Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Hello, everybody.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Some moment to get here.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): hold on. I need to turn the heat off it's too, hot and the vent is right here.
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Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): let's take a moment. First of all, yay.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): we have 3 days together, we're gonna be looking at business pieces and marketing. I'll explain a little bit more in a few minutes. But let's take
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): a moment right now to get centered and grounded and settled into our time and our space together.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): if it feels right and comfortable for you to close your eyes for a few moments, I invite you to close your eyes. I'm gonna close mine. If it is more aligned to keep your eyes open, keep them open, and go in words.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and take a few moments
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to arr here
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to this moment
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): use the breath to remember your body
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and to come back home to your body.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): bringing your attention to this moment
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): as you breathe.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Notice how you're feeling today without judgment.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Notice what feels open inside of you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Notice what maybe feels a little compressed
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): without any need to change anything in this moment.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): but instead, just giving loving attention to you exactly as you are.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and as you connect to your body
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in this way.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): remember
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): how much wisdom your body holds for you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and honor that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): maybe placing a hand on your heart if that feels right. taking a moment to connect to your heart.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to connect to your love.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): your passion.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): your desire.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): taking a moment to
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): honor all that you hold in
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): your beautiful heart.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and as you do this.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): start to become aware
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): of
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): others in the circle, doing exactly as you are doing right now, honoring our hearts.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and even though we are all
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): scattered geographically all over
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the planet
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): start to feel our sacred container coming together.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): holding all of us for this important work that we're about to do.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and see if you can even energetically start to feel the power
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): of the circle. the energy of the circle.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Taking a moment to take your place
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in it
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): together. Let's all take a nice deep breath in and exhale everything out with a sigh.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I recommend you do it with sound. It feels really good. Let's do it one more time breathing in.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And then, if your eyes aren't open, slowly, slowly opening them up
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and taking a moment
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to see the other incredible human beings
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that are with us today.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): whether you know
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): this other person or not, and if your camera isn't on, if you're able to turn it on for a little bit, please do.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And taking a moment to see
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and to be seen.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Hmm!
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): With this flame we honor all those
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): who have come before us. those whose shoulders.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): We stand on
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): those who lit fires
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in order to feed their families
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in order to bring their communities together.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Those who lit fires in order to remember their fire inside.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): We honor them
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and ask that they be with us as we do our work
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): over these days.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yay, we're here. We make that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): We cleared our schedules.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): We maybe left some dishes in the sink. We
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): said, the email list can wait. The inbox can wait.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and we need space to be here together
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for our work in the world, and for the change that our work is bringing and going to bring into the world and for us.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and I just really am not only thankful and so happy that each one of you are here, and that you've made this time. But I really honor you
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for making this time for you and for your work.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and to look at some of the business pieces which some of us think are fun, and some of us think are not so much fun. But we're gonna do it. We're gonna do it together, and I think we are gonna have
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): some fun.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): no matter where you're at with your curriculum at this point, or where you're at
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): with your business at this point
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): over these 3 days, we're gonna make some really beautiful headway
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): your curriculum in your business.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And, as you all know, life changing courses isn't officially a business coaching program. The focus of it is really to help you put your course together, and to do it in a way that really mirrors you and your power, and for you to do it masterfully, all of those things.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): but that being said, I know that the business and the marketing parts are also important. So as a bonus, we're here
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for these 3 days because I know that it's helpful
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to look at these pieces as well. Obviously this isn't fully comprehensive. You know, business marketing training. But we're gonna be looking at a lot of pieces and getting things done that I believe, and I hope
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): will be really really helpful for you
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and the business work that we're going to be doing over these 3 days is a combination of inner work and outer work.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): at least 50%,
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): if not much more
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): of being able to move forward in your business, or really in and moving forward in anything in your life
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): is about the inner work.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and that is because, as we all already know, it takes effort to grow a business.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): some of the things to do to grow a business are uncomfortable.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And also sometimes they're hard. right, and sometimes they take time. So much more time than we thought they were gonna take.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And sometimes most of the time. They don't work at first, right? All the things right. And it's a marathon, and it's not a sprint there are ups, and there's downs.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): it's so easy to be on that emotional roller coaster.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): or to hold ourselves back from taking action because of all of the ways that it is uncomfortable
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to move forward and take action.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that's why the inner work is so important. Right? The
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the how-to's
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in some ways are almost the easier part. But it's the
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): learning how to stay, grounded, how to stay, regulated, how to be willing to be seen, and stretch
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and take risks. and to keep on showing up even when we're not sure if it's working. That's
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): a big part of being able to move forward.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And it's also a big part of creating a sustainable business.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And so that's why we're gonna be spending
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): today. We're gonna there's gonna be outer things that come of the work today. But today for our first day. We're gonna be focusing mainly on inner work
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): when it comes
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to business and to marketing. And the work today is going to, we're going to be doing some archetype work. It's gonna center on identifying and accessing an archetype that has the exact medicine that you need for your business.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for your marketing for who you are as an entrepreneur we're gonna be looking at archetypes in a very different way than most people out in the world. In the transformational industry.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Talk about archetypes. We're not going to be taking a quiz to find your type. It's gonna be, although I love those. By the way,
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): we're the work we're gonna do is quite a bit deeper in that.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And the reason why we're getting into the business work through archetype work
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): is because archetypes hold energy
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): archetypes hold energy.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And so the work that we're doing today is really looking for the energy, the right energy for you to be using in your marketing.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And of course, as you've all heard me say so many times, energy follows energy. So when we step into an energy that is right for us in terms of our business.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): then it allows so much more shifting to happen, not just in our marketing, but then our prospects that are reading our marketing.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So that's today,
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and I'm really excited to take you through this process. Today.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'll also, as I remember, since we are learning about facilitation in this course. Break down some of the facilitation pieces. As we move. You know that I'm doing as we move through them for your learning.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So that's today, Thursday and Friday, we're gonna move. We're gonna pull all of the energy from today and the archetype work into do you? Starting to get a sales page or a sales letter together, or to up level the one that you already have.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): My hope is that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): over these 3 days not only will you get a lot of good work done in terms of your sales, page, and we're gonna be looking at other things as well, but you're gonna learn a lot about marketing that you can apply to everything that you're doing. And also you're going to learn a process
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for being able
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): at any moment to access your marketing voice
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and the words that you need.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So I'm really excited about that. Of course this retreat could be 3 weeks long, but it's only 3 days. So we're going to do the best that we can.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'm seeing in the chat. A lot of people aren't feeling well. I get it. I'm just getting over strep and a respiratory thing if you can keep your camera on great. But if you're like in bed with the tissues and the tea, and you just don't feel like it. I understand that as well. Take good care of yourself as we move through this time.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Don is asking is the remaining class bonus Wednesday and Thursday or Thursday and Friday. We're here Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday. Did I say? Thursday and Friday? I'm sorry I meant Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): like I shared in class yesterday. We'll be taking lots of breaks
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): about every 90 min. We'll be taking our longer break from about 2 to 3.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): with a little bit of flexibility.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): We're gonna be having a lot of breakout rooms, even if you're not feeling well, I really encourage you to participate in the breakout rooms. A lot is gonna get done in there.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): There might be some resistance.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): not so much today, although resistance might come up today for sure. But I once we start getting it done tomorrow what? There might be some resistance. And I just I wanna call it out and say, as we've already learned, it is normal, right? It is just
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): your Psyche telling you that what you're doing is important to you, and that there's some fears there.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that's all right, and so we'll get through it. And I'm here to hold your hand through it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): We're gonna have fun. I'm gonna keep on reminding you to let go of any myth of perfection.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yes, and all of this is recorded as well. You can always go back to it. And some of you are going to want to to go back to repeat the processes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay. So all that being said, first of all.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): did you all see, we're still setting the container. We're not done with that, but just in terms of facilitation skills. Some things we've already learned. Did you see how I active. I brought us into the space together, talked about what we're gonna do.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I activated inspiration hopefully created investment. I spoke a little bit to resistance. Right? I've already included so many of the elements that we've been talking about.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): let
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): just to get us started a couple of questions.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for journaling first one.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): even if you're not completely sure. And it's fine to be in the mystery. Okay? But even so. see if you can answer this question in a sentence or 2,
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what is your course about?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): No myth of perfection? What is your course about?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): If you had a 30 s to tell somebody else about it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What would you say?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Take another moment with that.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Here's another question.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What are you so far loving
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): about? What's coming together in your course.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What are you so far loving about? What's coming together
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in your course?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Even if there are a lot of things you don't love.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what are the things that you do love.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Take another moment with that.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Here's another question.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay, without judgment, just for you. So you can
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): be aware in in a grounded way. Where are you feeling stuck?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And if you have a sense, what is it that you would like to be different
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in your course right now.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): where are you feeling stuck? And what would you like to be different when we can kind of troubleshoot it from a grounded way, and not a everything sucks and I sucks. It's never gonna work way. Right? That's what we can actually much better problem. Solve.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Take one more moment with that.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Alright. Here's another. Have a couple more questions.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What superpowers? I want you to think about your superpowers? Right? This question is about you. What superpowers are you going to bring
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to your course
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and think about ones that you, if you've been teaching for a long time, ones that you always bring, and then maybe there are some new ones as well that you haven't tapped into
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that you might be aware of. So what superpowers will you bring?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay, 2 more questions.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): How are you feeling about doing some business work at this retreat?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): In other words, what resistance or limiting beliefs are hanging around when it comes to the business side of things.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Clyde. I see you got back in all of the question. I've been asking some journaling questions, and they're all in the chat.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay? And then last question.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): which of your superpowers do you need to activate in order to really be in for this time together and know that you can make progress?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Or which of your superpowers do you want to remind yourself of that? Will let you know
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you can make the progress you're ready to make over these 3 days.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay. so we were talking about this yesterday in class
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in our shorter sessions. We don't have as much time for breakout rooms. Everybody here is so incredible like, I want each one of you to know everybody else in this circle.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So we're gonna I'm gonna break you out into breakout rooms, and you'll have a couple of minutes. I'll tell you in a moment. You'll have 2 min apiece
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to share anything that you want to share that came through in the journaling, or just by way of checking in. But the one thing I do want to make sure that you share is to share what your course is about.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Right? And then, beyond that.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you know, you can share answers to the other journaling questions or anything else that feels important for you in order to be seen. Bring yourself fully here. So you'll have 2 min to do that.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and then 1 min
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for reflection
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): from the people in your group.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): there'll be some groups of 5 and some groups of 4. So people in the groups of 4, you'll have a little bit
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): extra time for that.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Alright. I'm gonna send you on your way, and I'll also send notes on the timing but 2 min to share, and then a minute for reflection, and then move on to the next
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): claid. I assigned you to a room
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): hopefully. It's coming up on your screen.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Alright!
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Welcome back. Welcome back! Was it nice to hear other people's voices and
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): get to share? So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): we have a few minutes for some of you to
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): just share with the bigger group what is coming up so far? Maybe you want to share a superpower or something else that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): is hitting you, or something that somebody else shared. That really inspired you. I was seeing the word inspiring in the chat. Yes, so I'd love to hear a couple shits yet.
Jennifer: Okay, we had the best group. There were 5 of us, and somehow we all got in there and we had the timekeeper and like it was just amazing. I'm just blown away by the women, or or that sorry the people the folks that you
Jennifer: attract into this container. And I wasn't really expecting much. You know. I'm like, kinda Jet lagged blah blah blah. and we just like got to it. Doom, boom, boom! And the reflections from these women. We're just like, just I mean, it felt so on point. And also just like, Wow.
Jennifer: ha! I feel so seen. And that just like that was like 90 s of me sharing. And it just was incredible. Even just to get reflected back and to get like, have to get really focused on in our group. So yeah, it was really cool.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yay, I love it. I'm so glad that you had that experience. And then, from a facilitation point of view, right for our courses. I wanna just pull on what Jen is saying. There's there is something really powerful. And we didn't even get into any deep stuff yet right, ask like pretty surface question, but there's something so powerful about being able to share.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): be seen and heard. and then
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to receive reflections. If the container is tight, right? The reflections that you're gonna receive will help you feel even more seen and heard, which will only motivate you. Your course participants more towards where they want to go. The results that they wanna create right? And also, of course, just help create more of that self love, self compassion, etc.,
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): beautiful. Who else anyone else want to share
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what came through something that feels important.
Monisha Mittal, Powhatan Empire, Virginia, She/Her: Monica? I mean, it was just lovely to
Monisha Mittal, Powhatan Empire, Virginia, She/Her: You know all the different flavors with which the core work is is so similar and and so related, and to to to be with folks who are bringing it out for various different communities, or various different but the the compassion and the awareness it. It just felt like such a
Monisha Mittal, Powhatan Empire, Virginia, She/Her: like a a sisterhood like, you know, like like the these.
Monisha Mittal, Powhatan Empire, Virginia, She/Her: I'm forgetting the professional word. But like your your true people who are trying to do your shared work in the world. It was. It was really lovely. Yeah, yeah, I love that. Yes, there really are so many incredible people in this group. Paula is saying something a little similar the commonality of what we do.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): II do know how to call them in Kelly. so we have one more little piece of work to fully set our container for our 3 days, which will do it in a moment. But before we do, I wanted to see if there were a couple of shares
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): on anything that you're noticing about
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): how we've set the container so far. Facilitation. You know any of those kind of beginning curriculum anchor pieces that we've looked at or anything that you want to.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you just wanna comment that you're seeing, noticing, learning, or having questions on in terms of
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): how we've been setting the container so far.
Rochel Keller: Rahul, did you want to share? Yeah, so actually, we spoke about that in our session.
Rochel Keller: we were amazing how you can create such a tight container. We wanted to get some of that energy from you, and
Rochel Keller: we've gone over it, I think, at least for me. It would be great if we could go over it again.
Rochel Keller: And I know that that's what we'll be doing in the next 3 days. But and what was also very good is that
Rochel Keller: not everybody?
Rochel Keller: It's out there making $10,000 a day. Everybody's at their own place. And it's okay. You know, it's it's just okay. People are starting people in the middle people. It was fine. It was really, very.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): very encouraging to get to know other people as well. Yeah, it is. I mean community. You know, when we in our courses we're not the Us. As facilitators. We're not the most important person. It's the entity of the community that really is
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): good. Emily.
Emily Wright: One thing that I wanna notice, or that I noticed in calling out, and which I found in the journaling questions, where I want to grow into more
Emily Wright: is the
Emily Wright: space that you create, the the spaciousness. I would say you have a curriculum, you have your agenda, you have it, I'm sure, timed out so much for sharing so much for content, but it feels very flowy, not like. Oh, it is 1152. Now we need to move on like, you know. Sometimes I can feel like a task, master. You know my type. A comes out. I'm I'm trying to learn how to.
Emily Wright: I'll use one of our how to soften claid you. Thank you. That's beautiful word like, how do I soften into that spaciousness. So yeah, you do it beautifully. So well, thank you. And so how? How does it happen? Cause we can all do it? Number one as I've shared with all of you before contingency time. So if something is gonna take 60 min, I'm gonna give it. I'm gonna in my curriculum, have 75
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): minutes for it, or 80 min for it, and I'm gonna do that with everything. And if that means I have to take one piece out
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in order to have that spaciousness.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'm gonna do that because process and integration
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): are just as important as the content and the exercises.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Right? So we're we're going
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): always deeper versus wider.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Tell me.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): I totally second that, and it just has me thinking all the time around
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): how much I need to trim, because I love to pack so much in, and I need to leave more space. And I always know what I can cut. But it's it's nice to start with more space.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): The piece that I wanted to comment. The other piece I wanted to comment on, though, was the journaling questions, and how powerful they were to have us really tap in and check in first
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): before going into the room, and then just having that structure to speak off of. But when I found really curious about them was that the super power one? I had a really strong reaction to Nope. I don't want the superpower of always using groups to be my superpower this time, like we're shifting this up and that. It felt really revolutionary and amazing
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): to be like done like, you know that you don't.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): I don't know why, on your calls, whenever I speak it asks me if I'm speaking Spanish, it's so weird keeps popping up
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): anyway, I just I was really struck by it, and I and I was like that. I wouldn't have tapped into it if you hadn't offered the question. So thanks for that. And also, I'm just noting for self, like make powerful journaling questions. Yeah, folks. First of all, I'm so glad that came up, Kelly, that feels really, really important for you. And II wanna pull on some of these things working backwards. So the journaling questions that we did. And
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): again, this is all this first hour, 15 min is all container setting part before we jump into the steps of this retreat.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I wanna give all of you an opportunity to start, to go inward, to start, to bring yourselves here, to start also to connect with each other, which is why we breakout rooms and shares. Right? So I'm always, if I have a 2 or 3 day retreat somewhere towards the beginning, we're gonna do some kind of journaling questions just
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to get things flowing and moving and kind of tiptoeing in.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): A couple of you have already mentioned the time piece and the space piece, and you know I love. How Emily said before taskmaster. And you you echoed some of that, Kelly. There's another piece about this
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that I want us all to think about
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for a moment
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): goes back to energy, follows energy.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Our participants are in our containers, not only to learn the content, you know, of the expertise.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): not only to create the results that we're promising in our marketing. What I'm about to say next, let me qualify. This might not be your truth. This is my truth, so check it out for yourself.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But there's always more that beyond the promised results that I believe as practitioners, we are here to help, give and co-create for our participants.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and one of them is to learn in our containers a little bit more how to regulate and how to have more grounded nervous systems.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): not just because that's what's gonna help our participants better create results. But because we just all need that out in the world.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So the more we can create a sense of space
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): inside of our containers.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Energy follows energy. The more our participants are going to feel more of that sense of space, right? And it's a practice
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to do that for ourselves in our nervous systems.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that helps us move and grow right. So we want to be thinking about that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): right?
Rai Jordan: I have a comment and question that was inspired by what Kelly shared. And let me, I may. I'm gonna do our best to to articulate what you said. Which is that you're really good at at first you mentioned, about which I do to packing a lot of stuff in or wanting to, but you're really good at knowing what to, you know. Take out
I'm not so good at knowing what to take out
Rai Jordan: and
Rai Jordan: in terms of the the. You know my program.
I would like to
Rai Jordan: actually add a few more things in, but that means I have to take some things out.
Rai Jordan: And I've gotten really good over the last couple of years of creating a that energy and that essence of spaciousness which has been really wonderful, but it means that we don't get as much of the practical stuff done.
Rai Jordan: And so people feel amazing in the moment. But I would love to be able to put some pieces in that are more tangible, that they can take away with them. And this may not be appropriate for this moment, and it may not be appropriate for a marketing bootcamp. But this is something that I will support with. Yeah, I love that. You're bringing it forward. I'll offer a few things now and then. We'll have time for more. QA. Throughout to go deeper.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I love what you're sharing, because it is true, like we want the spaciousness, but as in within the spaciousness.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): we don't only want a different feeling. We want practicality also right to get things done for most of us, most of the work that we're doing so a couple of things to think about
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for that number one.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Is it possible to make sessions a little bit longer. Right? So in life changing courses.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): not all the sessions are 90 min. We're going longer on some. We have this 3 day retreat. We have another one. Right? So sometimes it really is.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): It means more time. right?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): That that's one thing to think about.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Another thing to think about is
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): supplemental instruction or recording in between sessions.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): It's a little hit or miss. Some people are not going to do anything in between sessions, right? So those people might miss it, but that's also.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But you know, if you set up from the beginning th, this is an essential part of the program, then hopefully, most people will right? Or can you pull out an inner piece
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and have that be something that people get in between?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And then, in general, just 2 things for now what can we make? Bonuses? Right? What isn't essential on the journey, but like a nice support on the journey, that if people have extra time, right? So maybe that becomes a bonus.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And then there was one other thing I was going to say.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Oh, in all of my curricula that I put together.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I always have one or 2 sections of.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I really wanna do this. But I can cut this if needed, and I kind of know beforehand. Sometimes I have to just make a decision on the spot.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): but I try a little bit beforehand to know what I can cut and what? Not. So some some little tips to play with there.
Thank you. Those are all good.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Good. I'm glad.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay. So one last piece
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to fully set our container together. I wanna invite you to take a moment and get clear on your inner and outer intentions for these 3 days.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So outer intention is, what is it that you would like to walk away with from these 3 days? Let's start with that first.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What is it that you would like to walk away with.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): By the time we're done, Thursday afternoon or evening, depending on your time zone.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the more clear we can get on what we want to walk away with, the more we're able to look for it
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to go for it as we move through these 3 days.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And hey, Christine, I'm glad you're here.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Nina, for Nina's stronger sense of confidence in your invitation. Beautiful. We're definitely gonna be looking at aspects of that.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah, please share in the chat. What's your outer intention. What do you hope to take away
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for? Analyse? To be more confident in your action, and okay with trials and errors beautiful. I love that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you're gonna have many opportunity, much opportunity to practice that these days for Kathy, really authentic and specific language for your target audience as to what they'll gain from your course. We're gonna
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): look very, very closely at that.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah, it's helpful for me to see your outer intentions, too, because, you might have one that we weren't necessarily gonna cover, and it will help me know. So I can do my best
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to bring it in as well
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for Monica. Alignment between your marketing language and your course curriculum. I think that's going to come through
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): her. Kelly
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): sales page content done. We'll try. I can't promise that, but yes, mostly outlined for sure. and we will get into some structure. So I think
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I think you'll move forward there. Language for your sales, Page Kelly. Yes. and we'll continue to look at facilitation pieces for sure.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah, all of these are great. I'm not gonna read all of them out loud, but I'm reading each of them
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): beautiful.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay, great.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And then what's your inner intention for our 3 days? So what I mean by that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): is, what is the energy that you would like to show up with here?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Is it curiosity?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Is it light heartedness?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Do you want to show up with an energy of connection, or
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): confidence, or peace or groundedness.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Innovation. I love that ray. Yes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So what's the inner intention? Usually 1, 2 at most.
Cause. Once you get into too many energies you want to bring. You're not gonna remember any of that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): focus and growth mindset, beautiful
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Kelly, in this, I mean, Don in this contain.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): we're gonna get to marketing and energy. And right after the break.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): These are beautiful. Yeah, how fun can this be? Yes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): proactive. Yeah.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Self-compassion.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): alignment, commitment, beautiful
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): love, all of these.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay, so whatever your inner intention is, I wanna invite you to take a moment to really well, both inner and outer, to really set them. So to take a moment. If it's so okay to close your eyes and don't just have them be intellectual ideas.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But really bring these intentions into your body.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): maybe into your heart, your belly.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Take a moment, and really feel the sincerity of your intentions.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and by these acts and by our intentions we name this space
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): on these 3 days, safe and sacred.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): May it be a safe space for us to play and stretch and experiment with our marketing!
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): May it be a sacred place for us to find even deeper intention around our marketing and even deeper confidence around it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Together we are a living, breathing circle of transformation.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Hmm.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): okay.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): so it's 1220. Let's take 10 min.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'm not going to come back
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): at 1230, and we're gonna jump straight into our archetype work. so I'll hang out for a minute or 2 if anybody needs anything. If not, I'll see you at 1230 Eastern.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): hey? If you are back from break if you can
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): put your camera on. Just so. I know that you're here
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): so weird with Zoom taking breaks, and then you don't know people of that or not.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay. So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): we're gonna start to dive into the inner work for today, like I mentioned in the beginning, to to really get the marketing juices flowing, and then really set us up for all of the sales page work we're gonna be doing on Wednesday and Thursday.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): we're gonna start. I'm kind of sharing all of this with you. I wouldn't necessarily share this if it with people if it wasn't this course. But since we're in a course about courses.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): We're gonna start with the cognitive as we get into the archetype work. And then, as we move through the afternoon, we're gonna move more into some of the other levels of learning and processing. We'll start to hit some of them before our big break. But just just saying so that you notice as we move through.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And we're gonna start here with a question which is.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'd want.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Want you to identify
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): one of the biggest challenges you're having right now
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in your business or your work. So let me just give you some examples of this. So you know what I mean.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Maybe a challenge you're having is that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you're not putting yourself out there at all. You're just not marketing. or maybe a challenge you're having. Is that your marketing? Inconsistently sometimes? Yes, sometimes. No.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): maybe a challenge you're having is around raising your rates.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Maybe a challenge you're having is
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): my mind just went blank
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): is around really speaking your truth in your work, like the things that you really want to be talking about, whether it's in your programming or in your marketing.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Right? So what's one challenge that you're having right now? And when you know what it is, please share it in the chat. It's good for me to see. And also so we generate different ideas.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Want to make sure, Annelise is saying, want to make sure my truth is also marketable right? So the challenge is, if I really speak my truth. it might not be marketable.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Good for Emily, not putting yourself out there with marketing consistently. And then the message isn't clear. Yeah.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Nina, saying all of what I said, sharing truth
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for Kate. creating my email list email lists. not marketing consistently. Yep.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): not sending
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): newsletters on a regular basis, speaking truth.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): making offerings, haphazardly
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): holding back on marketing it all.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Umhm. Yeah, not sure what enough actually is fantasy.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You're not the only one, Courtney.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay? So maybe you've identified more than one challenge.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I want to invite you to pick one. Remember one of the pieces. The many pieces we looked at yesterday is
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): again. I'm kind of peeling behind the layers of this curriculum for you. If you wanna kind of get to a deeper place instead of having people work on 3, 4 things. Pick one thing as an example. Right? Don't get too worried of. Am I, picking the right challenge, we're gonna we're all roads will lead exactly where they need to be.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So what is the biggest challenge for you right now? Pick the biggest one, the one that feels most important to to take a little bit of a deeper look at.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And I'm gonna tell you the next question. And then I'm gonna give you an example.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So that you know where I'm going with this.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): whatever the the top challenge is that you just identified.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I want to invite you to just write down all of the fears and unhelpful beliefs
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): around this challenge.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So let me give you an example. So you're gonna write down all of the fears and the unhelpful beliefs
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): around the challenge. So, for example, let's say your challenge that you chose is around raising your rates.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So here might be some of the fears and unhelpful beliefs that come up. I know these are some of mine. When I feel stuck around raising my rates.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I won't be able to sell the program at a higher rate. It simply won't sell
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the work that I offer won't be valuable enough at a higher rate. My business might fall apart if I try to raise my rates, and then nobody's gonna buy.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): People are gonna get angry at me because they feel like I've taken advantage of them. And I've asked for so much money. People are gonna judge me for having higher rates.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): The Referrals are going to stop rolling in, because if I raise my rates, my clients aren't going to refer me to others. I'm gonna have to add so much to my programming to make it worth it
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): at this higher rate. And also
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): it could be unethical if I raise my rates
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): right. Do you see if I'm giving is, does that helpful to think about? So? For whatever the challenge that you chose, just make a laundry list of all of the fears
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and the unhelpful beliefs
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): around that challenge all the stuff that goes through your head
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and your your body. About this.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'll put this in the chat. The example I just gave in case it's helpful.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Right? Just get it all out from your head and onto the paper. All of the concerns about that challenge. Why, you know.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): even if it's a belief that you know better, right? Like, I know my business isn't gonna fall apart if I raise my rates. But every time I think about raising right like first, there is that initial thing right? So even don't be smartypants about it. Even if you know better. If if it's something rolling around for you, that is, that is part of the challenge. Write it down.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Don't use this to make yourself feel worse uses for awareness and no judgment.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and take another half minute. See if there's anything else any other fear or unhelpful belief
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): around the challenge.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Alright. So let's pause here for a moment.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'd love to hear share or 2 on what's coming through so far, maybe something that surprised you were something that really feels important
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): so far. What are you seeing so far?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Who wants to share?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'm going to be asking for shares a lot, so don't hold back.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Monica.
Monisha Mittal, Powhatan Empire, Virginia, She/Her: Well, I guess the one that scared me. I mean, that surprised me.
Monisha Mittal, Powhatan Empire, Virginia, She/Her: Freudian slip.
Monisha Mittal, Powhatan Empire, Virginia, She/Her: was
Monisha Mittal, Powhatan Empire, Virginia, She/Her: like, I don't wanna have to
Monisha Mittal, Powhatan Empire, Virginia, She/Her: create something new all the time. It's a lot of work to to even do it the first time.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What was the challenge?
Monisha Mittal, Powhatan Empire, Virginia, She/Her: Well, I make my offerings rather inconsistently, and I like to have them in my body before I offer them, and to get things into a predictable schedule. You know
Monisha Mittal, Powhatan Empire, Virginia, She/Her: that that was the challenge
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to get well, I just wanna make sure I understand it. To get things into a predictable schedule for making offers. Yeah, to have multiple offerings through the year on a predictable schedule. I see. So one of the fears around that or challenges around that is
Monisha Mittal, Powhatan Empire, Virginia, She/Her: creating the creating it right? So it's like it's gonna take so much to create it. And and then, you know the reality, is
Monisha Mittal, Powhatan Empire, Virginia, She/Her: it? It actually takes
Monisha Mittal, Powhatan Empire, Virginia, She/Her: a lot to find the bodies to, to to fill each one?
Monisha Mittal, Powhatan Empire, Virginia, She/Her: So I was trying to find this. I am trying to find this Nirvana where I could have more or less like a repeatable course, and then, you know, spend the time on marketing or something, but that all feels so
Monisha Mittal, Powhatan Empire, Virginia, She/Her: tiring. Yeah.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): so this is a good example. Right? It's like.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): there's this idea. And it does take work to market, like, let's say I want to be honest. But there's one of the there's for Monica one of the feels like, oh, it's going to be so tiring, right? And so then it it just like it kind of cuts you off from doing the thing
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): good. Courtney.
Courtney Reed-Marsh: I just noticed how the first time I came through was like this massive, existential kind of thing that that kind of like
Courtney Reed-Marsh: looking at it. Now, I'm like, oh, okay, yeah, clearly, that's there. But it wasn't at all what I was expecting to come through
Courtney Reed-Marsh: and just noticing like iterations of that same like noticing how many of the the little obstacles that I can name, that I can say like, Oh, this is a thing that's in my way, and it feels real, and it is real to a certain extent, is actually just an iteration of this deeper story that's not actually real and that when I can notice that, and orient to it differently. It's like, Oh, that's that is a practical
Courtney Reed-Marsh: issue. But it also can have a practical solution rather than feeling like this massive wall. Yes, yeah, I'm getting chills, even as you're sharing it right? Just
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): every time you're having the challenge. Even, we're still gonna do so much more today. But even if you can just remember what you just said and reorient around that poof, right? That then probably the next piece will flow.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Right? Yeah, thank you. Good.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Helita.
Kellita Maloof: I only the the the challenge is.
Kellita Maloof: And I realized, yeah, reaching out to make connections with hubs, meaning
Kellita Maloof: folks who lead groups of people who have an overlapping interest, and vibe with me, and what I'm sharing
Kellita Maloof: you know, not reaching, not reaching out.
Kellita Maloof: because I'm afraid.
Kellita Maloof: very scarcity thing of oh, that even if it's a great fit.
Kellita Maloof: and it would be wonderful that then those their people wouldn't have the resources
Kellita Maloof: to also engage with their work. I mean feels embarrassing to say it's just so. I'm so glad that you're
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): articulating this for yourself, right? Cause it's around there, and it's holding you back from making these connections. And I even, II think, flavors of that Khalida, are holding you back from other things in your marketing in your business as well. This probably is not going to be money. I'm gonna take from someone else. It's too much to ask, right? All of that right? So just from this one
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): looking at the hubs thing, you can kind of see this this block and in the different places. So what's the word, the slip.
Kellita Maloof: the slack, the the block, the the one block. Thank you. Yes, thank you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Good Anika.
Anika L: I
Anika L: my challenge is understanding marketing
Anika L: and the fears are doing the exact opposite of what I should be doing.
Anika L: Not even knowing how to start.
Anika L: I have to look at the rest of the road, doing it wrong not doing anything at all.
Anika L: pushing people away instead of attracting them.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah. So common to feel all of those things, and it's you can see so clearly, then why you don't get started or know how to start all of that good
good
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Jennifer.
Jennifer: this is very insightful.
Jennifer: A
Jennifer: mine has to do with
Jennifer: like the the resource of time, space.
Jennifer: boundaries, my brain energy, healing. All of that, and kind of like this? Am I not ready?
Jennifer: And it has this idea behind. truly embodying it all which I feel like I am like. and not necessarily having all of my life
Jennifer: live ducks in a row.
Jennifer: For instance, I live in a group house, and I'm like, I know, I need to live alone. If I'm gonna birth this
Jennifer: thing. And I need more space. And just like my brain, I'm doing a lot of brain healing right now. And
Jennifer: and it's just like
Jennifer: I could be ready. But it has. This. This big fear which I've talked to you for the last year about is burnout, and
Jennifer: being really afraid that my brain we'll like
Jennifer: shut down because I've I've healed from a Tbi, and I'm feeling from a breakup, and it's just like a lot. And at the same time. I know it's like
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the Phoenix is rising. Yeah, you know, and it's both things are true. You it's important to have space right and to take good care of yourself.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and also where is the fear of overwhelm? Then crossing over into misaligned things that are holding you back? Right? So it's
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): good to continue to look at it. We're we're gonna we're gonna keep on going with it. I think in a way that you'll really like. But I'm happy that you're seeing this again, and the the piece also, like you said you are embodying the work.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and also there is still some not good enough that I'm hearing or not enough. It's important to acknowledge that to be able to work on it.
Good thanks.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Christine.
Christine Walsh: Yeah. I wrote down so the challenge was the marketing, and consistently and what came to mind first was that the consistency is like is consistency is boring is what came to me and it actually, as I was sitting here thinking about it, it's this idea that
Christine Walsh: seeing online services being marketed the way they are and how it feels a misalign for me at times many times feels like that doing what everyone else is doing, that it's supposed to be consistent, or this is what you should do like that was the deeper is
Christine Walsh: not what I want to do, and I want to do something else. I sort of become this like rebel child around it. So that was the deeper underneath it all fear that I'm going to sound like everybody else.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Fear that I'm gonna end up doing it like everybody else. And is there? What's the fear underneath that if you end up doing it like everybody else?
Christine Walsh: Yeah.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): okay, I'm gonna take Ray Kelly and Paula. And then we're gonna keep on going with this process.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Ray.
Rai Jordan: So initially, I was gonna do
Rai Jordan: the piece about increasing my rates because everything you said like so resonated with me. But then I set with
Rai Jordan: let me
Rai Jordan: try something else. And so what came up for me was around, visibility
Rai Jordan: being seen and like what to say.
Rai Jordan: and the visibility piece. I've really worked on a lot this year, as you, as I know you know. I mean, I used to not even like to be on camera. I would get so much anxiety like even in in classes with you.
Rai Jordan: So now it's really like like, what do I say like, what do I say on social media like? I usually send newsletters whenever I'm doing an offering, and pretty much nothing in between.
Rai Jordan: you know. So what do I say in newsletters? What do I say in social media? And then, with the social media piece, you know best practices have changed so much. And people are using like graphically designed means. And you know, just there's so much. And it's like, it's overwhelming to me.
Rai Jordan: And then what do I say? In a way that's unaligned with me? That doesn't really focus on like pushing people's pain points. I know you have to do that a little bit. But that so does it resonate with me the way that people
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): focus on pain points. We're gonna tomorrow we're gonna get deep into that. You're gonna feel so much better and have a little, a different way
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): of doing it. But good! It's I'm glad you're getting to these pieces. So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): it's almost like part of the archetypal energy that is leading for you when you're stuck is.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I can't be seen, cause I don't know what to say. And if I say something, it's going to be unethical.
Rai Jordan: Yeah.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Good.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Kelly.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): Okay, everything that I just said. And I think the I, too, was like, Yes, do. And I know you wrote that whole thing about the the raising the rates from my email. But I, chose a different one, which is actually the place that I've been spinning a lot which is really
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the place I've Kelly just to stop you, Kelly. That was written over a year ago, anyway. Keep on going.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): But the one that I chose was around making decisions around this program, and like the structure of the link, the amount that I wanna charge. And then how much content. And it it's all kind of together, because I know what I wanna offer. And I know the energetic of what I wanna offer.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): and the the place that I am just struggling so much is
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): I feel like I'm having to fit it into a box in order to make it work for the right. Now, when I have a vision of where I wanna take this, which is much bigger, and we can go longer, and we can go deeper. But I don't have the people right now. So all the pieces about the marketing and visibility, and bringing people in and having a small audience.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): I feel like all of that is like bringing me to this place. If we're gonna do a smaller thing, and then we'll do it again. Then we'll do it again, instead of doing the longer thing that I'm excited about
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): and then it's just getting me kind of caught in the
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): in the place of what do I? What can I bring this integrity? What can I promise? I know they need more than 9 weeks to do what I wanna do with them, or to guide them through so but I also I know my people, and I know that signing on for a 6, 9 months, think is a big stretch, and they need a little, a little little wind, so I think.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): and then and then multiple pieces there. But that that's like the big
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): thing that's coming up is feeling like I'm fitting into this box for the right now, when I have this longer vision of what I really wanna really want, like the some of the archetypal energy that has been leading your way is the II need to fit into the box
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): as a sidebar. You didn't know you felt that way. I was curious when you
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): decided to make it the 9 weeks, and I get that. Maybe 6 months is not possible for your people right now. I just wonder if there's a middle ground not for you to start from Scratch Kelly, but I just heard you say
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what you're really excited about
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): versus not. And so I just wanna reflect that to you, I think just with a few tweaks.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Paula.
Paula Ackermann (she/her): yeah. So mine was the fear of putting myself out there like in a totally new way, and like
Paula Ackermann (she/her): kind of in that very public eye, and the you know, the whole Instagram thing. And that right I so relate to that I have to do might have to do videos. And I don't have to do videos. But I could, you know. But then it kind of went into my fear of criticism, and then a fear of my power, and that's my hero's journey. And so it's like, this is just the next step in my journey, able to do this work with people.
Paula Ackermann (she/her): So it's very. I just, I think, looking at this as part of my healing just feels really powerful.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I love that. I'm getting shows beautiful. Yeah, really, really nice
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): love that. Okay, let's continue with this process. So when you look at all of the fears and unhelpful beliefs
that you identified.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): can you ask the question. And I'm gonna give you example. Again.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): who is the archetype that has believed all of this?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Or another way of asking that question is.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what is the part of you that has believed all of this. Now
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I tell you what I mean by this, and give you an example or 2. So when I say, who is the archetype? We're not going by any set archetypes that anybody out there has identified. You. Get to make this
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): right. This is adapting it to you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So if I go back to the example of the challenge around raising the rates right with all of the fears of I won't be able to sell at a higher rate. The work I offer won't be valuable enough. At the higher rate my business will pop fall apart. People will get angry at me, etc., etc.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Maybe the archetype inside of me that has believed all of this. I could call it the I'm not valuable one right.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): or maybe I could call it the scrappy one, right, the one that just thinks I can get the scraps and nothing more out of life.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So don't overthink it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But for you. who's the archetype
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that has believed all of those fears and limiting beliefs, the the what one? What's the adjective or phrase that you would use to describe
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that part of you
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for that archetype.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Maybe it's the one who thinks you need to the the hidden one
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): right. Khalida saying, the muted one Paula saying, the scared one.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Paula, because fear is kind of such a a big thing. Can you add an adjective to the scared one based on some of the fears or the beliefs
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in there.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Just something to think about, Kelly. Same with you with the shapeshifter. Is there an adjective right? This archetype that's been leading like that's been holding you back, the the one that's been leading the way
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for Suzanne, the unworthy one, the impostor for Annelise, the outsider looking in the redheaded stepchild for Christine, the confused one, the lost one, the criticized one.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): The witch burned at the stake
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that I am worthless. One, the incognito. These are all really great, that I'm not wanted, one that I'm not worthy enough, one not experience not smart enough.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the obedient, sacred child! Scared child! One, the unworthy imposter! Yes. yes, the hidden one. Paula. Good. Okay.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): whatever this one is for you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): First of all, I want you to orient with love towards it, not with shame or judgment, or hating on it, or wishing it away. Take a moment to just orient with love
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): on this one.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): even if you don't want it to lead the way anymore. Right? We don't want them to lead the way in our marketing anymore. But still love.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And let me ask you this, how has this archetype, this energy, this part of you
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): protected and served you up until this point?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): How has this
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): archetype, this part of you
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): protect it protected and served you up until this point?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I promise you it has
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): yeah. Kept. Do hit in and save.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So bringing a take another
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): moment with this.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): whatever this archetype is that you identified that has been leading the way. want you to take a moment with it. If it's helpful to close your eyes, you can close your eyes
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and just take a moment and honor it, right, honor it
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for protecting you up until this point.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Honor it
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for serving you in some way
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): up until this point
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to give it the honor
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that it deserves.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): we're gonna keep on with the process.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Now I want you to go back to each of the fears and the beliefs
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that you identified.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and for each one I want you to jot down next to it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What does your higher self
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): want to say about each fear and belief? What does your higher self want to say so. I'm going to give you an example
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): back to the example I've been working with about the raising rates. One of the fears was, or beliefs was, I won't be able to sell anything at a higher rate.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Well, maybe the Higher Self says you can't know for certain until you try.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): If you try, and it doesn't work out. Then you can always lower your rates right? So notice how my higher self wasn't like. Of course you can sell at higher rates. It's a surefire thing. Go, go! Go right. That's not really the higher wisdom, at least for me.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So for each one of those fears and beliefs.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What is the higher? What does your higher self. what to say about each?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Don't make it rainbows and unicorns. If it's not rainbows and unicorns? Right, the the truth. the highest wisdom, truth about each.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Keep on going so for each one.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What's the higher wisdom.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Paula? I just saw you crack up at yourself.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you know it's good when
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): right in, like a minute and a half I'll ask for some shares so you can absolutely bring that forward.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Take another minute.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Robin, did you get all the questions? I don't know if
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): no. Okay, let me send them.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): There's a part one and a part 2.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay, let's pause here. I'd love to hear some shares. What are you seeing? What's feeling important? What's coming through, or what do you have questions on? And please if we haven't heard your voice yet. Love to hear you. If we've already heard your voice, I'd also love to hear you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Paula.
Paula Ackermann (she/her): I'll share my funny moments. One of mine was I'm not an expert. And then what I wrote for my higher self was something about I'm getting there. I'll be an expert in compared to 95% of the other people out there. I am
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Ray
Rai Jordan: after I asked the question, and you made the comment, something came to me, and I'll share it.
Rai Jordan: You can try it out. This is about the fear of criticism.
Rai Jordan: You can try it out, and you can always go back to being incognito.
Rai Jordan: There are spiritual teachers who are incognito. They serve people well, they make money.
Rai Jordan: and if that's what you really want, you can go back to that.
Rai Jordan: But is that really what you want? You wanted it then. But is that really what you want now?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I love it. I love it. And just to get it another piece of the fear of the criticism.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What does your higher wisdom want you to know about you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): or your safety, or what's going to happen to if you get
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): criticize.
Rai Jordan: that's where the spiritual bypass kind of comes in. And that is that.
Rai Jordan: And it is true I'm stronger than I realize. and I'm stronger than I was before. and this is just an opportunity to trust that and to lean into that.
Rai Jordan: and it might be a workout, and it might be hard. It probably will.
Rai Jordan: And
Rai Jordan: just move through. It
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): doesn't feel like a bypass to me that doesn't feel like it's all rainbows and unicorns. Even if you get criticized. write that down because I think it's important. If that feels right for you
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): it does. It was until you asked me the question, and I was able to speak more, and I was able to go past the generic kind of spiritual thing and put some more depth to it. So thank you. Yeah, beautiful. Thank you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Josie.
Dr. Josie: Yeah, for every one of like my beliefs and fears they were. So when I realized as I was going down and they were so absolutist, it was just like, Yeah, I only have this one chance to get it perfect, and there's no other options. And and and my higher wisdom came in and was like, Well, you can always try it out this way, and then lower the price. You can always shift to another offer. If this one doesn't so like it opened up
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): all these different options. Instead of having this really, really narrow thinking about it. So it amazing we get and we don't realize it because our thoughts happen so quickly. Right? We get into this narrow, absolute, perfect black and white thinking. And then we just believe it. We believe that's true, that there's only one chance. There's no other option. And then that's what leads our decisions and how we feel.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But really there's there's a very different truth that can be at play.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah, it was really cool. And and my, my! My archetype was like this shriveled up little mouse sitting by its mouse hole. But then it turned into, like all of a sudden, like this huge open, like the world is in front of me, you know. And so can you feel that difference, cause we're talking about energy. Ultimately, here I see a difference in your energy, just even as you talk
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): about it. And we want to be leading from that kind of energy. Right for you. Yes.
Dr. Josie: cool
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Anika.
Anika L: For my higher self. Okay. So I was confused and lost one
Anika L: the archetype. And what Hi yourself was saying is to follow my intuition
Anika L: that it's never led me astray before.
Anika L: To start with what I know to do with period. It'll it'll be right for the right people.
Anika L: and I'll attract exactly who I need in that moment.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Hmm! I love that. I love that so much.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Where the neck, the where we're going next is, I'm gonna ask everybody to identify, based on all the work that we've done to identify an archetype that you want to be leading the way in your work in marketing. And so one possibility, I hear for you, Anita, is the intuitive one, right?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You use it so much in so many other areas of your life.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So it's it's so there for you, anyway. Just one possibility. Thank you. You and Caroline.
Caroline Holke: Hi, Hi,
Caroline Holke: I just thought it would be funny to share, because the first thing that came to mind when thinking about the archetype was
Caroline Holke: okay. I'll admit I'm a Swifty. I've become a swifty this year because of my daughter and so it was like the pre reputation, swifty or pre reputation. Taylor Swift was the archetype that came up, which is like the rejected one.
Caroline Holke: because of all the think, all of the thoughts, beliefs about nobody cares
Caroline Holke: And so I just thought it was funny that that kind of came up. And yeah, going through the
Caroline Holke: the exercise of looking at what would my highest wisdom say?
Caroline Holke: yeah. Much more creative than the the initial
Caroline Holke: catastrophizing.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): rejected one. Yes, yes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): right. But when we're not aware and we're not resourcing this other wisdom, it's this other energy that leads our way and then dictates our decisions and how we feel and what we do or don't do.
Caroline Holke: Yeah, thank you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Good. Thank you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay. So as I said, where we're going next is the the next question, based on everything that you've seen so far through the work we've been doing today.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): If there was an archetypal energy that you wanted to call in
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to help you
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): with all of this. What would it be and give you some examples? So and you get again, you get to make it up
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): right? So maybe, for based on the example I gave with the raising the rates, maybe the energy that I want. The archetypal energy I want to call in is
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the ethical one who knows her value
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): right?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Maybe the archetypal energy I wanna call in is Oprah's energy. Maybe the archetypal energy that Caroline wants to call in is more current energy, right? You get to make it up.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So if there was an archetypal energy that you wanted to call in to help you with all of this.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What would you call it? Right? What would you call that one.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Robin? It's not. We're not looking at specific. Everybody gets to choose their own through the process.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Kalida is identifying
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the tree archetype, deep roots, expansive branches. I love that.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Christine, you're in it. Inner, Tina Turner. I love that, too.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for Annelise. the compassionate one. Yes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): hurray, Sasha Pierce! Yes, I love it
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): so perfect
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for Darlene, the one who steps fully into her power. Beautiful and, Darlene, this is just a toss. You might like the way you worded. It just is, or it might be the one who is fully in her power
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for Kim, the brave one who believes in herself. Yes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for Sharon, the loving and learning one
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'd I'd love if everyone was willing to
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): share your archetype in the chat. It's will also help me track you as we move through the process
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for Kathy Brene brown energy, because she's always very real. Yes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): willow tree archetype. I love that. We have tree more than one tree here the powerful one.
Yes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Kanye.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the archetype that can close make decisions. Yes, the wise choice maker. Yes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Kalita, I actually wanna encourage you to go with the first one. I ha! I have a sense, because it came so organically. You can go back on this process with it, but because it just came up so organically. III want you to go with that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the Angel of Abundance flying with her power. These are all beautiful.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yes, yes, yes, yes, everybody. Okay.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Anyone who needs help identifying the archetypal energy you want to bring in
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): anyone need help. You all got it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Paula.
Paula Ackermann (she/her): I'll take some help.
Paula Ackermann (she/her): Yeah, what did you so brave? Came up.
Paula Ackermann (she/her): expansive, came up.
Paula Ackermann (she/her): and but I but like II love some of the names that are more like names of people or goddesses or tree. You know. II want something that's more energy.
Paula Ackermann (she/her): more the energy than a literal word.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay, I'm not always great with the it would. This process will work with the literal so first I will just offer the brave and expansive one like when when you can, you feel into the energy of that one, and I think it's what I want. I just want a fun word for it. I don't think I can help you with the fun word.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and maybe we'll find one throughout the day. Okay, any ideas, please. Anyone. Message me? Yes. Send Paula something in the chat.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Kelly.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): Thanks for asking that, Paula. That's a little bit, were what I was feeling, too. I
I got. I'm actually wondering if mine is too shape shifty cause. It was like all these different parts, kind of forming together.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): and the first one I got was just this, like feeling of just, powerful presence. And then I was like seeing her like summoning lightning and like moving things with her hands. And and then she's like standing like Queen, and then she's but she couldn't be a queen or a tree, and I love trees, but I was like, no, that's too still, she's got a dance. So then she started like hip, hop, dancing, just. There's a lot of
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): different energy in there, but like a certain command to it. But I'm wondering if it's me being shapes when you first identified like the more not so helpful to the shape. Shifter is because
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): right like, and every archetype has a spectrum that I wanted you to add, like a little bit of a negative adjective there. So that right? So because I think some of the shape shifting Kelly is also your super power. So it doesn't surprise me.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But based. But like you're saying, we don't want to just keep on with more of the shape. Shifty. So based on what you shared. I'll reflect, I I'll toss this. Tell me if this resonates. The first thing that you said was powerful presence, and so I'm thinking of
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the the powerful one with flexibility.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So that the it leads with the
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): powerful like grounded, I don't know, if that's a word that right, but it doesn't limit you. Does that resonate as a like tweak in the energy? There
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): a little bit. I think there's like
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): some real fire in there, but it's like it's grounded fire. But then it has like room to to move like the flexibility feels nice. But she just felt like Bendy. But there's something about like
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): the dancing with
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): questions, I think is gonna help you, and then you can go back to it. But yes. So if the fire and the movement are important. Notice how it's a different kind of movement than the original shape, shifting, though right, the original shape shifting, is like a plop and give up
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): kind of movement. Th, this has a different
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): energy to it. That totally. Yeah, that is perfect. That totally helps. I see it. Thank you. Okay, good. You're welcome.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay. Now, what I wanna invite you all to do. And I promise you like, these are all we're taking it slow with this, because I really want to move each one of you into understanding your archetype even more so that you can use it for what you need.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So next is, I want to invite you to write out.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You don't have to write it out like a paragraph. It can be bullet points.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): a description. I'm putting this into the chat, a description of the archetype. So what are their traits and energy? I have female language there, but use whatever language is right for you?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What are their traits and energy? What are they all about? What do they believe? What do they know
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): who are their role models?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay, so take a few minutes to
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): make this archetype
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): technicolor really round this one? Out with these questions.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): take another minute.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): A.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Was that enough time? Or does everyone need another half minute. little more time
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in ball. And Robin, were you able to catch up? Yeah, okay, good.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So I wanna give you opportunity to share and process all that's come through so far.
and to get reflections on it. And then we'll come back to the you know, the bigger group and share.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Annelise, did you raise your hand for a share? Did you have a question?
Annelise Pesa: No, no, just share, because I have a problem with my sharing at the moment for what I thought.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So I wanted to get out tonight. I'm gonna let you I love that. You know. It's good. I'm gonna let you first share with your group and have them help you and give you reflection, and then, if and then, if you want, you know when we come back to the group. We can also look at it, too.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay, good. So they're gonna be some
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Kathleen just left. I may have to.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Oh, no, that was perfect cause. She was in a group before. So now it's all groups of 3.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So you'll have
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): 4 min. A person
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I recommend saving at least one of those minutes for reflections from your group.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And reflections are what really moved you as you were listening to your partner, speak
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): a place, maybe, that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you sense. Oh, there's another aspect to their archetype that maybe they didn't mention, that you might want to toss to them and things like that.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): okay,
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So there's gonna be one group of 2 also. So if you're in a group of 2, you'll have a little bit longer. If you're in a group of 3 you've got 4 min a piece.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): enjoy, enjoy. and I'll keep time for you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Jen. Are you there
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for everyone to get back.
Yes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'd love to hear some shares. What's coming through. What are you seeing and noticing? What are you?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What's feeling important? What are you liking about your archetype involved.
Inbal Sansani: I'm going to celebrate that. I, even though I'm like. maybe at like 65, 70%. And Ms.
Inbal Sansani: You know more than an hour I jumped in and I don't have like a name or anything but what resonated for me, and like the group, is
Inbal Sansani: like being both opinionated and open. so like having confidence and trust in myself.
Inbal Sansani: And, you know, being able to hold, you know, to really embody that, like both, and all like. I can be clear about my opinions and still open
Inbal Sansani: 2 other things. but you know so like less with like the disclaimers and all of that
Inbal Sansani: but also like what is it? You know?
Inbal Sansani: What is it to be like? Opinionated from the heart?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yes, I just got chills for you, as you said, that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): because all of those disclaimers are holding you back from being more visible and present in your marketing and in other ways, and this idea of being opinionated from the heart that that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to me in ball cause I know you very well.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I think that is part of your true essence when when you are in your absolute best places.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And it is part of your power, too.
Inbal Sansani: Thank you. Yeah. Cause I'm real. It's like, there's things that I'm so clear on. But I feel like if I can't write a whole thesis. then, like I can't share them right, and who has time to write a whole thesis for every marketing thing. And so then you don't at all right.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So I love this. This opinionated with heart, knows that she doesn't have to get to all of the disclaimers and all of the things, and if this, that, or the other thing
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): it's, it almost feels like
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): there is a trust in your reader
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): when you're opinionated from the heart that that they will understand that you're not covering all the basics.
Hmm.
Inbal Sansani: thank you. Yeah, thank you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Emily's.
Annelise Pesa: So I had a beautiful time with Darlene and down, and I think we circulated this energy. But I'm still quite stuck in owning
Annelise Pesa: what I wrote, and it just when I was writing it. I just felt a resistance in writing what I wrote.
Annelise Pesa: and it was my.
Annelise Pesa: you know, compassionate energy, so I wasn't embedding it properly.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What's the resistance?
Annelise Pesa: Well, well, Annelise, I'm sorry. Take it back before you tell me. Tell us a little bit more about the compassionate energy I wanna understand more about. So what I wrote is what she's all about.
Annelise Pesa: And the first part resonates. It's about, you know, like like she, the compassionate energy. She's like a river flowing with life, but going everywhere, not afraid to go through the fall, the trees, the rocks, the drought, the flooding, the boundaries of the river, but so does she go through the sky, the freshness of the water, the landscape, the sun, and the moon
Annelise Pesa: and the animal she quenches, and here I continue to write. But I started to feel something which wasn't flowing, and you know, because the river quenches the first of the animal and all the nature that surrounds her, and
Annelise Pesa: that nature is fed by her, and through her exist generative energy. And I just felt really unease in writing that.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah. Why, what's coming up around that?
Annelise Pesa: That I just can't embed my power for some reasons you can't. What say that again. I just can't embed my power for some reasons, and I get stuck and sabotage myself when I'm trying to.
Annelise Pesa: yeah, getting to that place of
Annelise Pesa: expansion and generative energy, and
Annelise Pesa: it fail it. There are. There were traits that felt like was narcissist or
Annelise Pesa: or like, and I don't know why it just really hit me a lot.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What about it? Felt narcissistic.
Annelise Pesa: But you know, like, when I was writing, I was thinking, why you to write that you are a river, and you know everything exists because of you when you know you're you know, Jan, or you know, why did you write this?
Annelise Pesa: And I just wanted to write it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah, what's the part of you that's judging the part of you that wrote it.
Annelise Pesa: The fact that
Annelise Pesa: I cannot be powerful. There was that poem of Marianne Williams, and that was saying.
Annelise Pesa: you know you can be powerful beyond measure, or it started like that. And I just can't, you know, like it's just too much, and it's
Annelise Pesa: fear of success. Fear of
Annelise Pesa: yeah, asserting my.
Annelise Pesa: the possibility that
Annelise Pesa: things can assist through me. And I'm the conduit.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): first, I just wanna make really honor you for being willing to even look at all of this right? This is
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): big stuff and deep stuff and such important stuff, and the fact that even that writing came through Annelise.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I mean, I don't even know if a year ago you would have allowed that even that writing to come through.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): let alone getting to the point of judging it right and being upset and right. So huge progress.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And can we take a moment and just honor that part of you that's scared
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): of your success and of the power it's it's
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): kept you very safe until right now. Okay? And over the last minutes, the last 20 min. It's like, -oh! Annelise might not be listening to me as much anymore. Let me get a little louder. Right?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Right?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Is it okay to take a minute or 2 to go a little deeper with it?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Is it okay to close your eyes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): feel near groundedness connect to your seat.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Just notice where you feel that fear inside of you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Where do you feel it
Annelise Pesa: in my belly?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah. beautiful good. You're doing really well. and at least hold space for that fear in your belly, as if you would hold space for a client or one of your kids
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): really hold space for that fear with a ton of compassion
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and love.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Let us hold space for the fear.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): No need to change it, or make it be any different than it is
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): just like we wouldn't change a client or try to fix it right.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Hold space for that fear with love and compassion.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and ask it from its highest wisdom. What does it want you to know about that second part of the writing
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): from its highest wisdom?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What's coming through
Annelise Pesa: that? I don't need to to force anything that it just that I just need to be
Annelise Pesa: receiving. And
Annelise Pesa: it comes a little bit through the fact that
Annelise Pesa: of. Maybe, also, there are some
Annelise Pesa: interlinks with the relationship with my mom.
Annelise Pesa: but
Annelise Pesa: it just if I just
Annelise Pesa: embed the river which I wrote that goes through, you know, rocks and
Annelise Pesa: poles, and but it goes through the sun and and
Annelise Pesa: by just
Annelise Pesa: that flooring. Yes, yes.
Annelise Pesa: So yeah, it's a power.
Annelise Pesa: And and our the power doesn't have to be like a self referred power
Annelise Pesa: like I was taught.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): It's that.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Let the truth of all of that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): drop in annelise
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): feel the truth of all of that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): inside of you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Can you feel that?
Annelise Pesa: What does it feel like
Annelise Pesa: builds the truth?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yes, yes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I can feel it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Let yourself continue to feel that, and notice what
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): it feels like this river that you've been
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): writing about. and the power in it. Notice that feeling inside of you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Where do you feel that?
Annelise Pesa: Yeah, in my throat?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What does it feel like in your throat?
Annelise Pesa: Speaking my truth.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): lean into that. make a body memory of that.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and of this new kind of power very different than what your mother taught or modeled for you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah.
Annelise Pesa: yeah, she modeled more than
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): okay. And when you're ready you can open your eyes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Really, beautifully done. What's feeling important from all of that
Annelise Pesa: that this has been ruminating for 20 years? Yes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): yeah, I can. I feel even though we're across the world. I could feel that energy opening up for you
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): right now.
Annelise Pesa: Thank you. Thank you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Everyone. Deep breath. In
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and out.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): We're gonna go a couple just a couple minutes past 2. I'm gonna take Jen's raised hands.
Jennifer: That was incredible.
Jennifer: Thank you for your vulnerability, Emily's. And
Jennifer: yeah, I'm gonna send you a a goddess in the chat. I'm feeling very goddessy today.
Jennifer: And speaking of what
Jennifer: yeah, I mean that I got so much out of that just feeling that the goddess, that her archetype that really is coming through for me there's 3
Jennifer: but the most powerful or most prevalent is Kwanya, and
Jennifer: and for me she's just
Jennifer: unconditional love. It's like that nourishment. An understanding. Yeah.
Jennifer: And the other very prevalent one was Sarah Swati. She's
Jennifer: she's known as like the Hindu goddess of creativity, and really good with words, and also musician and
Jennifer: self-expression.
Jennifer: and the third was Durga, who's like very all about boundaries. She's got a sword she's like
Jennifer: out to. So to to cut away what's not important, really to focus. And these. This, like trifecta, was so important for me in that
Jennifer: my creative outlets are that nourishment
Jennifer: and creating boundaries. You know the structure creates the freedom to do that to focus, and that this is like practicing what I preach
Jennifer: along with that Kwanyan nourishment of like all my parts, are welcome, and she also mentioned, you know.
Jennifer: just one step at a time.
Jennifer: and that could mean just as much so for myself, nourishing myself with my creativity. And that's just as important as
Jennifer: that, putting out this program.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And I know all that. But it felt deeper today. Yeah, I'm so so glad all of that came through. Really beautifully done.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): As we move after our longer break, we're gonna start to do some writing and use the archetypes in some marketing writing.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): so if it's helpful. It might not be, and if it's like.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): gives you a brain suggestion. But it could be helpful to come up with a name for an umbrella for all 3 of those
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): instead of const like thinking or moving to like all 3, unless that's easy for you. In which case all good.
Jennifer: really beautiful. Thanks.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay, so in a few minutes we're gonna break.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): If you are wondering what all of this has to do with writing your sales, page, I promise you. As we move into the afternoon, we're gonna understand. More and more we are gonna start to get into some marketing writing in the afternoon
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): as well as you move through your break, do whatever you need to do. But there's a couple of things as usual. I always say, don't spend the whole time in front of the computer. Nourish yourself, take good care of yourself.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But the other kind of light assignment I want to give you over the break is
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to just be thinking about that new archetype, that energy that came through to feel into it, to to be with it. You might wanna take a a short walk with the energy and and see how you move as you take your walk outside with the energy and then we're gonna come back and we're gonna we're gonna keep on going.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So we're take a little longer than an hour. We'll come back at 3 15 Eastern.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): we'll keep on going. And I'll hang out right now for a minute or 2. If anybody has any questions, if not, I will see you at 3 15 Easter.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I hope that you all had a good break
and had some space.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and that you were able to nourish yourself.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I would love to hear what's moving through you from the morning. What's feeling
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): or morningish? I'd love to hear what's moving through you. What's feeling important. What are you seeing
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what's
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what wants to be shared?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And if we've already heard your voice.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'm so happy to hear your voice again, always, always, always, and also, if we haven't heard your voice yet, I'd really love to hear your voice. Sharon.
Sharon Epstein: Hi! So my! The archetype that I started with with was the rejected one.
Sharon Epstein: and the new one was the loving and learning one. So I took your advice and walked around in that energy for a little bit.
Sharon Epstein: And what came through was standing taller.
Sharon Epstein: a really big smile on my face. Yeah, and the sense that you're I am loved. You're loved. That was the message that I heard. So I'm feeling happy. I guess maybe you know part of me wants to cry, too, because that's so affirming. But it was. It was really lovely. So thank you for creating that experience.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah, you're so so welcome. I see it on your face. And as you were just describing that archetypal energy, Sharon, I couldn't help but think about your work, which is that you're coaching parents.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And I feel like
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): already inherent in your work. You're helping parents actually feel that archetypal energy that you just described and bring that to their children. So yeah, I just feel so beautiful that it's coming up for you in in this context.
Sharon Epstein: Thank you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yo
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in ball.
Inbal Sansani: I just wanted to share a sweet like
Inbal Sansani: kind of synchronicity that
Inbal Sansani: I took a break, and then when I went back, I went to. I saw that Roxanne, gay like, had come out with a new sub stack, and I'm reading it. And I'm laughing. And I'm like, Yeah, like, I love her and all of her books, and like she literally has a book called Opinions.
Inbal Sansani: It's so good opinionated, so opinionated, and she's so confident. But it's like
Inbal Sansani: she's not unkind. She's just like, Yeah, I'm not meant to be like for everyone. And like in this newsletter she was wrote about one thing, and she's like, Yes, I'm biased, and I'm right.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I always love the magic and the synchronicity that comes through. It's so good, it's so so good.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Thank you. Thanks for sharing Nina.
Nina von Feldmann: Oh, I'd love to get the name of the author again.
Nina von Feldmann: And yeah, it just asked the question in the chat, and my mine is really simple, but I'm I was actually really grateful to be able to share my brief synopsis at the beginning of the call this morning, and to connect with the group that I was in around, that I had.
Nina von Feldmann: I had quite a simple and clear download again. It just all kind of fluttered out, and that was very, very helpful. It was a bit of a breakthrough, so I appreciate it a lot
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'm so so glad you don't have to share at all. But I'm wondering if you want to share a little bit about what the breakthrough is
Nina von Feldmann: well, the breakthrough, you know I'm I'm kind of approaching. It's
Nina von Feldmann: I don't know how to phrase this, but I'm approaching this program from just letting it wash over me, because I know I'm going to be gleaning from this for years to come. As I craft. I have many programs that I'm stacking with kind of a
Nina von Feldmann: a flow in mind, and I'm studying with someone right now, and because I'm studying with them, I don't feel proficient, and so I don't feel like I can actually speak yet to the thing other than my own personal experience.
Nina von Feldmann: which is really what I'm going to draw on, because I'm not going to show up as an expert in this field and I am an expert in my own field, so it's couched within the. So if it's been complicated all along, because I have these programs that are couched within each other, and I think I keep dialing it in. But the one that I'm most passionate about is the one that's actually affecting me. And that's about sugar addiction. And
Nina von Feldmann: so it just the the concern about not being an expert around. Addiction
Nina von Feldmann: is what holds me back, because I know it's a big ball of wax to hold space for people, because it goes so deep and so that imposter piece. But I but the self care piece, I got that. So actually being able to name the program and give a brief definition around it, and then flesh it out a little bit more from the I'm coming at you from the expert position. I'm coming at you as somebody who's on the journey with you
Nina von Feldmann: in my own experience it just all kind of made sense in a much better and bigger way. And so the opportunity to share with the group was really helpful.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I love that so so beautiful, and it's just such a simple but powerful shift. so so nice, so glad. Yay.
thank you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Who else? What's moving through you? What's resonating? What's clicking? What's coming together?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What questions do you have that have come up through the work today.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Robin.
Robyn Vogel: I'll share
Robyn Vogel: I was, you know. I jumped in towards the end of that piece, and but
Robyn Vogel: lo and behold! The the unworthy one showed up and the piece around like raising rates and having a really high end program, or pricing my program at a very
Robyn Vogel: high end without any judgment.
Robyn Vogel: just brought me like in so deeply to where? That it's not a new limiting belief. but and neither is where it came from, which is that my mother died when I was young.
and I still hold this
Robyn Vogel: part of like.
oh, gosh, yeah, it's really there.
Robyn Vogel: thank you for the love Courtney.
Robyn Vogel: just the this belief that I've known, but I haven't touched a little bit around like not being worthy enough for her to stay.
Robyn Vogel: even though I know, like in my mind, that's not true, because I know that it had nothing to do with me.
Robyn Vogel: I also have a spiritual belief around her leaving, which has to do with her serving me and my soul evolution in this lifetime. So my higher self was able to tap into those when you were asking those questions, but
Robyn Vogel: and not but and this piece of like that just still there. And I realize, like when I think about
Robyn Vogel: going like all out and like really charging my worth.
Robyn Vogel: What comes up for me is what other people will think, and the judgments that I project onto them that I know are my own.
And
Robyn Vogel: yeah, I'm really ready for this to like, have. It's time and and shift, and
Robyn Vogel: it's so good to know that that's like it, you would say in shadow, I might say in exile part, that's.
Robyn Vogel: you know, still, like driving the bus running the show sometimes, or more than maybe I'm aware of, and
Robyn Vogel: stepping into the compassionate collie, who. you know, is unapologetically, you know herself, and
Robyn Vogel: cutting with ease whatever doesn't serve, and just like staying aligned and true, and not letting the outside influence.
Robyn Vogel: you know, feels really right. And II definitely like I took a long walk, and I, you know, felt her energy, and I felt it as I was writing it, and as you, I can tell, and, as you hear, like
Robyn Vogel: this
Robyn Vogel: other part still has, you know, some processing to do around it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And that's okay. I'm not judging that it just is. Yeah, it not only still processing, but there are probably certain moments where it's very necessary for you to have this part
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and lead with this part right? Not as many moments as you're leading with it now, just like
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in there, and maybe in a in a different way. But we're not even looking to get rid of this part right? We're just looking to, to use it in a different way, and then let that compassionate collie lead
Robyn Vogel: most mo more often than not. You asked like, How does she serve? You know. How does this? How is this archetype serving? And it's like. you know, she keeps me safe and protected and comfortable.
Which is nice. Thank you very much. And
Robyn Vogel: yeah. it's it'd be nice to be uncomfortable and just see what happens.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Absolutely. Absolutely. I toss something that will either like ding, ding, ding, or not at all, and you'll know. But just in case it's
Robyn Vogel: helpful and more awareness
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what you described around with your mom and the fear of
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): not being worthy enough for her to stay.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and I think in some ways it can also be applied in the flip
Robyn Vogel: with the raising of your rates. In other words, is there a part of you that is scared, that your
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): clients and community are thinking that you're going away. If you raise your rate. you know that that you're out of reach, that it's like
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): like, I think it's both. I think
Robyn Vogel: it. You're yourself and your mom in the situation with the raising of rates. Something right? Yeah. I mean, I guess I was thinking that there's a fear that they'll go away because they'll be like, Oh, she's well, no, I know that's the obvious. But I'm saying, Is there also? The other side is also probably there. Right?
Robyn Vogel: Yeah, yeah.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'm so glad that all of this is coming to the fore for you to go deeper to process, and to be more aware to not let it lead as you raise your rates as you do marketing. All of that.
Robyn Vogel: Thank you. Thank you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): everyone. The little girl from across the street is ringing my bell, cause she thinks yeah, Ella's home. Let me just tell her. Yeah, Elle is not home. Hold on 1 s.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Sorry we have like a girl gang in my neighborhood which is really really nice.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Kathy.
Cathy Norris: Well, I just wanted to quickly rip off what involved in a little bit, because
Cathy Norris: when I wrote. think
Cathy Norris: the answer to what is my who are my archetypes? Role models? Weirdest thing! I wrote Emerson.
Cathy Norris: I don't think I thought of
Cathy Norris: Emerson, Ralph Waldo Emerson
Cathy Norris: grade school or something, but I remember I liked him. So I just Googled
Cathy Norris: Google him and found. And my hold, my whole theme is connecting. And I found this phrase in Wikipedia.
Cathy Norris: He believed that all things are connected to God, and therefore all things are divine.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Hmm!
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And I really really embrace that I can just see on your expression and your face how connected you are to that, and how that moves you. Yes, so we want more of all of that to come through your market in one way or
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): beautiful
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Kelly.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): So our break coincided with my monthly thing with my nervous system teachers. So I just went and did this like nervous system hour, which was really awesome. And somewhere in between the you giving the assignment and being in that class.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): Excuse me. And then what Robin was sharing. There were just a bunch of things that sparked. But one thing was that
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): with my sort of fiery, grounded.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): powerful one who has it. It's like something about fire and dance was something about her actually
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): opening up a bigger space. And what I've been trying to do is like box things in. So they're all like neat and and nice, and I know, and I can plan, and it feels
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): regulated. And I was like, I don't really wanna feel regulated.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): My God! It's still talking to me about Spanish.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): I but it was something about like the fire that can move through, I think. When Robin mentioned Kali and I was feeling into the fieriness of mine, too.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): and the pricing thing as well. But it was something about like not being too bound up. And this this, like archetype, doesn't want to carry boxes. She wants to like flow and and light things on fire. And we were also talking in class about the volcano that erupted last night and just saying how it was like.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): Okay, maybe like that little release is gonna help like it's not neat and tidy, and neither is the nervous system and healing work like, I don't wanna be all stuck in a box, and then I just had this. I was like, but people won't come. And then I just I just saw this vision of like, what if you extended it, and did one day retreats. You still get to go deep and long, and you can do them repeated with like little snippets of support in between. And suddenly.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): I don't even know that that's the structure, but it just it released the valve of pressure around the structure and gave me some space to be like. Oh, it could look totally different, and it doesn't have to be all tight bound up, and guess what I could offer more things in between.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): and it would be a bonus. So anyway, I, of course, want to pick your brain about structure. But that was what was coming through. So I wanted to share that.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'm so so glad to hear it for so many reasons. And yeah, it's like
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): This is for you and for everybody. I couldn't consult that to you. Right?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You had to
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): come to that by softening the beliefs by stepping into the energy.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You're welcome.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Robin. A volcano in Iceland erupted last night.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Paula's moved from brave, expansive, powerful, expressive, more of a growth edge for you, beautiful
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Kate is making a beautiful distinction
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): between the fact that each one of us is priceless and invaluable, and that our worthiness is something very different than the price we put on a project. Yes, so so true.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay, anything else that wants to be shared or spoken before we keep on going.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): here's what I wanna suggest
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to all of you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the archetype that you have identified as the medicine for you, and the one that you're working with
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): has
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): a lot of wisdom.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): not only for you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): but for the people that you're meant to work with.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that that archetypal energy
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): is actually one that your clients and future clients
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): would benefit greatly from hearing from.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that makes sense so far.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): The other thing I want to suggest that goes along with that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): is that this archetypal energy that you're working with
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): holds for you an essential part
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): of your unique
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): marketing voice.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): It's okay. If your brain isn't totally getting that, we're gonna demonstrate it. I saw Robin. Yeah, we're got it. So we're we're gonna we're gonna play with that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): moving forward.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So yeah, I'll repeat it. So the archetype that you're working with the one that's medicine for you is actually also medicine for your prospects and clients
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and community.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): They have something that archetype has something very important to say. That's number one to those people.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Number 2.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Part of your essential marketing voice
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): is connected to the archetype that you've identified.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and the more that you can lean into the energy of this archetype that you've started working with or continuing to work with today. The more your marketing is going to flow, because it's not coming from all of the old fears and beliefs.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But it's coming from this energy.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Whenever I sit down to do any piece of marketing. I don't just like I was just in the kitchen, or eating lunch, or on a client call or or finishing an email. I don't just flip over and then start marketing the the writing I write
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): it's excuse. My language was kind of crap, you know. It's not coming from
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): a more a deeper place, and a more powerful place. and a more connected place. When you go to do my writing.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I take a few moments to connect in cognitively, emotionally, spiritually, somatically. to the archetypal energy
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that has the wisdom and the voice that wants to be shared.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And then that's where the writing comes from.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Let me pause on that. We're we're gonna start moving into this in practice, but just love to hear what this is sparking for you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): or if you have an example of when this has happened for you
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): no shares. I feel like there's one. What is the spark gate for you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Rahul?
Rochel Keller: So it seems like the first part of it.
Rochel Keller: Your alignment is gonna resonate with the people that you resonate to people who don't resonate with you are not your clients. They're not your target audience. It's a mutual symbiotic relationship.
Rochel Keller: But the second part of unique advertising
Rochel Keller: is something that I can't get.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): We're gonna practice. It's all an experiment. Yes, yes, right. And then the other piece of this is always. Everything is always back to energy, follows energy. Right? So what is the energy that you're in when you do your writing cause? Energy follows energy. Not just when your people are in front of you or not, just when you're with your clients. But when people are reading your marketing.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): right. So we want to be very conscious of the energy that we bring to our marketing as well.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Ray.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): are you there, Ray? I just saw you on my screen, and then you disappeared.
Rai Jordan: There you are.
Rai Jordan: full transparency, and I'm probably not the only one. I'm still
Rai Jordan: trying to absorb everything you said.
Rai Jordan: but it feels right. So I'm going with it. Okay, that sounds good. We're gonna we're we're well. That's why I'm asking for shares so that we can more deeply absorb and process, and we'll go into the practice. But tell us in a sentence the most important piece
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that you're taking from what I just said, in your understanding, whatever it is.
Rai Jordan: you know. Actually, I raised my hand because what Rahel said really resonated with me, and what I'm taking from that around this piece for me around. You know I can't erase my rates.
Rai Jordan: If we, if our medicine is our message and we share our message in the marketing, and as she said, it draws the people who are for us, they will see such high value, and what we offer that it mitigates maybe not all, but a lot of the hesitation and reservation and judgment or criticism about what we're charging.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah, that's right.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): That's exactly so beautiful.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Nina.
Nina von Feldmann: So my archetype was a tree, and it's drawing from really deep light. So down into the lava, and it's also drawing from cosmic light. And it brings this light into its limbs and shimmers, and is able to do all the twitchy bits that I'm
Nina von Feldmann: I feel so twitchy sometimes, and the trunk is the solid wisdom piece, and my my imposter hiding person.
Nina von Feldmann: is being trumped by the tree, and what I heard was speak from the tree place, and I'm like
Nina von Feldmann: duh, and and then you you asked for an example, and I'm like I just I did. I had a hole coming out on my fiftieth birthday, where I just said, I actually drew from that archetype because I stood in front of a pretty large group of people bringing a very cosmic concept that I just said.
Nina von Feldmann: excuse my language, fuck it! I'm just gonna bring it. I'm gonna bring it raw and real the way that I see it and go ahead. Le, you know, throw darts at me, but I was able to invoke that tree so thank you so much, for just like.
Nina von Feldmann: you know, upsetting my compass so I can bring that into my work.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yes, you already know how to do this. You've done this at your fiftieth, and it's it's about bringing it to your work as well.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Thank you for the reminder I'm being. Today's full of reminders. It's just like it's all clicking right now. So thank you, you're so welcome. I'm so so happy! Yes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Amy is saying in the chat be the energy of the transformation you are offering. Yes, yes, yes, yes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Anika is saying. We see the interconnectedness in all of this. Yes, yes, good. Yeah. And for Kelly, if you try to force the writing, it lands flat, and then you don't send it out.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Exactly.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay. So let's put this into practice. Everything is always an experiment, right? No myth of perfection. We're we're gonna try this and and see how it goes. Are you up for an experiment?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Little bit of play?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Imagine if we could bring more play into our marketing writing, and when it seems so dreadful.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So I'm gonna tell you what we're gonna do.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And then I'm gonna lead you step by step through it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So first I wanna give each of you opportunity
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to step. Some of you have already started practicing even before our lunch break you were feeling the energy of the archetype coming through some of you practice during lunch wherever you're at. With that I wanna give you an opportunity first to step more into the energy of your archetype.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): only as much as is right for you, some of for some of you. You're ready to jump straight into the energy of the archetype, the medica, the medicine archetype. If that's you, great
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for some of you, it's there's there's a lot of fear there, right if there's a lot of fear there
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): tiptoe in right here. Have to step all the way in for this to work like just as much as is right, for you. Stick a finger into the energy. Stick a toe into the energy, play
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): with whatever is stretchy enough for you to to, you know, just to get to your next place.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So we're gonna give you opportunity, first for a minute or 2 to move into the energy as much as is right for you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and then from there
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'll lead you, you know I'll take you step by step, through
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): writing from your archetype. Your archetype
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): is going to channel words through you
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and write a letter
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to your client for your course, to your ideal client for your course.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and we're gonna kind of get into some different pieces of that.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and we'll see how it goes
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): sound good. any questions before we start to move into the process.
Rochel Keller: Yes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): yeah. Is this a a letter to invite them into your course, or to tell them what you're, you'll see there's going to be different things. But it's really just a letter. It's what it's going to be as a letter sharing what the archetype wants your ideal client to know
Rochel Keller: about themselves, about the world, about the course, you know. We'll see how it, how it goes, not about me, about themselves.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): about them. And I'm gonna lead you through it. So don't don't start thinking now in your head what it's gonna be we? We wanna see what the arc, the archetype might say. Some of the things you might say. But don't let's we'll we'll go step by step.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Courtney. That's a good question. I'm not sure exactly how long we'll be writing for, but probably about
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I don't know. 7 min. That would be my guess. 7 to 10.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay? So first, to move into the energy of the archetype.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): If it's right for you to stay in your seat, stay in your seat. However, I do recommend
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): standing up
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): walking around the room. There's something about movement that as you start to move, you can feel the energy more if you want to turn your camera off for it. If that helps you feel more comfortable to just do whatever move into it. You can do that.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You might want to do a minute of authentic movement. Close you stand up, close your eyes, draw the energy in, and then just feel
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): how the energy wants to move. This is kind of up to you, but I'm gonna give you about a minute and a half to start to call the energy in or find it inside of you and move with it a little bit. Really explore this energy in your body
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and what it feels like.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): so I like to start by closing my eyes
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and focus in on the energy that you're calling in.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): It's like you're calling it in and finding it inside of you all at once.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): No need to overthink it. Just bring it in.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and if you're moving around your room you can just start to almost walk
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): around the room with each step. It's almost like you're stepping more onto the energetic pathway of this archetype. You're feeling
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): this archetype more in you through you outside of you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Really take it slow. Let yourself move into this energy.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): If it is an expansive energy, feel expansive.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): if it is a fierce energy, field
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): snacks.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): if it is a still energy. Feel still.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): see if you can step in even more, bring this energy in, draw it down into you, and find it inside of yourself.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): maybe even find it from the earth as well.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And then, if you're moving, I invite you to
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): come to stillness
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and
feel. Stay standing, though
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): feel the energy in your body, whether you're standing or sitting, feel the energy.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And then one more piece here. If this energy had a stance.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what would the stamps be, and put your body into that stance. Is it arms up, reaching towards the sky? Is it wielding a sword? What! What is the stamps really move your body
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): into the energy, the stance, and the energy. Here?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Is it a holding, a hugging hands to your heart? Right? What is the stance of this energy
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): beautiful. And then from this place you can come to your writings.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the first invitation
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): is you're gonna channel the words of your archetype, right. So ask your archetype to write through you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to write
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): almost like a love letter to the ideal client for your program.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So letting them no ask your archetype. What do you want
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the course participant to really know about themselves?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And you can start with the dear one if that makes sense like writing
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to to your people right, and ask the archetype to write through you. What does it really want your course participants to know about themselves?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): This is like journal writing. No need for any perfection or grammar.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Just keep on writing.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Don't really think about it. Just let the archetype channel work
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): keep on going, and if you want, you can ask this, add this into the mix.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): reconnect with the energy of the archetype. Really be in that archetypal energy, and ask it to tell
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): here future course participants.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what it wants them to know about their ability to create results.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the results that they want.
Robyn Vogel: What was that last question.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what does the archetype want? Your prospects or
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): course participants to know about their ability to achieve results?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): We're gonna keep on going in a moment. But II wanna pause. Now
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): finish up the sentence that you're writing
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and take a moment to yeah, Khalida, we're going to go right back in, I promise Come back
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): into the energy of the archetype you're working with.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So take a moment, re-center, draw
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the energy of that archetype, find it within you, come back even more to the energy of the archetype.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Really feel it. You might want to come back to your stance for a moment. practice this energy.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and then you can go back to the writing. Ask the archetype what more it wants
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): your prospect, your your participants, to know.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What does it want them to know about their fears.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What does the archetype want them to know about the fears that they have.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Courtney? It turns out I lied. We're writing for more than 10 min
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): continue to connect in with the energy of the archetype
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): really feel it's energy, it's wisdom. It's a voice
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and ask it to write through you
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what it wants
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): others to know about the course that you're putting together.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What does it want
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): your ideal prospect to know about this course, and why it's for them.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'll give you about 3 min to finish this and see what else wants to come through.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What does the archetype want others to know about this course, and why it's for them.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): If you get caught in your head, come back to the energy.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): pick another half minute and wrap up. and maybe ask the archetype. Is there anything else that it really wants your future people to know?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And so you'll have
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): about 2 min if you're still finishing up your writing. Finish up your writing. If you've finished up, I want to invite you to read through
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): everything you just wrote and take it in. And
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): yeah, read it through. Take note
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): another moment.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): A.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So what we're gonna do is I'm gonna send you off into breakout rooms again. This time you're gonna have opportunity to share what you wrote. If you want to share and
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you're gonna have brainstorm time when it's your turn.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So with your group, you might want to share a little bit about what your course is about, just briefly. and then share the writing.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and then my suggestion is to then have some brainstorm time
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): around pulling out messages that you see in the writing that you know are really really important
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for your prospects, or you know, for people to hear in your marketing pulling there might be full pieces of a paragraph, or in there whatever that can just be inserted straight as marketing writing right? So look at the writing
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and see. How do you wanna use it? What are the messages? What are some of the points that came through that feel really important. You know. Look at it from all of those angles.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Is there one defining message in there? Or there may be a couple of important messaging points in there.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So we're gonna take some time with us, everybody.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Well, hold on, let me see. Let me just take a look at the groups here. so we're gonna have
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): groups of
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): 3.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I just need to move some people around because somebody left hold on 1 s.
Great
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): perfect. Okay?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So each person will have 8 min. And I'm also gonna kinda hop in and out of the groups as well to see what's going on. If I come in, and you don't want me there, just let me know, and I will not be offended in any way, and I'll hop right back out.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): so each person will have about 8 min enjoy.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Hey?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): If you're here.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): turn your camera on. So I know that you're here.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You know we're getting to the end of the day.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Alright.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'd love to hear some shares. What
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): are you seeing?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What are you noticing either in the writing that came through or about this process that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): we've been working on today. What
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): inspired ideas are coming through?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Where do you have questions?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Who wants to share
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): no shares. I feel like there are shares. Another half minute.
Kelly Melear-Hough: So for me. The process of writing from the perspective of the archetype allowed me to
Kelly Melear-Hough: say things that I probably wouldn't say ordinarily
Kelly Melear-Hough: that would that would that I would think we're to something right to
Kelly Melear-Hough: flowery, or to woo, or whatever
Kelly Melear-Hough: allowing myself to use that voice. It was kind of fun and kind of freeing.
Kelly Melear-Hough: and I think II wrote things that
Kelly Melear-Hough: maybe are better than they would have been if I hadn't
Kelly Melear-Hough: use that perspective.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): It's the the the coming from a different energy. It really. It can shift a lot of things. And I love that things came through that you wouldn't
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): necessarily right from your cognitive.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you know, place and yes, sometimes things that come through the archetypes. We might need to shape it a little bit, you know. Maybe it's a little too much this way, a little too much that way. But even so, it sounds to me like, There, there is a core of some things that are coming through, and even a kind of languaging that could be really powerful for your right clients.
Kelly Melear-Hough: Yeah, yeah, I'm not sure how much to to edit it, you know. Like, if I get my brain involved too much, then I might
Kelly Melear-Hough: mess it up.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah, yeah.
Kelly Melear-Hough: So then don't or have someone else look at it. But that's great. I'm so glad all that came through. Thank you. Thank you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah, Courtney is saying, you're feeling inspired and like the flow is happening. And also you feel like you're winding down for the day. We all are. I'm not gonna make anybody do any more writing or even wait too much more thinking today.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Kim.
Kim Davies: One of my intentions coming in was clarity, and I feel like the theme I'm pulling out of, like listening to people share. And the work that we're doing is power and the misalignment with power that I've experienced in my life, and that I see
Kim Davies: going on with people. And when you had us walk around the room. At first I did this kind of like.
Kim Davies: you know, both
Kim Davies: legs apart and my arms like this, but that didn't like feel right. And then I came down to more like this
Kim Davies: prior, like heart based position, which for me meant connecting with source. That's where our power comes from, not from people outside of us.
Kim Davies: So I love just all these different practices. That we're doing to help us access our soul.
Kim Davies: And the archetype I like mine is like being brave and
Kim Davies: believing in myself, and I like how you said if you just wanna tow dip into that cause I was like, I just don't feel like I'm totally embraced with that archetype. But it's an energy that we're working with and developing a relation with it growing into.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): That's absolutely right. And even just like the toe dip
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): is a great next step, and it sounds like writing was able to come from it. Yeah. So you said your archetype was the brave. I didn't hear this one who believes in
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): myself. Yes, I love it. Knowing what your courses on.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'd say, with the tinge of fun in there. Yes, yeah, definitely, I need to fit that in there somehow. Yeah, I love it. Good. Yeah.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Robin.
Robyn Vogel: Well, so
Robyn Vogel: my writing, the channeling was really spiritually oriented. Which isn't surprising.
Robyn Vogel: and I don't think that.
Robyn Vogel: I know we're sort of lightly saying like. maybe we can use this on our sales pages.
Robyn Vogel: I don't feel like the spiritual like that.
Robyn Vogel: That spiritual language will be useful on my
Robyn Vogel: page. And I'm not saying that you
Robyn Vogel: said this was yeah. That was the purpose or anything.
Robyn Vogel: The highlight
Robyn Vogel: sounds like you're agreeing with me. Yes, for some people what they wrote. It's they're gonna wanna put word for word on their sales page other people. It's about. What are the messages that came through? They might wanna be written in a different way. You know what? What are the the points and the messages?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And then.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): hopefully, no matter for all of us, no matter what
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): this is a practice to just get the the get in the flow of the writing right? And then you can.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What's the word? Modulate it? And, however, is going to be right for your work.
Robyn Vogel: Yeah.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So were there some points that came through, or message points or
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): pieces that you're like, okay, this, the spiritual language? Not so much. But the message of the point important to include.
Robyn Vogel: yeah, definitely, yeah. yeah, definitely. And then, like
at the end.
Robyn Vogel: yeah, it just you know what it did. It sort of and highlighted
Robyn Vogel: the thing is, it's a little bit tricky with my program. Or maybe it's not. But it's just my mindset. It's like people don't wanna think that it's about them. You know, they want to find love. And they think it's outside themselves. And that's okay.
Robyn Vogel: Cause you know, I have thought that, too, and sometimes think that And then when they step in, it's
Robyn Vogel: it's, you know, it's about what's happening inside here.
Robyn Vogel: And so I think with the writing highlighted is like even like more
Robyn Vogel: that that
Robyn Vogel: that that is true, and then and it might be, you know, you know best, Robin, but it. It might be also pointing to
Robyn Vogel: that. It could be really effective
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for you to put some more of that in the marketing to actually let people know you think you're coming in
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): because of this, this, this and this, or to do this, this and this kind of thing. But actually it's about you.
Robyn Vogel: It might not be in those words, but I just wonder if some of that is coming through, because
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you've been pulling, holding off from it. But actually, it could be one of the things that you're that will help your people when they connect
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): with the marketing to be like, Oh, yeah. But yeah, I know I wanna do that right? Because so just something to think about and play with. No, I think that's that is, I think, what's highlighted the most in the rating good
Robyn Vogel: involved.
Inbal Sansani: Thanks to Kim's share, I was reminded in terms of the bows.
Inbal Sansani: It was kind of like my arms were.
Inbal Sansani: You know what I noticed about it is, it wasn't like, you know, all the way here all the way here. So it was kind of like embracing and loving, but also like here it is, which feels very, you know, uncomfortable.
Inbal Sansani: Right like that's the the opinionated
Inbal Sansani: And but it wasn't like overstretched or over, you know, like my shoulders were, you know, not hunched up.
Inbal Sansani: And with the writing it was.
Inbal Sansani: you know, it's not really directed to to a course, it was really kind of felt very
Inbal Sansani: general still. But
Inbal Sansani: you know, hopefully, like can lead to other things, or
Inbal Sansani: like, I got some reflection around kinda like things that could clarify
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): more like, stand on
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): good. Yeah. And again, this, this writing today for some people, it will be use this for others of us. It's just because there's so much.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Oh, there's no flow in my writing. I don't know what to say. This, that, and the other thing to this is a way to start to get into the flow.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And then, yeah, you are. Gonna shape
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): things too
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): good.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Who else? What else wants to be shared or spoken. What are you seeing? What's feeling important.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Josie?
Dr. Josie: Hi! I just wanted to say that there was so much in our group of 3. There was so much that came directly out of the heart like this voice coming through our hearts, and it was just really meaningful, and the feedback was just amazing to be able to share that. But and the emotion, you know, like we all like cried on what we wrote. But it was really special. So thank you so much for creating this
Dr. Josie: that experience.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah, you're so welcome. I'm so happy to hear it. Yeah. And we want our marketing. You know, we tend to think the the writing needs to sound professional, or it needs to sound this or that.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Really, we want it to come from the heart and to sound like it comes from the heart. That is a no ability factor. That is a likeability factor. That is a trust ability factor. For when people read what we're writing.
Dr. Josie: thank you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Rahul.
Rochel Keller: Hi, I just want to
Rochel Keller: say the same thing with Joseph, said that the breakout sessions were just so effective, and the vulnerability that we all showed each other
Rochel Keller: our core inside. And it was like you said, a safe container. It was just so impactful with terrific.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah, it's that's why spaces like these are so important. And that is why it is so helpful for us to be willing to be vulnerable in our marketing
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): because that feeling of Oh, my gosh!
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'm seeing right like really seeing another human. And I'm so resonating. That is the feeling that our our readers
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): will feel when we write from the heart. When we write vulnerably, they will have the experience of seeing and being seen all at once.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Anything else.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Kelly?
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): I realize well, first.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): when we were reading that I realized mine was very brain dumpy like it was more ideas, and just like things. I was quickly sort of channeling. But as I was writing them one, I realized that writing from that voice is actually a familiar place, and it's the place that when I drop in it feels really good. And and I could feel there were moments that I was kind of in and out, and and it was like where the I don't know. Something shifted in the tone, or what I was reminding
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): and II also, though, realize that I was.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): She's very warrior-esque, I realized, and my stance is very warrior-esque and that is coming through, and and in part just listening with the shares I'm like.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): but she wants more play and more joy in this. So I was just thinking about how II wanna like deepen into relationship with that archetype, and like.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): I don't know if it's giving her permission, or like letting her soften in a little bit. But there was yeah, there was just something there that was a little too fiery. And
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): realizing that that is that impassioned place that I can write from, and it's good to
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): come into a place of like joinies, too.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah. And so you can, right, we get to pick the energy that we're gonna write from and move from. So you can move into
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): if it makes sense for us to move into that really fiery place and say, Okay, and now I'm just, I'm gonna move to this part of the room where I'm taking some of the fire with me, but but the joy and the lightness is there too, right, and take the time to get there and then move forward. From that.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I love that. Thank you. And I have a feeling, Kelly, that when you're with your clients, when you're with your one-on-one and your groups. You're actually in all of that, the the fire with the the joy
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): right? I think you know that place. It's just about transferring it on in your business, and I think she was kind of
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): reclaimed in a way through a process which is where I am finding a challenge in my business, but it's not necessarily the delivery
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): of it. It's other piece. So yeah, that's great.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): I one other thing I thought of that I was sort of seeing, and what other pieces were shared with, just that, as I was writing, I had this feeling of
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): where I actually wrote down like sometimes what I write is for you, and sometimes it's for me, and it's the things that I wish somebody would have said to me along the way. And I and I, just I realize that piece actually should probably be communicated because
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): it's yeah. It's a place of like I have had to dig myself through and figure this all out. But then, once I had done that, I was like oh, it would have been so nice to be guided, and I can offer that. Yes, yes, absolutely.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And that goes for all of our prospects. Communities, all of that.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay. Anything else that wants to be shared or spoken or asked from
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): just whatever came through today.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay, so
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): a couple of things on this. So number one, I highly recommend. And we'll play with this over the next 2 days. I highly recommend
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): either when you're stuck in your marketing writing, when you're on your own, or even before you get stuck
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to remember today.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and not even just in your writing. And the should I raise my rates, should I do this? Should I do the other thing right?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Come back. Yes, all, even if all the fears and the limiting beliefs are there, they can be there.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and at the same time you can step into whatever whatever energy you choose in the moment, right? You have choice in that. So come back
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to your archetypal energy. and then write, and then take the action, and then make the decision. The more you practice this, the more it will become second nature
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Robin is asking, do you recommend? We have completed our curriculum first before doing the sales page. If I recommended that, probably almost nobody would come tomorrow. You don't need it doesn't have to be done.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): It's okay. If it's not good question.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay, we'll probably end a little early today. But since we have time, I would love if we have the energy for it to take
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): a couple of minutes to shift gears a little bit and put our facilitator and curriculum development hats on
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and ask
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): about the day-to-day. So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what did you notice about the hero's journey and the curriculum through the day-to-day? What did you notice about facilitation pieces?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Or what questions do you have for me about why I chose to do this instead of that? What do you want to pull on by way of curriculum development and facilitation for everybody's learning.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Courtney.
Courtney Reed-Marsh: So I have a question about breakouts. it's been so rich and deep, and
Courtney Reed-Marsh: but I'm wondering if I'm not structuring my curriculum as a retreat, as like intensive long sessions like, how is there any sort of not formula, but kind of
Courtney Reed-Marsh: I don't know.
Courtney Reed-Marsh: Rule of something or other that you've worked out in terms of like, how much time should be spent altogether in a group in relationship to like, how, when can we do breakouts. Do you understand the question I'm asking? I do. I do. It's such a good question, and I'll just
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): one of my weaknesses is trying to fit breakout rooms in 90 min, or even 2 h. It's it's as you've seen. It's like, it's hard. And I always
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and and I do. And sometimes I think it's a mistake, like I'm just being transparent. So II always end up choosing for sure. Always group shares, which I don't think is a mistake.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But well, let me just get that one other piece of information in or that one other journaling exercise, and I always at the beginning of every program. I'm like this program, more breakout rooms. There's never time for it. So just being honest. So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I think, even though I have had limitations in it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You can have
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): If you're gonna do a 90 min class. you can do one breakout
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I mean. And again, it depends on the content and right, and how how much you're doing in that session. But I think that it is reasonable to say you can do one breakout where each person gets 3 or 4 min.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I. There's sometimes where I like, partner, just 2
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): but oftentimes having at least 3. It gives for more reflection.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I like to have that. So there are moments where just the 2 make sense. And of course, if you only have time for 2, that's what you do. Sometimes you have to make that decision on the spot, but I think in a 90 min
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): session you could take 10 min out
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to do breakouts, even if that means skipping a little bit on an exercise or giving that exercise for homework.
Thank you. That's helpful.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah, good question. And if anybody has other. I'm not the only expert in the room. If anybody else wants to share in the chat on that, please do. Sharon.
Sharon Epstein: and my question was also about breakouts, and also for maybe a shorter session, and I guess my fear is around. Will people open up
Sharon Epstein: the same way that we do here when they don't know each other when they're not coaches.
Sharon Epstein: And I wondered if you had any
Sharon Epstein: suggestions, for
Sharon Epstein: maybe you don't do it the first time, or are there safer questions to ask where they don't have to be as vulnerable, and they'd be more willing to share any thoughts about
Sharon Epstein: helping them feel comfortable
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in that kind of setting. Yeah, it's such a great question. So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): a couple of things. So first of all, we can't control anybody. And I say it cause you know it, but it's also we forget it. And e even in
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you know, in my courses and facilitation, whether it's people that know each other, or it's just a one time thing coaches, not coaches. There's always one or 2 people that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): opt out of the breakout rooms completely. They? I, you know they either leave and come back, or they just tell me I can't do it right. And people and so and there's some very legitimate reasons sometimes beyond just oh, I'm feeling resistant to sharing.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and then some of it is resistance to sharing. So first, I just want to normalize that it's a thing right, and we can't control everybody when we're in person in a room together we have a bit like even more of a tighter container. But on the zoom it is what it is.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So that being said, a couple of tips. And I I'm gonna get you guys, I have a whole handout on this that has more tips than what I'm gonna share now, but a couple of things. So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I just lost my thoughts. Oh, number one speak to the resistance beforehand. Right? I know you might not want to go to a breakout room. You want to stay in your own little cave and not really share and just take in. You know the information. And I get that because I'm like that as well.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And here's the value of going to the breakout room and sharing right? And then you speak to what, from what you know, Sharon.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what happens in a breakout room when you're willing to show up right? So so always, like, we've been learning here in life, changing courses. If there's gonna be resistance, speak to the resistance beforehand, normalize it, make it almost like a little bit of a light hearted joke. Speak to a way around. Give people choices on how much they share or don't share. You know whatever it as well. Right? So if you know your people are
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): prone to kind of be more resistant, and then number 2, for now what I'll say is
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Sometimes it's easier to get people talking on lighter things first.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So you know, I consider, even though our morning questions went pretty deep like for me and my crowd. I consider our very first set of journaling questions light. So that was like a good opener or have people share things in the chat. Even things. Where are you from? Right? Or who here has been with me before, or whatever it's a way of just
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what's the word like flicking the pathway, you know, so that cause once people start sharing whether it's on the chat, whether it's voice to voice. they'll be more prone to share more.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So the is that helpful as a kind of starting point to think about. Yes, thank you. Yeah. You're welcome.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Khalida.
Kellita Maloof: Sorry I started to space out.
Kellita Maloof: Come back. Okay? So this is less a question about it's more what I'm finding. Arise. I just want to name it. So it doesn't slip away.
Kellita Maloof: And it is.
Kellita Maloof: even though we're not directly thinking about and talking about so far today.
Kellita Maloof: program, model or business model. Sort of through, just like, you know, tendrils growing up.
Kellita Maloof: I'm starting to have some possible thought about how a teacher training someone could start without having done as much, and I can incorporate it. It's just, you know, it's just this gentle, shifting meaning.
Kellita Maloof: Yeah, these possibilities are
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): something's moving. Yes. So first of all, I'm so so happy to hear it, and then, in terms of like curriculum design. And why that's happening.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): when you set up
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): a hero's journey, like we all went through a journey. Today, there's start point and an endpoint for today that is layered that activates different levels of learning and processing that gives different entryways in yeah.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): whatever you're working on, like, you're working on program structure, but not everybody here is, it's it's gonna start to right and and just being in the creative container, and in in a held container with our session, with our intentions. That's tight. Right? So I'm so glad you're noticing that because yes, to that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): we don't need for everybody in the room to have the same exact intention, or what they need to get out of the time, because our minds are always gonna create dots and connections to what we need and make the meaning to what we need.
Thank you. Yeah.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And yay, I'm so glad the tendrils on the program structure are growing
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): annelise.
Annelise Pesa: First of all, John, today has been just incredible. Really, like
Annelise Pesa: amazing life changing without courses just like change. I wanted to ask what would change for you, because, you know, obviously, you go very deep with the people you work with, and
Annelise Pesa: you know we are spending today hours on this going really deep. And my my fear is, I haven't got this time, and I have people that are not that self aware.
Annelise Pesa: and they like I gave an example. to Amy and and Jody when we were in the room. And
Annelise Pesa: This I've done like I'm doing some wellbeing program, and I've done a session on stress management. And I was asking, How do you feel when you have a news like you've got to work all weekend, and you, you know you have to cancel your trip, or you've got to work on holiday. How do you feel in that very moment, and some people were like.
Annelise Pesa: Feel nothing.
Annelise Pesa: And I was like, don't you feel a rush on adrenaline, or don't you feel tense in your body? No.
Annelise Pesa: So you know I'm dealing with. I mean, not everyone is like that. Not every lawyer is like that. Some are self-aware. They do yoga and things, but some are they sort of like, and they, you know, the more you are sort of like successful, you more you have to conform in that sort of
Annelise Pesa: in the the way the system works, and it's very much
Annelise Pesa: the system rather than who you are. So my question is, how do I
Annelise Pesa: create a break, I mean, yes, I have to meet them where they are. But is that sufficient to create a like a transformation rather than
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): just information? Yeah, it's such a good question. So yes. you can only meet people where you can nudge them a little bit more right. But really you can only meet people where they are
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and and also every course has its own purpose. So I'm gonna just say a couple of different things, and hopefully they'll come together. You don't have as much time as we have here 3 days
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): together. And your people are different. Right? So for you. Yes, there is gonna be seeds of transformation, but it
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): probably won't go as T.
Annelise Pesa: But that doesn't make it
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): works. That doesn't make this better.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): That only makes this better for the people here who are ready to meet me here.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You're going to go as deep as your people are ready, and that's the biggest transformation that they can have right, or seeds of transformation that they can have.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So you work with the time and where they're at
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): after. If you want to be doing deeper work. Then either you also have a subset that are not lawyers or from the lawyers that you get after the initial program. Maybe there's 2, 3, 4 who want to go deeper
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): right? And then those are your people that you go deeper with.
Annelise Pesa: So that's number one.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I it's not better or worse. Right? It's just what is, what do the people in front of me need for the container that we have? What is going to be the next pieces of transformation.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Number 2.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): This is a little off, but just to say, because your people are so disconnected from how they feel.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you know, we can talk a lot, and I know I already, you know parts of your curriculum like be feeling more connected to their body and grounded, and this and that and the other. You know all of those things. Yes, but just on a purely like surface.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): tactical to
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): when you, at least in the beginning, when you ask them questions. So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for them, they're gonna answer, how do you think? Question, what do you think about X? Your lawyers? Right? They know that language.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): but your lawyers, when you ask them.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): how do you feel when acts? That is, that is foreign to them? They do not move through through their lives in feeling right? This is important for everybody. By the way, in terms of knowing your ideal clients right?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So for you, maybe when you ask a feeling question. You're gonna put a Powerpoint on of multiple choice. 10 different ways. They might feel and ask them to pick one from the grouping right. And you might do that the first 5 times you ask feeling questions to get people
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in in the practice of it right? And you might even then make a joke. It's okay, because we're lawyers. And we think, and we don't feel like you just preempt that right. And then, once they pick something, you can say, Okay, lawyers. Now, gonna really stretch you whatever thing you just picked, you feel that in your body experiment right? So, but that for your lawyers
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): might be as deep
Annelise Pesa: as for the work that we did here today. For the I realize that this shift may be so transformation, you know, like even II mean, I would.
Annelise Pesa: I remember 2015 years ago when I started, you know, and I was like, Oh, wow! You know
Annelise Pesa: there is feelings. There is body. There is like sensation. And so and sometimes you have to tiptoe them to it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): almost tricking them without the like. Okay? And now we're going to do an exercise to be in our body? Never right literally. You might have to take them through exactly what I just said, but that could be huge, huge for the people.
Annelise Pesa: because what I what I've noticed, and lo! Lots of coaches here and healers, they're very sort of like. They're coaching. And he, you know, and they're sort of like
Annelise Pesa: clients are very.
Annelise Pesa: They need help, but they are quite literate in. That's so. You, you know, it's in in different ways. Right? Yeah, yeah. No. Okay, yeah, no, thank you, John, thank you. Question
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Ray.
Rai Jordan: Take a breath before I say this.
Aye.
Rai Jordan: so
Rai Jordan: in our group I had the honor and privilege of just receiving some amazing feedback.
Rai Jordan: and one of my partners.
Rai Jordan: shared that. The thing that
Rai Jordan: I really lit up
Rai Jordan: where I really came alive was when I shared a particular thing that I've said many, many times over the years in my work.
Rai Jordan: and her suggestion that, not not knowing the details is that I bring that forward in my marketing.
Rai Jordan: and I realized
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I never say that in my marketing, ever that was a really powerful. Take away. So thank you, Kalida, for that
Rai Jordan: the my other partner, shared something that instantaneously, deeply resonated with me.
Rai Jordan: and then I thought about it, and she started to speak to it too. That
Rai Jordan: it's a very controversial thing to say in these times that we're living in. and I would go so far as to say that it could cause harm. And the last thing I want to do is cause harm.
Rai Jordan: We're living through some interesting times and
Rai Jordan: I really.
Rai Jordan: and working hard to decolonize myself
Rai Jordan: and decolonize my work. And it's a workout.
Rai Jordan: right? And so I'm even more aware of
Rai Jordan: sort of this juxt between. If that's the right word of the fact that
Rai Jordan: you know so many of us have ways of being and
Rai Jordan: we didn't all start at the same level. Right? And so different people are going through different things that are really deeply internalized things that impacts
Rai Jordan: their ability to progress and move forward right? And then I also believe deeply
in our
Rai Jordan: divine power that we're more powerful than we realize.
Annelise Pesa: and it's important to me to not
Rai Jordan: in saying that.
Rai Jordan: you know, on a platform social media and in newsletters, because I'll I'll say it one on one, and I'll say it in a small group of people that I know also believe that, and know that
Rai Jordan: but been reluctant to say it out loud, you know, and on a big platform. And so I'm just wondering if you have any feedback about saying things that are controversial and saying it in a way that is honoring of people.
Rai Jordan: And I know that everyone is not going to be. You know, my my people.
Rai Jordan: But in in putting out.
Rai Jordan: you know truths to draw my people in, I wanna make sure that I'm not causing harm to anyone else.
Yeah.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): my suggest, it's such a beautiful question and an important one. And my suggestion always. I will always say the same thing almost always when someone asks, how, how should I word something? Or how do I do this? So that Xyz
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): is. if you're thinking it, share it. So as an example.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): how would it feel to write
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): a Newsletter article or a post about
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): why you so deeply want to share that you know how powerful everyone is, and also why you've been holding yourself back
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): from sharing it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): The connect, the dots for your community that you've already connected in your head right? And that you're sharing here.
Hmm!
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): How does that feel?
Rai Jordan: It resonates? And it feels like it's also really important to honor. Each person's lived experience
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): right? And you and you and you write that right as why you've been
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): hedging. and why you haven't said it. and
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that you do honor each person's lived experience, and that this is how you see this could honor each person's lived. Experience, right? So you speak, to all the pieces.
Rai Jordan: And this next part I'm saying for myself more than anything.
Rai Jordan: and not just
Rai Jordan: your lived experience, which it could imply, that you know you are the way you are because of your beliefs. That's this whole spiritual thing. But you are who you are because of what you actually experience like that impacted you.
Rai Jordan: So thank you for that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): beautiful I can't wait to see. I can't wait to see the rain.
Rai Jordan: Thank you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Kelly.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): I really appreciate what you were just sharing right, and it was it
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): triggered something or sort of inspired something.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): And me not to separate from what you're saying, but just thinking about this fiery archetype
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): who I'm really loving for like parts of my work. But I'm realizing a version of her has been keeping me up really late at night and working in really old ways, which is what I'm aiming to support in my work, to help people not to do. And it is work like it is just work. And I feel like
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): speaking to that piece of what we are continuously working on, even as we're guiding others through is really important. Like. For myself, I'm feeling that like that, vulnerability and honesty is really important.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): And then the other thing that's just an observation cause you asked for observations of today. Was that
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): You said we were doing a marketing.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): a marketing class and typical join up fashion. You let us in on day. One was all this like
deep dive healing work, but of course supports the marketing. But I'm
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): but when you ask for observations from the
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): like design, perspective or facilitator perspective. I was just feeling into how
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): how much I wanna talk to process. And you didn't say anything about us doing this process before we came into the marketing class. I mean, of course, we know we're gonna do inter work with Joanna. But I just I was just thinking about. That's that reminder like, I want the thing that I want, and I wanna help people get the thing they want. But we have to do this deeper inner work first, so speak, to the thing they want.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yes, absolutely so don't, and don't skimp on what we know they need. And this morning, as part of our opening.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I don't know if you noticed, but I opened with the importance of inner work
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): when it comes to business growth and marketing.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and I laid out right. I spent a little bit of time talking about that. And that was all backdrop to create investment for what I said. And so today, we're gonna spend most of the day doing inner work. And then I let everybody know, yeah. And tomorrow and the next day we're gonna get to these other pieces. And can I just clarify? II didn't mean today you didn't say it today. You totally said you mean beforehand, and I'm not calling you out. I'm just like having this awareness of.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): Oh, yeah, I was like, we're just gonna get down to work and like, do the marketing.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): And then today, you. You know you came in. You said, Yeah, we're the inner work is so important. And of course it's so important. And I've been, you know, living this for months now, reflecting on how important it is. But I was just thinking about in
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): in the prep for this for this course, or even just like what we're gonna get from it. It wasn't like. And I'm gonna guide you through all these processes doing your inner work. Yeah, you totally let us and prepared us for today, for sure. But beforehand, yeah.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): okay.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): well, we did it with 17 min to spare. Yay. So okay, before we wrap for today, I would just love for everybody to write down one thing which is hopefully, you're taking away a lot from today. If you were to just name one of your biggest takeaways from today. It could be an inner piece. It could be an outer piece. You realize about your business, remarking, whatever it is, what is one of your biggest takeaways from today.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Kalita, saying, how I learned through the side door, I love it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah. Annelise, your compassion. River archetype. Yes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): yep.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): writing from the archetypes. Voice. 2 babies. Yeah, I was so glad, Kate.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): discovering the amazing archetype that's here to help. Yes, and the beautiful reflections from others. Yes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): yeah. Having compassionate collie on board.
Yeah.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So please keep on sharing
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in the chat. I'm going to read through everything. and just as we close for today.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You probably already do this. But just to say we did, whether you're feeling it or not right now, probably almost all of us are feeling it. We did a lot of work today. It was really big work, it was energetic work.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And so I just say this to say, Take good care of yourself this evening. Drink a lot of water, hydrate.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): nourish well.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): sleep well, pay attention to your dreams.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Some some important dreams are gonna come up in this container for some of you and
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): we'll meet again at 11 Eastern tomorrow. Any work that you have done on your curriculum.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Please bring it tomorrow we're going to use it in the sales page process
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and any work on the beginning and the end of the journey as well. And
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): if you haven't worked on the beginning and end of your journey
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): it's okay, like it's all good. There'll be space for for a little bit of that. But if you want to work a little bit on it tonight, that wouldn't be a bad thing either.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): sending you all lots of love, I hope you have a great rest of your day.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'll hang around for a few minutes if anybody needs anything. If not, I'll see you tomorrow.