyn Vogel: the big chorus program. Do you recommend doing lead ins like, is it? Can it just? Is it? Is there any wisdom there around like
a month before 3 months before? It doesn't matter. Or
Robyn Vogel: yeah. I mean, I've done the full.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I mean, really, I've done months before, and I've done 2 or 3 weeks
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): before.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): If it is a long program.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the the big one, like
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): 5 months or more, and like to try to do the lead in at least 3 weeks
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): before just to give people time to get it to prepare for, like the
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): big schedule that they're stepping into
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): but, for example, for sacred depths.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): we do a couple lead-ins to sacred apps. We'll do a four-week class. That's 4 months before
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): those people all get free tickets to the 3 week
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): lead in. That's 3 weeks before, you know. So it's we're doing multiple things. I'm feeling that program with 60 plus people. So it's you know it. Take it
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): takes time to generate.
Robyn Vogel: Yeah, okay, thank you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Heather and Emily.
Heather and Emily: Hello, Joanna! Hi, so.
Heather and Emily: And for our curriculum we're working inside an incarcerated setting. and which, even if we have a very tight container. The setting itself
Heather and Emily: makes relief very, very difficult for the women in here.
Heather and Emily: Is there anything you would suggest? How we could tighten the container, fuller or better, or like address. That vulnerability.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I think, speaking to it always. What's what this is, just one cardinal rule for facilitation. If it is going through your mind as the facilitator
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): speak it to the group.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): right? So just in real, not fancy, but just straight up.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Say.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): we know that this environment
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): may not make for you to want to share want to be vulnerable, want to look at
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): places for yourself because of this reason and this reason, and this reason, and this reason
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and number one, we just wanna acknowledge that right like in in the best of world, you may not even wanna be in the course. Right? I know it's like how right? And and you see, like in the best of world, this and this and this and this would be in place.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): That being said.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): there is
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): really like, there's so much value that each one of you can receive
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): from this experience right? And you're gonna speak to why this experience can be so, how they could use it to their benefit, right? For all the things they really want for themselves.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And so, because of that.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): we are going. The 2 of you are going to do our best
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to create. Maybe safe isn't the right word for your people, but as right, whatever space, and then tell them how you're gonna do everything here is confidential. We have certain rules for sharing in place, so that this, this and this doesn't happen all the the
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): ways that they are safe.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And then you can open up for discussion on it right? So raise your hand if you still don't want to share right? And then you get to okay, why and and see if you can address
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): some of the concerns, or what would you need to know or believe in order to make the most
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): out of this experience? Do an exercise out of that?
Heather and Emily: Thank you. Yeah, you're welcome
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): families.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Is that you with your hand raised, Annelise? I can't see, just says Live
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and no, John, it's not me.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Who is that with the pink was that, Tina?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You were looking down? I didn't see your face, Tina.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Oh, you're on mute, though.
Live: Can you hear me now? Yeah.
Live: okay, sorry about that? So I just have a question, because I already had a curriculum made. Before I took this course. It was my pleasure and vitality class on enhancing libido for all women, postpartum perimenopus, and menopausal to increase their libido and somatic exercises that help with that as well as herbals. So
Live: I I'm just. I'm just feeling like I'm confused. How do I take what I made in my old curriculum? Do do I scrap it, or do. I? Kinda like.
Live: hmm, cause I gotta make a new one based on what I just learned from you like, you know, I'm a little confused like where to start, because I already had one. And then now I gotta. I want to make it better.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So yay, that you already have one, I'm guessing. But tell me, if this is true, are there parts of the old one that you really love, that you still feel excited about? Yeah, I mean, the women loved it, but then I feel like it could be better, you know. So so here's what I would do.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I would. Still. I can't remember. Did you do? Beginning an end of heroes? Journey already?
Live: You mean in this course, or in sacred?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): No, no! In this
Live: I think I might have missed one of the heroes journeys because of work. But I can go back and listen to the reporting
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): step One. I would, even though you've already done the course before you can use what you already have. But I would still lay out, at least in short form.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): beginning but definitely end of journey, like right, and based on what you've learned from teaching it before. What are some of the same places end of journey, and then are are
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): their places to add.
Live: and from there, Tina, I would go to your old curriculum
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and based on the new beginning end and what you know you loved and what you're like man. It doesn't feel so alive anymore. Pull out the parts that you love.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): arrange them in what would make the most sense, and then take a look. Are there any other steps that I want to add to make this a complete journey? Just go from there?
Live: That helps so much, because I was like overwhelmed a little bit like, what do I do with this like? Do I? You know what I mean? So one of the shares? I think it was Courtney. Where she's like, you know, I'm I'm actually okay with not having it all done. So I think I'm that person today. So, but I feel at peace with it, cause now I kinda know I can start somewhere, you know.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah, thank you. You're so welcome. Yay.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): alright. We have a couple of minutes left any other questions.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): anything that anybody needs from me
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): or anyone else want to share anything you're feeling excited about. or something that's clicking and coming together.
Monisha Mittal, Powhatan Empire, Virginia, She/Her: I'm just excited about sending you my first draft and then spending the week
Monisha Mittal, Powhatan Empire, Virginia, She/Her: listening to the classes. I missed.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yay. yeah. okay. So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): as a way of wrapping up. Let me ask you a couple of questions. So first of all.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): hopefully, you're taking away a lot from today. But let's
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): kind of integrate a couple of things. So number one on an outer level. What is your biggest takeaway? And when I say outer level, I mean something that you learned about curriculum development or exercise development or facilitation? Or an inspired idea?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So what? Maybe write down one or 2 of your biggest outer takeaways from our time today.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Aye.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what about an inner? Take away so for yourself, right on an inner level.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What are you? What are you taking away personally for you. So an example might be feel excited to go deeper in your exercises.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): or you feel confident that you've been using all 4 levels of learning and processing already.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Right? What's something on an inner level that you're taking from our time today
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): reading the shares in the chat.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): hey?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And then last piece. What's your next step? What's your next action? Step
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for your curriculum?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Alright. Any
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): last piece that anybody wants to share before we wrap?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): That's been a lot today.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Oh, alright! Then
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'm sending you all so much love. and for those of you that will be with us for the retreat this week. Can't wait to spend more time with you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yay.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'll see you soon.