Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Hi! Again, Suzanne.
Suzanne Culberg: Hello, Joanna!
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Hi, everybody! Welcome! Welcome!
Suzanne Culberg: Your camera is off again. Joanna
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): forgot to ask my team.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Good to see everybody.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Give us all another moment to get here.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay?
So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I am excited about the work that we're gonna do today. And what we're gonna look at, we are. We are here today for 2 h, and the reason why I'm pointing this out for a couple of reasons. So number one
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you may not have seen. I hopefully most of you have, but you may not have seen in your schedule. Most of these calls are 90 min, but some are a little longer like. We started out with the the 3 h.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Kickoff, if you downloaded from the member center the schedule, it it should all come up.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But the other reason why I pointed out is because next week, not today, but next week for our training, we're gonna be looking at program components, different things that you include in your program as well as how long your sessions should be, etc. A lot of people have already been asking, as you've been sharing your curricula with me, you know. How long is this? You know all the things, and I'm just
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): making like pointing it out now for you all to think about
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): In some ways it's convenient to have a program if it's a weekly program where each call is the same amount of time. 60 min, right? But
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you can break rules. and if your curriculum needs more time, sometimes or less time sometimes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and that's what's going to be best for the experience and the learning. You can do that as well right. It doesn't have to be so uniform. So we're gonna look more at that next week. But I just thought I would kind of drop that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): as we got going today, get to be creative
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and create a program that's really going to work for the the goals that you are the for the journey that you're taking your people on.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So today, what we're gonna be looking at. I call it your curriculum anchors. And we're gonna be looking at. We've so far been looking at the journey of your thought leadership.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): right of your methodology. That is the main journey in your curriculum.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): however, there is a much bigger journey. I shouldn't say much bigger. There's a somewhat bigger journey
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): within your full curriculum. and we're gonna start to take a look at the bigger journey
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in your curriculum. Now.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): if you haven't finished sorting out the journey of your methodology, and you're like, Oh, my gosh! She's moving! Here's what I want you to know. I don't expect that most of you have finished sorting out the journey like this is gonna for a lot of us. This is going to take more weeks. I've been saying this every week to reassure you. Okay, so no pressure. This is why we have time
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in this container, because it does take time
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to sort it out. That's number one. number 2. What we look at today is related to the bigger journey beyond your methodology.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But as you will see.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): it also relates to the methodology itself, so it's going to help spark more ideas and enhance the journey steps that you've already put together. I promise.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): but first.
before we get there, I'd love to hear
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): from
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): 2, maybe 2 of you or 3 of you either a celebration. What's going really well, or something that you're learning for yourself as you're moving through our process. What are you seeing? What's feeling important? What are you noticing?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What are you learning?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Who'd like to share?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So be shy.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Zephyr.
Deva Munay: I am really learning how to less is more.
Deva Munay: and having already, like, developed a number of curriculums, and just seeing how I think I have to like, prove that I know so much, and I pack so much in, and I don't leave enough space and time. And yeah, I'm just. I keep coming back to like, oh, my gosh! I've just been consulting in like teaching and not giving people the time to where is that landing and really coaching people through it. So it's super exciting to have this new way, and
Deva Munay: also intimidating, because I'm halfway through a 5 month immersion that I'm I started in when I start in October, and we end in February. And I'm like, how do I kind of like
Deva Munay: rewind our like
Deva Munay: integrate all of this? And then yeah. And then I have a couple of 5 day courses, so my head's spinning a bit about how to
Deva Munay: like do a 5 day longer, or all these different. And then I want to do kind of just like a day-long, intensive anyway, there's a lot of moving pieces, and I'm really grateful to continue to deepen in with the container here. Yeah, I love that. There you're thinking about all of them. I'm so happy that you're underscoring. This less is more piece.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): if you wanted Deva, even though you're in the middle of your 5 month, you could start to institute that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): even in the middle
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): of the program, if that felt right, for you know the cycle that you're in. So that's something to think about.
Deva Munay: Well, I talked to an bull about it, and to get it done. Cause like our next session is in December with like a solstice ritual. But I shared the curriculum I have like posted on what I'm gonna cover on, you know, on my website and what I shared as my
Deva Munay: like. Here's what we're moving through. And she agreed she was like, oh, my God! This could be a whole 5 month course. Okay. How do I?
Deva Munay: How do I still, you know, deliver what I said I was going to do
Deva Munay: and make it deep and meaningful. So I I've got some ideas on it. But it's yeah. Yeah. It takes time to percolate. But I'm glad. Good
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Barbara.
Barbara Daughter, Becoming You Art: Well, I just wanted to give a big shout out to the quality of the questions you have us answer in our homework.
Barbara Daughter, Becoming You Art: I just think this is like.
Barbara Daughter, Becoming You Art: like, Oh, okay, I need to get it from that point of view. Okay? Oh, this will take it a little deeper. And of course, you know I love to go down those rabbit holes, and oh, should I call it a lesson of teaching and my teacher and educate, I mean, like just I could go down with so many rabbit holes, but it just really helps provide the
Barbara Daughter, Becoming You Art: mental structure
Barbara Daughter, Becoming You Art: to deliver the content so people can access it. And so I just that's what I'm celebrating is the quality of questions you have us asking ourselves. I just think they're they're awesome.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'm so so glad. And, Barbara. What I'm hearing in your share is that the quality of the questions is impacting the quality of the curriculum that you're putting together. So I would say, that's a celebration even more so than the questions, yeah, going deeper with your work, and finding that balance of depth versus, or the distinction of depth versus rabbit hole, too. So just being aware of that as well.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): go ahead.
Barbara Daughter, Becoming You Art: Thank you. Thank you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Couple of other pieces before we dive into this, this bigger journey that we're gonna look at today. One is just as a reminder. Later this week on Wednesday, I believe. One of the bonuses for the program is gonna drop
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in your member center. It's all about.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): but I don't know. I'll call it the not fun, but very important stuff of the contracts and the templates, and
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and all of that. It'll be a short recording a short training, and then you'll I'm giving you all of my different templates that I use examples in my programming. For you to use in yours
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to keep on that aspect, to keep the container tight, because the more organized that you can be, the more that you can communicate about the logistics of a program clearly with clients.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): The more they're gonna feel settled inside the container and safe inside the container and trust the journey with you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So you'll get all of that later this week for some of you, you're gonna be ready to look through it and listen to the recording and start implementing. If that's you great
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for some of you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you're still deep into creating your methodology. So don't overwhelm yourself. That record that bonus is for when you're ready, right? Doesn't have to happen right now. I just dropped it at this point in the in the training for those of you who are starting program like, you're putting your program out there. People are starting for you to have that.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Then the last thing before we go into this bigger journey is, I wanted to circle back to energetics and our beliefs.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Because it always comes back to the inner work it one way or another.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and I wanna ask all of you take a moment and jot down
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): some answers to this question on an inner level. what are some of the
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): not so kind to yourself? Things that have been coming up so far in this curriculum creation process.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What are some of the fears. the worries, the concerns. the self-criticism that is maybe swirling around in there
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): We're also looking at this, for to normalize it right, we can move. The the voice can come up and we can still move forward. We all have it in one way or another.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Alright. So, maybe for you. It's this just what I'm creating! Is it? Good enough?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Nobody will like it. I'm not expert enough in this.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Christina saying, I'm not gonna follow through again. We each have at least one message rolling around in there.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What is it for you?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And if you're naming a couple of those messages, maybe circle the one that's
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): causing the most turmoil or
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): trouble right now. The one that's the biggest obstacle
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for annelise will lawyers be up
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to it
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for Kim. I don't really have any ideas. So I just not gonna work on it so that then it'll prove that I have no idea.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you know.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Bernina.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): still not clear about which program to offer and focus on. That's like Nina, unless there's something else there that seems like it's like sometimes things still aren't clear. That's okay. We're sometimes we're in process. We're cooking. We're in the mystery. But what's the is there? Maybe an unhelpful voice inside of that.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): unless you actually are clear. But you still keep on telling yourself that you're not clear.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Does it even make sense? My course, is powerful but difficult to market.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yep.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): yeah, no shortage of internal messages. Right? So again, first.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I just want to share
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): this is, it is normal.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and it doesn't mean that you're not gonna get it done. And it doesn't mean that what you create is it gonna be fantastic?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): It just means that you're a human being that has unhelpful thoughts or fears that are coming in during a process of growth. And whenever we're in a process of growth or stretching or moving into unknown or so change of status. Right? There is a that's gonna come up.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): it is. It's part of the process. And that's okay
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): from there. Let's take a few minutes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and I wanna invite you
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to connect in whatever the fear or the unhelpful belief is
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I want to invite you to connect into a higher wisdom.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Again. right? And
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): this is really important. A higher wisdom doesn't mean that it's the exact opposite of the unhelpful belief. Right? So if the unhelpful belief is.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'm not good enough, right? Just like whatever we don't wanna just like blow sunshine into the midst and be like. And so now I'm gonna believe that I'm the best ever. And I'm always great, right? And it's always unicorn and lollipops, because that's not.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): That's that's too big of a leap. Right? That's not believable.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Maybe if you're in a place that I'm not good enough. the higher wisdom right now is
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): not all of my staff is Nobel Prize winning? I don't know whatever it is right. but I do have some really important things to share
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): with others. You see the difference there. Right?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay, so what's that next step? Higher wisdom for you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Next step that you can grab on to
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Rahul is saying, I'm a work in progress. And it's okay. I love that. Who else?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What's the next step? Higher wisdom for you?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): For, Jan? It's one step at a time. I really do have some important things to share.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): It is going to be good enough. Yes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for Dava. My courses and all caps, my courses are life changing, and they keep on getting better as I continue to refine, and deep in.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yes. remarkably, I might not be as clear as I'd like to be on my next steps. But I do have ideas and lessons that I can share, and those are going to impact others. Yes, these are all beautiful.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): beautiful. Okay, good.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So let's take this one step further, for right now
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'm gig. Gonna give you about 3 min.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Here's what I'd like for you to do.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I wanna pret I want to invite you to pretend like you're a lawyer, and if for some of you who are ex lawyers, if that's not okay, then some other like you're an advocate, right? You're an activist.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and I want you to pretend that whatever this hot, next higher wisdom
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): piece that you just identified, that you are making a case
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Right? So you've got your leading statement with the higher wisdom. And now I want you to write for 3 min more about it. Why, this is true. Why, this is important. What other pieces go along with it. Make a case for it in your writing
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that make sense.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Go ahead
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): ongoing.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): make a case
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for this new idea, give it more life and evidence and meaning.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Take another half minute.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Read over what you've written when you're done, take it in.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Sometimes the paving of the new neural pathways is about coming back to the higher wisdom
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and really being with it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): we could
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): spend a whole session just on this. But we're not going to today. We're gonna keep on going. Jen, we just to answer your question in the chat. We definitely have time to answer questions about today's content. It don't you know, we may have time at the end for also some questions about other things, if not, ask in the Facebook group for sure.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): but I think we'll probably have time.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): as I mentioned at the start of the call, your methodology
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what you've been working on these last few weeks, the the steps of the journey
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): is the bulk
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): of your curriculum, whether it's a course or a retreat or a preview, whatever it is. But that being said.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): it's not the full journey from the very beginning of the course to the very end or the very beginning of the retreat to the very end of the retreat. And what
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): we don't wanna do as teachers and facilitators is, jump
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): straight into our methodology.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): into that hero's journey that we've been working on because it's not going to penetrate as deeply unless we have some other things in place.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And so I wanna look at those other things today.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): let me share this with you. You have this in your member center.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): This is what I call the 6 components
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): of a curriculum journey. I'm going to go through them very, very
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): quickly first, just so you can kind of see the whole thing. And then we're gonna get deep
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): into each component and what it means and what it looks like. So in these 6 steps. What I want to point out is your solution or your method. The the heroes journey that we've been working on. It's not until Number 4
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): on this larger journey.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): The first 3 components, or the first 3 steps. are there. in order to prep your heroes for the journey.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): It's almost like getting the gas in the vehicle, getting the snacks for the road trip, getting the heroes ready to really take that journey
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that you're taking on the taking them on. And the first part of it is, you want to help your client. your audience. If it's a talk.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): remember why they're taking this journey.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'm gonna look at that right? But the first thing is, why are they taking this journey
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): after you've help them? Remember why they're taking the journey. You still don't want to jump into your methodology. You want to help them locate
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): where they're starting on the journey. You might know that they're starting in New York, and they're going to San Francisco, but they may not know that yet.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And so you want before getting them to their first step on the road trip. I don't again. I don't know geography. Maybe it's Cleveland. First, they need to know that they're in New York.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): because it will be more meaningful to take that step when they know where they're starting from.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And then the third thing that you wanna do is bring awareness to the resistance before providing the solution.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay. So you're doing all of these things to prep them. We're gonna go into these pieces step by step, and what they look like. And then you get to sharing your solution or your method, which might take a few hours if it's a day-long retreat which may take a few months right? If it's a month long course.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): whatever it is. But then, even when you're done sharing your solution or your methodology or your steps, you don't want to end there.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): It's important to have components after that, so that people can integrate. We're going to look at that today as well. Now, as we look at this.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I want you to be thinking about 2 things at the same time. Number one, these 6 components or these 6 steps. They're components of the overarching
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): journey right from start to finish of your hero. But here's the other level that I want you to be thinking about this on, and I'll continually come back to this as well.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You want to be doing each of these 6 things for every step
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): of your methodology. You wanna be doing each of these 6 things for every step of your methodology.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): If this isn't making sense yet, don't worry. We're we're about to get deep into it. But I find sometimes it's helpful to kind of see this as a whole.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So that being said.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): let's start at the beginning.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the yeah. And Robin, you have this in your member center, you can print it out.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): we're gonna start with these first 3 components and these first 3 components before you get to your methodology. I just wanna say, now, we're gonna talk more about containers as we go on through this program. But this is also an at these first 3 components are also part of creating your container.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Every program, every retreat, every class.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and some of you have heard me use this metaphor before you want to think of it as a container, and I like to think of it as a glass of water, right? So if we think of
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the water as energy and the point of any journey or any program or any curriculum is to transform energy right in order to create results in order to create transformation.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Right? We want. We want it. We want to transform. We want to shift energy.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I couldn't make this water this energy move right now if I didn't have this cup.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): If I didn't have this container the water would just spur out all over the place
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): right.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and if there were holes in this container the water would spurt out all over the place. There's lots of different things that we wanna do to create containers in our programs
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): so that we can change so that we can transform energy so that we can yield results. It's not just our methodology, although that is one part of it. So that people stay interested right? So so that they don't wander off so that they stay on course.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And these 3 components before the methodology are part of all of that.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Does that make sense
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): so far? Yeah, okay.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So step one, as I said earlier, is, help your client. Remember why
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): they're taking the journey of your course or your retreat.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): People need a why.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in order to be motivated to take the journey right like, who's gonna go on a cross country trip if there isn't a good reason why to take it
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): now, you might say. Well, they already know their why, that's why they put money down to be in this course.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): right?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): True enough, hopefully your sales page, or your sales. Conversation gave your hero a good enough reason why to take the journey, to sign up for it to put money down to register whatever it is.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): However.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): they have probably forgotten a little bit what the why is between the time they said yes
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to the time they show up to start
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the course or the retreat. or the class.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And I wanna remind all of you that the why it's not when people make an investment to to take a course with you. It's not just an investment of their money.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So that's one piece of it. It's an investment of their time and an investment of their energy.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And I share this because again, to underscore how important the why is that right? So you need a good reason, and you want to
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): remind people
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): of the good reason when you start a course.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): part of this.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): remembering the why at the beginning of a course as well as in marketing is about inspiration.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Right? Inspiration creates motivation. So we want to start the journey at the beginning of a course, the beginning of a retreat by inspiring
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): are people around the journey, and what's
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for that? And why they're there. So on a practical level.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Here's some things, and you have all of this in a resource sheet in the member center. But I wanna go through them on a practical level. Here's some of the things that you wanna talk about from an inspiring place
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): at the beginning of a course?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Number one?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Why, you, as the leader, are there? Why is it important for you? Right? It's not just to make money. You you have an important why.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): right inspire people with that? Why are you there? Why is it important for you
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): inspire people in the beginning by talking about the collective endpoint of the journey? Yes, everybody will have their own different endpoint. Right? But speak about
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what they're going to receive where they're going to end up by the time they're done. That's a big reason why
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): speak about in the beginning.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): why, your heroes would want to progress and evolve from the point that they're currently at.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and why the journey that you're about to take them on is perfectly crafted and designed and tailored for who is in the room with you? Why, this is the perfect journey for this kind of person
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to be taking.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I did all of this by the way, at the beginning, the very first call of life changing courses. So if you want to go back and analyze it. You can
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): speak to the people in the room about why they're the perfect kind of person to be on this particular journey. What is possible and what is different about this journey
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to the end result from any other journey, IE. Course out there.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): In other words.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): it says, if you are the leader of a movement or a revolution. And you're rousing and activating and helping the community build investment in the cause
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): because it is gonna take time and energy right to get through that the journey for the costs
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you can in this first component
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): also share a personal story for inspiration. Right describe your own hero's journey.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): or that of some of your clients that have already gone on the journey as a way of inspiring people, to show them what's possible and what's going to happen here?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Your participants will see themselves in your story
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and be inspired by it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and share a couple of other pieces around this, and then we'll pause
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): a lot of this, and maybe all of this we are going to do through words.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But that being said for some of you, I want you to consider the following.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the inspiration that you create
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): as you remind people of the why doesn't have to be only what you tell people simply with your words.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You can build inspiration by evoking an archetypal energy that's related to the journey. You can build inspiration by playing music
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): as you share a story? You can read a poem that's related to the journey as well. Some of you have already noticed in my facilitation. I like to get dramatic. I change the quality of my voice I lean in. I lean out right? We're we're not. It's not just about the words, but it's
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): how, how are we evoking
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): this inspiration
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): even beyond the words?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So I like to do all of that.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But then I like to go further in this step. So after I share
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): all of these things.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): then I often will create some space
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and ask participants questions so that they can identify, identify their particular? Why.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): so I might then, after I kind of share all this and speak all this and do all this. And again we did this in life, changing court in the our very first call. You can go back and look. I ask them to answer the question, why are you here, journal on that? Why was it important for you to be here?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What are the intentions that you wanna set
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for the time that you're here? Right? Because it's not just enough. This is a facilitation piece. It's not just enough for me as the facilitator to tell you why you're here. That's good, right? We want to do that.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But then we want each participant
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to find it inside
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): of themselves
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to identify it right?
Because
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): when they can identify it inside of themselves, then it gets even stronger
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): right then it's even more deeply integrated for them.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): This part of the the first step is also a great moment for community building.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Have people share
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): some of their reasons why some of their intentions either voice to voice in the chat. Whatever it is, it helps create different ideas on the whys. It helps create community. It helps normalize it. Help people see? Like, Oh, yeah, I am in the right place. I'm in this tribe of people who are so similar to me.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and it creates more inspiration.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You can also get even more creative as you activate the Y,
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): maybe once everyone, if you're in person, for example, and you can do this virtually as well. Once everyone gets clear on their why, maybe they boil it down to one word, and then they paint it on their arm, right as a as a ritual way of really setting that intention, or they create a drawing on it, or they do some other kind of ritual. They plan to
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): feed into soil right? Whatever it is, but to bring it even beyond the cognitive, into that spirit and somatic level of the why and the setting of the intentions.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Alright, let me pause here. There's a little bit more on this. I'm gonna share. But
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and let me pause here. What are what is resonating? What are you seeing? What's clicking for you? What questions do you have on this.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Jen?
Jennifer Rose Gens: I think my
Jennifer Rose Gens: favorite part is, I'm a leader of a movement and a revolution.
Jennifer Rose Gens: and I know that really hit for some, some others, and I'm sure all of us honestly like, let's be real
Jennifer Rose Gens: And it reminded me of the word conviction. It's like one of my pillars as a coach
Jennifer Rose Gens: like we have to stand with conviction for them
Jennifer Rose Gens: and for ourselves and for what we want. This change that we all are clearly wanting is
Jennifer Rose Gens: as keepers.
Jennifer Rose Gens: yeah, light workers. And whatever we call ourselves.
Jennifer Rose Gens: Yeah, it's it's inspiration for us as well, and energy back to energetics. Energy follows energy. If we see this as revolution, if we see this is so important, right? And then we share that that's gonna help others see it. And that's gonna be motivating for the journey. Yeah, it almost like is the sunshine that kind of burns off the fog of our resistance of like, oh, keeping ourselves small. I did have a a quick question.
Jennifer Rose Gens: So okay, time to ask, yeah, if if it's on this? Yes, yeah. Yeah.
Jennifer Rose Gens: So I am getting the impression. I mean, I know you. You do this like.
Jennifer Rose Gens: But yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if that's what I'm going to do. I'm not sure that's what I'm trying to say. I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do it or not. I don't know if that's what we're going to do with it. I'm not sure if we're going to be able to do it or not. I don't know if we're going to be able to do it or not. I'm not sure if we're going to be able to do it or not. I don't know if we're going to be able to do it or not. I don't know if we're looking at.
Jennifer Rose Gens: There's this formulaesque, right? Or menu, I would say or map that we're talking about here in, let's say masterclass
Jennifer Rose Gens: but also you mentioned like a month long for me, I'm
Jennifer Rose Gens: thinking about, you know, a 9 month to year.
Jennifer Rose Gens: and
Jennifer Rose Gens: I'm getting this impression that we we want to do these things.
Jennifer Rose Gens: Of course, like, I guess my my straight question is, do we do this like every time we're setting it up.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yes. So the answer is, yes, but it's always longest the first time, because it's for the overarching journey. Right? So let's take our class today as an example. Did you all notice I did this already.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): so I took just a little time.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): It wasn't more well, it was maybe more than 2 min. First at the very beginning, I said, it's important to have a longer journey. It's what's gonna help make things even more effective. Right? And then I said it again. Like as we were, I gave the overarching of the 6 steps. I said, you don't wanna start with your methodology if you want it to go much deeper if you want that type container right? So I gave an inspiration on why we should. Why you should stick around today and go on the journey
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): of the curriculum for today.
Jennifer Rose Gens: That make sense. Yeah.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So I didn't have to spend many, many, many minutes on it. Sometimes it can just be one or 2 min, but I'm gonna give a Y at the beginning of each step
Jennifer Rose Gens: before I get to explaining what the step is and how to do it. So you must have done that very quick. I don't even remember you doing that. But I do remember the questions you asked.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So yeah, I mean, I just did it at the beginning of the class today by saying, it's really you don't wanna start with your methodology. It's really important to look at the overarching journey when you do the overarching journey. That's when you get the tighter container, etc., right?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Just giving a Y for the information of this class.
Jennifer Rose Gens: Yeah, you almost kind of like, show us where we're going to go for the day, which I know is really helpful for people's nervous system rather than like the surprise aspect. Yeah, that's the other piece of it, too. And that part of the container setting. Okay, we know what's happening here.
Jennifer Rose Gens: Yeah, good. Yeah.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Thanks.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Anyone else. What's clicking for you? What's feeling important
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): on this? What questions do you have, Cecilia?
Cecilia Kremer: Yes, I mean, I I'm just loving the whole process. Just wanna share that. And there's one thing, that you mentioned today, some ideas around like
Cecilia Kremer: little practices that we can do like the. you know, expressing it in one word and writing it in your arms, or
Cecilia Kremer: make a drawing I would love to, and then, if I'm not mistaken, I read it somewhere, that there are resources like these, like a list of resources like these that we can look into cause. I feel like I'm always creating from scratch, and I would love to have
Cecilia Kremer: some help in in creating new. You know, new practices for my my courses. We'll have at some point I'll drop kind of I mean, there's so much I teach full trainings just on rituals and all the things, so it's not going to be comprehensive, but I'll drop
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): ideas, but just for now
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to share some others.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you know you can write it on a leaf. You can have a stone and infuse the intention or the the deeper intention onto the stone, you could create. A collage that represents the deeper. Why? So later on, in the course. Also, when we get to look at exercises we'll get it. We'll look at this in lots of different ways. But for now those are some other things
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that maybe spark ideas for you.
Cecilia Kremer: Okay, thank you. Yeah. You're welcome.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay, a few more things on this first component.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And so, as we were saying with Jen, this, this first component is also something that you want to use and come back to for each step in a short, in a shortened version
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): as Jen also said, we're gonna look today, actually at resistance, we're gonna start looking at resistance as its own thing. But what I want to underscore is that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): this first step is also starting to work
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): on resistance.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): particularly if what you're teaching in your course, or what you're teaching that day or that staff is tough
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): or edgy.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): giving people a reason why and an inspiration can help them more easily go into it. So, for example, in one of my shadow trainings.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): We look
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): at competition, comparison, and jealousy.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and guess what this people don't wanna look at that right? I have a part of me. That's jealous. I have a part of me that's really competitive, like, you know, you might wanna run from the room unless you're already like a big shadow. Geek like I am right.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): There is. Even when there is desire. People put down money for this. They showed up for the retreat. Even when there is desire. There's also an inner resistance to it, because it's hard. Right?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So the way this first step looks before I go into the shadow of competition and comparison and jealousy
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): is I speak to? Why, you would actually want to spend time
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): being with your jealousy.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Why, it's important how it will help you how it will help you reach the results that you want and feel the ways that you want to feel
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): right?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So this Y piece really, really important.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay, before we continue on.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I just wanted to stay here, as we're talking about container setting and what you do in the beginning. Usually there's even a pre-step
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in a course before the remembering why.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and that's getting grounded
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): right? So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in order for people to
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you know another way of setting that container. so that people are ready to move, to go on the journey, to to be present.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to have the transformations and the learnings is for them to to have some moments before you start.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to fully arrive. to get grounded. to, to bring presence. to bring all of themselves there.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I always do this at the
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): beginning of a program or retreat when I can. I do it at the beginning of a class, although, truth be told, a lot of times I skip it. But
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you want to think about
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): is this
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): a moment where people need grounding before we go in right, whether it's the beginning or a tough topic, whatever it is. and then lead them to help them feel more present. Right? Getting grounded can help people open up to receive.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): It helps create community breathing together. For example, right? There's there's a it brings people together. Getting grounded can be a pattern break from the rest of the busy day.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): It can look like leading people through a meditation. They can be sitting, they can standing. It can be about, connecting to the heart. It can be about following the breath, but it can also be. Some of you have heard me do storytellings at the beginning
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): of a session. That's a a way also to create inspiration. But get people kind of focused right to bring more presence. It can be singing, it can be an evocation.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): etc. Etc.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Alright. Let me pause on that thoughts or questions before we move on on any of these pieces. Step one
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): either at the very beginning or each step of the journey. Anything else that wants to be said or spoken on that?
No.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): okay.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So that brings us to step number 2 on that overarching journey
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): which is to help your clients or your participants locate
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): where they're starting on the journey.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Now, as I said earlier. this is a really important step, because it will help your participants understand again, it's another way of understanding how important it is to travel
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): on the journey.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): It will help your participants
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): feel more energetically invested, taking the journey and excited about doing the work together. helping people locate where they are when they start
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): is also
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): it's part of the transformation process. because awareness of where you are is so key to transforming anything.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): It's very hard to transform something. If you don't know where you're at with it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I know this is obvious in so many ways, but I think sometimes when we go to put our programming together our curriculum together, we forget about this
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): right? It is so much easier to change something that you are aware of
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that make sense.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay. so how does this
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): look? Practically here? It can look many different ways. here are some examples.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Number one. You can ask people to assess
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): where they're at after you've kind of introduced. Given the inspiration. And the why right? So, as an example, one of the modules in the sacred depths, training is being in the mystery. Which is supporting clients, not only to clarity, but like, when there's times to actually be in confusion or letting go, etc.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So one of the ways that I start that class, some of you might remember, is, I ask people first to just assess, on a scale of one to 10, how comfortable are you with being in the mystery on a scale of one to 10. How comfortable are you with letting go?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Where are you? Good at being in the mystery and letting go. Where do you have difficulty
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): with being in the mystery and letting go?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you can do this. I think I did this at the beginning of life changing courses. Where are you already? Fantastic
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): as a leader, you know, even if you haven't run a course yet, or offered a course yet what? What are the things to celebrate about that?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Right? And then where are the places where you have trouble? Or you're worried that you're gonna have trouble
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): helping people locate where they are on the journey. Another way that you can do this
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): is
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): giving people a checklist where they can check off. they can kind of like check off what's true for them. So back to the the jealousy and comparison
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): after I
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): help people kinda get clear on the why, and this is, you know, sort of part of it. I give them a handout that has lots of different ways, that jealousy and comparison in not helpful ways might be coming up for them. Just lot tons. It's like 30, 40 different examples.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And I ask people to check off which of the examples are active for that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): right? Again, as a way of locating where they are on the journey.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Sometimes this locating where you are on the journey looks like a completely separate from remembering the why other times it's just integrated in right? So that when you're asking the why questions, why are you here? etc., etc. You first might want to ask again, like, Where is this working? Really? Well? Where is this not working very well, or what are the obstacles, right? So it doesn't have to necessarily be its own separate thing.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Let me pause there. Thoughts, ideas.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What's sparking for you about this step number 2, helping people locate where they are when they start the journey? Or what questions do you have on that.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Deva?
Deva Munay: I think it's just really helpful, especially if you have people in a mixed group who've maybe done the work before, how can you go deeper with the information? What do you wanna deepen into this cycle around, and that it's not linear, and to be able to kind of bring people from various stages on the same journey. Yes, II love that.
Deva Munay: Oh, sorry! Was there one more part there? Oh, I said, but and still make it individual that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): absolutely. It's it's such a great point. I'm so glad you're bringing it up. It is a way to make the journey that you're gonna take people on accessible from a couple of different points
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): on the journey. Good, Michael, and
Michelyn.com (MIKE-uh-lin): it it's also like hitting me in a new way that you're really pulling from the subconscious at this level. that it's really powerful stuff. We all we know where we're really good at stuff. We know where we're not good at stuff, but to actually sit and think about it and write it down, or talk about it, to have examples in our mind of when we do that thing.
Michelyn.com (MIKE-uh-lin): Is pretty
Michelyn.com (MIKE-uh-lin): deeply
Michelyn.com (MIKE-uh-lin): entrenched stuff that can be hidden, and I love that.
Michelyn.com (MIKE-uh-lin): There's a process to get there. We don't, just.
Michelyn.com (MIKE-uh-lin): you know, start there. But but let's let's make it safe for people to really uncover this hidden information about themselves.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Absolutely. Yes, and normalize. Right? There's gonna be things about this, that great out there gonna be things about this where you're struggling, and that there's no shame in that at all. We we all have a starting point right wherever we're starting on this journey with assets and with some gaps, and let's not make it the big bad wolf. But let's normalize it from the get. Go.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Good, Barbara.
Barbara Daughter, Becoming You Art: What I'm wondering about is whether my perception of where they're starting is
Barbara Daughter, Becoming You Art: is correct, you know. And so, you know, cause that's, you know, like, Hey, they're starting with this. And and
Barbara Daughter, Becoming You Art: I'm just wanting, you know, like I'm thinking about
Barbara Daughter, Becoming You Art: like how wounded they might feel, you know. But will they actually reveal that in this point, you know, at this point, you know. So I'm just kind of like
Barbara Daughter, Becoming You Art: wondering about that. Yeah.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'm glad you're bringing it up. I think there's a couple of pieces to this. So number one.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): all of our marketing that we do is going to, and what we put in our marketing and in our sales conversations. If we're having sales. Conversations for the group is gonna help us
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): keep it so that there's not a wide spectrum of starting points
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): right? There's always gonna be different starting points, because everybody is unique. But if there's something that is out of bounds for that particular journey or out of the scope starting point, that's out of the scope. Ho! Hopefully, we're gonna catch that through really precise marketing sales, conversations.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): etc. Right? So so I don't want anybody to worry about like. What if it's something that this can't, you know? I don't know. And then, because we're we're kind of trying to pre qualify that the whole way through that being said.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): That's another reason why the step can be so valuable for us as facilitators in order to support people, because we might hear some starting places that are within the scope, but that we didn't hadn't thought of before.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And then we can address those as we go on, or give tools for that person. Think about it this way as we look at these things, or you know, whatever that is.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Tara.
Tara Sage: What this is bringing up for me is sort of a reminder to myself.
Tara Sage: that we don't have to fix it right like in the moments when someone brings up. I'm really struggling with this. That's where I am.
Tara Sage: and that's a share. That's not. That's not a time in the flow of the leadership of a curriculum piece
Tara Sage: to remedy it. It's a note like
Tara Sage: we bookmark it, and maybe come back around at the end when that curriculum has spoken to that topic. But
Tara Sage: the importance of holding the container as the leader. I've seen it derail like so many.
Tara Sage: and then we're all in one person's coaching for like 25 min, you know, and the whole curriculum gets derailed. So sort of thinking out loud about that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): sharing. Thank you. Yeah. I'm so glad you're sharing that it's important for us to remember that I mean always one on one on one. Our groups, anyway, we're not there to fix anyone, and there's certain points for awareness, and then certain points for looking at solutions or working through things. And it's so important for us as practitioners to know what that is.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And then what you just said reminded me of a a little kind of tip or tool that can help a little bit with that when people are assessing is I often when I ask people, you know what's not working, or where you having trouble with this or whatever it is.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'll add the phrase without judgment like this isn't. We're not doing this for you to berate yourself, or get really anxious, or start criticizing or judging yourself. We're doing this for awareness, so that we know where we want to work on thing.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and that can sometimes help also.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Cecilia.
Cecilia Kremer: Yeah, so yeah, I think my question is related to that. You know, in doing the beginning and end.
Cecilia Kremer: I'm noticing sometimes like when you're pointing to the issues.
Cecilia Kremer: I am torn like it's it's more of an ethical issue cause I'm torn between, like am I partnering with this person's inner critic.
Cecilia Kremer: and therefore, like using that as as a hook. you know, to
Cecilia Kremer: engage them with with my offering.
Cecilia Kremer: I don't like that. I would love for them to come from a place
Cecilia Kremer: that base, and and I know a lot of people are not there, but in terms of what I want to offer is like, you're already perfect.
Cecilia Kremer: and there's room for growth. Because, you know, this is this. This is what life is all about. It's about growth. It's not about fixing
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): absolutely. Yes to that inside of the curriculum. And also
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): later in December, when we have our marketing retreat, we're gonna go deep into that on how in our marketing do we speak to some of the obstacles without shaming what you know, but with keeping the inspiration and the self love intact
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): while speaking to where someone might need some help and support and encouragement. So absolutely, we don't want to go into the fear mongering
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in any event, you know, and in the marketing.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But that being said, it actually is important to support people to become aware of the places for that they wanna shift, and where they are right now, because that awareness is
Cecilia Kremer: to moving forward. So we'll look at how to do that in the marketing for sure. Okay, thank you. I mean, I guess there's a part of me that's like, Oh, if I tell them they're perfect. They're not gonna want to buy it. And I was just like this car city mindset. That was like, no, that is I. I'm so glad you're bringing it up. And again, we're gonna go much deeper into. I'm glad you're bringing it, because you're not the only one, because
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): so many of the icky things that happen in the transformational industry are about that right, like getting people to buy by shaming them, by activating fear, by creating this hierarchy. Where me, teacher, I am better than you. Let me show you the way to be right, and we don't. I know nobody here wants to do that. We we want ethical marketing
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): where hopefully, the right people are gonna buy because they're motivated
towards the the bigger Y from a positive place.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and that the marketing that they encount, you know. Engage with that we're putting out there actually helps them feel better about themselves. And when we get there you'll see I'm actually gonna make a point for
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what makes people buy is when they feel that they can, when they actually do feel good about themselves. It's actually a a way better motivator to buy. Then, when people don't feel good about themselves, but we'll get there. Thank you. I just need to appease my fear that they're not gonna buy. If I go from that place, appreciate it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Alright. Let's keep on going.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): The third thing that we want to do before we get to our methodology
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): is bring awareness to
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and honor the resistance
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): before the solutions. Right? Which is our stats.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay? So we've already looked at this. We've already spoken about resistance on this call so far.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But I wanna just take a few minutes to break this down a little bit more in terms of the the beginning of a course or retreat, or even sometimes the beginning of a session.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You don't
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): want to skip this, particularly if you know that your people are going to have a lot of resistance
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to the overarching journey or to the topic of the day or the afternoon right? Whatever that step is.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): There's lots of different ways that as facilitators, we're gonna address resistance. What we're gonna look at right now is
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): how to insert it into the curriculum
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): versus. In other instances where it's going to come up for a participant, and then we're going to respond and work with them
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): on it right? But this is kind of a preemptive inserting it into the curriculum.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So, as many of you have heard me say before, but it doesn't hurt to say it again.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Resistance is part of human nature
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and the part of and a part of the growth process
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): period.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): That is because when a human being is in a process of growth.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): or moving towards a goal
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that is really important to them, or moving towards a change in status, in terms of relationship or business, or health or self, whatever that is.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): it is natural that there's going to be some fear that comes up, even if the person really wants to go on the journey, or really wants the end result
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in growth. There's going. Fear is gonna come up for human beings.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and resistance is an an expression
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): or a symptom of fear
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): people, even when they put money down and decide to invest their time and decide to invest their money.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): they still may have a fear
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): rolling around inside of them, even that they're not cognizant of right. And maybe a fear that everybody else is gonna be able in the group is gonna be able to achieve results.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But I'm not going to achieve results.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Maybe there's a fear of what it's going to take
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in order to achieve the results. And then what it's going to mean about them, and what they're going to have to change about themselves or their lives
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in order to go on that journey
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and achieve the results.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Maybe there's a fear, because they already know, even if they're not totally conscious of it yet
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that in order to go on that journey and achieve the results. They're gonna have to change the way they show up in relationships.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): or at the very least in terms of their relationship with themselves.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Right?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And so, because of those fears.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): resistance shows up
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): resistance can look lots of different ways in a group program. It can look like overbooking so that the participant overbooks so that they don't have enough time to participate in the program to show up
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): or do the homework. They make other things a priority. They don't take it seriously. They just don't do the work.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Resistance can show up
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): as being judgmental of what's being looked at. Or oh, I already know that right like I call it the Smarty Pan. I'm a smarty pants. I do this when I go into the I already knew that I need to be here, cause that's too simple, right? Some people express their resistance by getting confused, even though
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): they're, you know, super smart. The steps are being laid out, but it's like there's so much fear that comes up right that that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): they get confused
on and off.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you wanna address resistance
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in one way or another, at least once
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in the overarching journey.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and honestly.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): usually more than once, especially if the work is is stretchy right? And this is important to note, and we'll we'll kind of look more at this later on. But I just want to say it here.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): even when you address resistance head-on and integrate it into your curriculum and do the the pieces that I'm going to mention. Now.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): piece of people are still gonna go into resistance.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): That's because it's part of human nature and part of the growth process. Right? So, this isn't. This isn't like, I'm just gonna do this thing. And then nobody's gonna have resistance ever, you know. There it it will help.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And then we want to come back and continue to address it and respond to it as it comes up
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in my experience I've learned that it is really helpful to start addressing resistance before you even get to the methodology, to the steps, to the solutions.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): because if you address it before, then people will already be more open to receiving and to going on the journey.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I don't know if I've already mentioned it since we started, but one of my most favorite sayings is an ounce of preframing is worth a pound of reframing.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): An ounce of preframing is worth a pound of reframing. What that means is
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): better. Take just a little bit of time to frame something like resistance beforehand. It will save you having to backtrack and start from the beginning and wrangle so much in after.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay, so then, how do you address
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): resistance preemptively, how do you embed it into the curriculum.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): The simplest way is is is a 3. Step way. name it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): normalize it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): give a solution around it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): name it, normalize it, give a solution around it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So. for example, A, give me an example of this.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Let's say that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you're teaching visibility, strategies, love, visibility, strategies for business.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): addressing resistance by naming, normalizing, giving a solution might sound like this. Oftentimes, when you start to take actions to create more visibility.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): even though you really want visibility.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Also a lot of fear can come up, and you may not even realize that you're scared. It might come up as not taking the actions that you that we are looking at in the class, it might come up as feeling like the strategy we're looking at is stupid.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): It might come up as you get really busy, and then you don't have time to take the actions. It might even look like you getting angry at me.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I want you to know that all of this
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): is within the realm of Norwal.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): It is so normal. It's just
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): fear showing up.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And that's all. And it just because you feel that way. It doesn't mean that you're not going to succeed
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and creating visibility for yourself. The key.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): if it happens, is to be aware of it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and if it feels important to let me know about it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Right? So it could just be that simple right? Name it normalize it. Give. The solution, was, be aware, and if you want, talk to me about it
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): sometimes I'll go further in this stack.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and I'll a after II kinda give this little spiel. I'll have people journal a little bit right? So what are some of the resistance points for you? Are you someone who's normally is smartypants, or who doesn't do the homework or all the things. And then I might ask a question like, so if that happens in this course.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what is that really about? What is the fear that would be underneath
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that for you. What are you scared of here?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Are you scared that you're not gonna be able to do it right, and I might go through different things.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): If I want to take more time with this. then I'll do a whole teaching on it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): which, by the way. That was part of why we started
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): life changing courses with energetics
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): right where we looked at a belief that might be holding you back.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and why I have continuously come back to looking at beliefs and fears as we've
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): been going along.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Sometimes when I'm in person, leading a retreat. or whatever it is we'll do a ritual after, you know. Kind of talking a little bit in the beginning about what you might be resistant to. We'll do a ritual where we release
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): some of the we don't ever release fears because I don't believe in releasing fears. I believe we need them, but releasing some of the beliefs or the behaviors, etc. We like, we start with that, so that people also cause. The other thing is like.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): when you start with that then you have a shared language throughout the course or the retreat with your group. If someone is having trouble right, you can go back to then, looking at it, talking about it, etc.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Alright! Let me pause here. What's sparking for you on this
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): preemptively addressing oh, and I'll just say again beginning of the course. But then I also do this oftentimes before something particularly edgy, right? If the topic for the day within the course is something that's hard, I'll speak to resistance.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): We'll get to this when we even look at particular exercises. If there is an exercise that I sense
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): people might have resistance to. They might think it's weird, or it might be scary or blah blah! I'll speak to resistance right at the beginning of the exercise as well. Right? So I'm pulling this out
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): different in different moments. as I'm facilitating.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Alright!
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What's sparking for you? What's feeling important here? What are you seeing? What questions do you have
Robyn Vogel: I put something in the chat?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Do you want to just say it, or should I read it out?
Robyn Vogel: Sure, I said, it's really helpful, because it helps people feel seen and understood, and
Robyn Vogel: they can also identify things that they might not have recognized or might be feeling in their bodies, but not able to articulate
Robyn Vogel: yet. and and then I think they're open to receiving more deeply. And I have to say, like.
Robyn Vogel: after teaching, you know, I've been teaching for a long time, like 20 years or more.
Robyn Vogel: And I really don't
Robyn Vogel: spend time on this to be honest, like as deep as the work I've done with people. It's been so deep
Robyn Vogel: I don't really feel like I
Robyn Vogel: intentionally like, put in a place for addressing resistance.
Robyn Vogel: Yet, up until now like I'm starting to because I'm listening to you. But I'm just about. I'm leaving tomorrow for Costa Rica, and I'm leaving a week long retreat and I'm just so grateful to remember
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to talk about this directly. You know, it really puts people at ease, and their nervous systems can relax. And then I feel so much better. Yes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to all of that. I'm so excited for you to experiment with it a little bit
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): more, and you know some of what you're speaking to
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): is this normalizing piece? Right? So I said, name it, normalize it, find a solution around it. I once heard Bernie Brown say, I just love this so much. The opposite of pathologizing is normalizing.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What happens is that we have a fear and then a way we react to the fear, and that's a thing inside of itself.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But then we have shame because we have that fear or we've reacted that way, cause we think we're the only ones. And we're the weirdo. And what's wrong with us? Because no right
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): speaking about the resistance in our groups in this way it normalizes it, and it can take a lot of the shame out of it
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): as well.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Courtney, seeing in the chat I'm thinking about, and feeling how important it is to, at least in the case of my work, to also be able to name and normalize external systemic obstacles that may not have a clear solution so as not to fall into bypass.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): or, more specifically to name, that the external circumstances may not be moveable. But how we relate to them is within our control. I love that so much, Courtney. I'm so glad that you're sharing that. And yes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): it's that importance of normalizing.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you know. I call it
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Courtney. You know this. You've been through sacred depths, like I call it honoring what is
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): right like to to name those things that arsaki
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and and and bring them into the process, not as liabilities or like. You can only do this process if this isn't right. But how are we gonna go on this journey with this.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Thanks. So much for sharing that Tara
Tara Sage: so Robin said something about it's all about me, and and laughed right jokingly. And I I wanna just say, like I think it is, in a sense, when you're the leader.
Tara Sage: you know, and how that pre-step of getting grounded and arriving like if we don't do what we need for ourselves to be present and grounded, whatever that is, you know,
Tara Sage: That will energetically infiltrate the experience of the group and the members. And
Tara Sage: I just wanna be a little more unapologetic about the fact that it is kinda all about you in that sense, like you're allowed to fully arrive. And again, I'm speaking both to myself as well as a reminder. So I loved that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): 100% which he follows energy. And for us as the practitioner. If we're not grounded or we're not feeling comfortable or we're right.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Energy follows energy. It's gonna come out
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in one way. So yeah, even though it is about everybody else. It is also about us, so that we can make it for everybody right? Right? Like that declaration piece, too, about like. Why are we here?
Tara Sage: I think, reminding ourselves. You know, we might have blown in from like some other commitment, and we're arriving with our group, and it's like, Oh, yeah, here's the revolution that we're creating here, like, let me say it, too, not only
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to remind others, but to remind myself like, why I'm here, and why I'm doing this. So it's pretty cool. Love that. Yes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Loda, thank you. Thank you.
Vlada Tomova: I'm resonating with so much of this, and as you're asking this question, Joanna, I realize, like it's important to revisit where resistance and fear comes in the process.
Vlada Tomova: for others, because maybe we've expressed it at a certain time, but especially if you're in a longer. If you're in a longer container with people, it will sometimes come up unexpectedly for them, but also
Vlada Tomova: and this has been my experience recently.
Vlada Tomova: it could come unexpectedly for you as the leader like. I don't want to deal with this. Of course, if you are in that position. It's it's we. You find other ways to deal with that around it. But it's this. Multiple layers of of the work that that comes around.
Vlada Tomova: And yeah. yeah. Been great awareness. Yes, yes, absolutely. We. Wanna. And it's so funny. Because that's what I had next in my notes.
And I think also, this is what Robin and Tara
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): are talking about, too. Wanted to say next is. the more that you, as a facilitator, do your inner work around your own resistances and your own fears. Then the more adept you're gonna be at addressing it within your curriculum and with
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): your people.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Right? So if we're avoiding the things that we're resisting, whether it's within what we're teaching or right, all whatever the fear is right. It's gonna be that much harder. But the more that my system as a pre practitioner is regulated like, yes, I do have this fear, and I can be regulated with it. Or yes, I do have some
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): resistance to this, but I know the reason why I'm gonna do it, and I can get regulated with that. Then it's so much easier for me to be able to hold space
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for someone else who might be in resistance and in their dysregulation.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay, so with all of this.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): let me ask all of you right now to just jot down a few notes when you think about
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the course you're teaching or your people that you're teaching?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What are maybe the 3 or 4 most likely types of resistances
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that your ideal client for your curriculum would have. So. as an example, like I said, I know for my people smarty pants like I already know it because my people are so smart.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Right. I know one of the most likely resistances, for my people is like I already know that right and I have to remind them that there's layers that we're going to, even people that have like learnt with me for years. And they know they're gonna get so much like I still have to remind them. Right? So what are some resistances that might come up for your people, for your
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): curriculum?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Another. I'll just give another example, like I said, I know for my people I can't just teach how to put together a curriculum or resistance is I'm not going to be good enough. It's not going to be good enough. It's not right. So II address that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for Nina. I'm glad you're putting that this into the conversation. Physical discomfort, yes, what else please share in the chat.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So that we can all get ideas from each other.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): It's not gonna work for me, or this is confusing, Davis says, confused, overwhelmed. Tara says for Josie, it's too difficult
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): per Khalid. I can't be good choice. Yep.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you all know your people for Vlada. They might just not show up. Speak to that for Amy, not doing the work and self doubt and confusion.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah, good. These are all great.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay? So these are some of the whatever it is for you and your ideal client and your curriculum. You want to think through that, and how you want to speak to that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): right, the beginning of the journey. And then throughout.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): okay, one more piece
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'm sticking it here, but it's like I usually put it
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): at the end of when I address resistance, but it doesn't have to go here. But somewhere on the journey, before you get to your methodology.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you want to think about
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): talking about
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): agreements for the group
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): as well as how to best use the program.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So agreements?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): It, it's gonna look different for E, what you know, it's it's not just. These are the sets of agreements, right that you speak to. It's gonna be different, based on the group. And what's important for your container. But as an example, I can't
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): put this at the beginning
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): of Lcc. For those of you that came to the 3 day it was there. And I'm gonna actually give you a transcript of this, if you at some point, if you want it for yourself. But like for me, one of the common things that I go over in terms of agreements is about the importance
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): of diversity of backgrounds and perspectives, and everybody honoring the different perspectives, the different privileges, being aware of your own privileges before you speak.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): etc. So that's one example of an agreement, right? Other people have agreements like we're only going to use I statements or about confidentiality. Now, some of those agreements, by the way, like.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): are you can put into your contract as well.
and so when you get the bonus training on contracts and templates, that'll that'll be in there for you as well. But you do want to think about
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): beyond the contract, and what people have seen or agreed to, written a written way. What are the important things that you want them to hear your voice on in the beginning
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in order to set the container.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and then
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): how to best use the program
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): again. If you go back to our first call. I spent a few minutes on this right. So I went through each of the components of life, changing courses and the training calls were this, and ask questions and share, and if you know that you need us a space to get it done, we have get it done calls. This is how to use those. And this is how to use the Facebook group. Right? So I spoke about
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to get the most out of the program. These are the different pieces. And these are some things to do.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Michael, and is saying in the chat, I wonder about the resistance of this isn't for me, even if they, after they sign up. Yes, that still comes up for people. And if you know that that is a common thing for your people.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): name it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): normalize it, give a solution right before people get too carried away in their heads with it, name it upfront
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): right? Speak to how it's normal. Speak to how plenty of people have thought this, and they've still got on the journey. And they've gotten so much. And this is why it comes right and and just speak to it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): anything else that wants to be shared or spoken before we go we move on.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): No, okay.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Let me pause here from a moment. I'd love to hear briefly from one or 2 of you, and especially if you haven't. If we haven't heard your voice yet today, I'd love to hear from you?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What are you taking so far about?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Not starting with your methodology steps? What? What are you seeing? What's feeling important? What's really sticking out for? You
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): would like to share.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Don't be shy.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Josie.
Dr. Josie: Hi, there!
Dr. Josie: yeah. It's amazing. When you jump into this, how much Shadow will raise. It's ugly head. Especially. I took the last kind of 3 to 4 days off, but I just really took it off so I could just let things percolate through, and the some of the biggest things are that
Dr. Josie: comparison the comparison jealousy
Dr. Josie: thing. Because there's other people, I mean, I'm in kind of like the Holistic pet healthcare field. But there's other people out there, and all these big influencers and everything that I just I will fall into this thing of like I'm not good enough. I don't ha know enough. Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah! And going down that whole line, and then realizing you know some of what we did early on was just to bring itself back to my own unique message. And what I'm
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): how I'm presenting it. But it's also getting me. I'll catch myself wanting to put so much information into the program and make it so much bigger because of all of that. So you're not alone. I know it's so. It's so good that you're aware right? And coming back to the less is more. And all of those pieces.
Dr. Josie: Yeah, it's
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): yeah good. You know
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): something that Josie just said kind of sparked this for me that I just wanted to kind of pull on, which is that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): even in programs like this one where I don't. We don't specifically do a learning
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): or a module on comparison
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): or jealousy. I know that it's just. It's like inside of us right? It just is. And so if you notice, that's a that's a resistance that I've been addressing throughout. Some of you will have already finished your methodology. Others of you are still working on it. It's okay, no matter where you are right. II know that that is a thing that is a resistance. That is a
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): shadow among my people. That is a fear. And so, even though I'm not head on, we're not doing like a whole module on that I'm still addressing it. I'm naming right
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): or not necessarily even exactly naming it, but kind of speak it
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to it.
Dr. Josie: Sharon.
Sharon Epstein: Hi, I had a question and sorry my video isn't working for the person who just wrote in the chat about people thinking this class isn't for me, or you know, maybe I don't know if I can really do it, even after they sign up.
Sharon Epstein: I was thinking that maybe there are ways to address that in marketing before they actually, you know, begin the class. And I wondered if there was anything you could say now, or is that something we'll talk about? And what are the retreats.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): We're gonna talk about that in our December retreat on marketing, because everything that we're learning about what to put in our curriculum. We also want to put into our marketing. And so we definitely want to speak to those resistances in our marketing as well. You're totally spot on, but it would take me way too long. Describe it in the marketing right now we're gonna get there.
Sharon Epstein: Okay? Perfect. Okay? Thanks.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah. Glad you're bringing it into the conversation, though, cause it's good to be thinking about it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay. I'm gonna bring us back
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to the shared screen again for a moment, just so that we can see where we are.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay. So we've been, we've looked at these first 3 components and the the setting of the container. And what needs to happen at the beginning, so that people can really be ready so that their hearts can be open. Their minds can be open, their nervous systems can be ready, like all the things to get to 4. Which is the bulk of your program right? It's all of your steps. It's your step-by-step journey of your thought leadership.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): We're gonna spend the rest of the time today looking at what happens after your thought leadership.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): because you don't want to just end here
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): with the last step of your thought leadership.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Think
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): about
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): school. like high school or college, or elementary school, or whatever it is.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): School doesn't end. On the last day of class. The last lesson
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that the teacher teaches
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): high school ends with a graduation.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and that graduation
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): is a very important component on those hero's journeys.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): even though there's no teaching in the graduation.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): The graduation is there, so that the the students, the heroes right, they can take a moment before they go on to the next thing to integrate.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to see the journey that they've taken on.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to seal in the lessons. to feel the integration, the sense of accomplishment.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and the inspiration to then move on and can, and to use that journey
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): out in the world wherever they go.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that make sense.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So just like
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that. we wanna have things baked into our hero's overarching journey, as well as in each lesson
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that serve that same purpose.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So after that overarching step 4, with all the different steps of our methodology.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): First thing we want to do and we don't want to end. First thing we want to do
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): is support our client to integrate. Now, hopefully, we're actually supporting our participants to integrate
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): all along.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I model that every single class where I pause to ask journaling questions, or I pause to ask for shares or what sparking for you. Right? So we're doing that ideally, unless it's a home study. You're ideally, even within a home study, you can ask integration questions throughout, right? But also for sure at the end.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you're gonna ask, what did you learn?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What are you taking away, for example? Right? This supports with integration. The way that human beings learn and grow best
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): is that they have a transformative experience. They learn something new, or they stretch in some way, or they get new information.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and then, if they can put into words
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what they are learning, what is shifting, what they are seeing, what they are getting. then all of that learning and growth can go deeper inside of them
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that make sense.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Additionally.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the integration, particularly not at the end end of the course. But throughout.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): it's important for us as facilitators and teachers.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to hear
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): takeaways.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): It helps us track the progress in the room.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): It helps us see what's being learned, or what maybe, was I not clear enough on that? I need to be more clear on, or where there gaps? And you know that I'm gonna address.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Also, I like, whenever there's time. And I do this, I spend a lot of time, this on the end of a program. A little time on this, at the end of each session,
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): asking people to share their takeaways, not just for me as the facilitator, but so that the other people in the group
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): can be reminded of maybe some shifts and takeaways that they didn't yet know. But they're like, oh, yes, she said that. Yeah, that, too, for me, or that sparks something else for me.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So the most practical way to do this is at the end to ask, What did you take away. What did you learn?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): if it's the end of a long program, I give people time to really spend time. What are all? What are the things right another. Sometimes I'll say, what are the inner pieces? What are the outer pieces? Or if I'm training practitioners, I'll say, what are the
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): pieces that you're taking as a practitioner. And what are the pieces that you're taking for yourself personally, because we always do a lot of inner work with, with even the the learning of how to be a practitioner.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You can say what are the top? 3 things that you're taking away, or what shifted since we began our journey.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): or what would you like to celebrate
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): from where we started to where we are now?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay. But in one way or another
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you wanna give that space, and then, of course, if you want to add other elements, you can make it into a ritual. People can write it on pretty paper. They can. You can do a ceremony where they more deeply take each of the lessons in semantically right there. There's lots of kind of fun things, but at least on the cognitive level, some kind of articulation
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): of that.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So that's step number 5 is
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): support client to integrate to know what they're taking away.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and then on the heels of that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the last piece.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): course, retreat, etc.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Seal it in and look to the future.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So this is the like actual receiving of the diploma. Right? You can think of the if this metaphor helps the lead clients to integration is kind of like the final exams. Oh, my gosh! I learned all that. I know all this stuff right? A. A fun exam, where people feel good about themselves.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and then
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the sealing it in and looking to the future is the handing of
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the diploma.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): It is that I did this.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): This is amazing. And now, with all of this. here's what I can do next.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Here's what is possible next. This is what the next journey might
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): so practically this could look like
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): leading participants to write a sacred commitment, now that they see all that they've received right over the course.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What is a sacred commitment that you want to make.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and you can have pretty paper for them. They can write that commitment on pretty paper. You can do like somatic pieces where they really take it into their body, their heart, their soul.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): If you're a little more matter of fact, it can be okay. Now that you have all these learnings, now that you've accomplished all of this, you know, etc., etc. Write down your next 3 steps
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): as you go out into the world. Now, what are the next? 3 things that you're gonna do.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): It can look like
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): everybody sharing a word or a phrase of what they are taking with them.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So Brenda's asking for a somatic example. So sometimes, after I have people get clear on what their sacred commitment is that they're taking with them. I might have them write it on a rock or not even write it on a rock, but just infuse it into the rock.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and then I might have them bring the rock with that sacred intention to their heart, to their belly, to their throat. Right! Bring it in that way.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Maybe you invite people to create a stance right like this, or this, or whatever the energy that they're taking next out into the world is, that's another way of bringing it in
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): somatically.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So all that being said, we only have a few minutes left for this call, so let me ask you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): take a moment and write down. What are you taking away from our time together today.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What are you taking away? And then I'll give you an example of a seal it in for just like a particular class versus the whole.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But first, what are you taking away?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And then for this? Seal it in and looking to the feature.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What's one action, staff that you feel inspired to take over this next week, based on everything we've looked at.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What's on action stuff that you feel inspired today.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'd love to hear shares on takeaways and any questions that you have raw
Rochel Keller: my takeaways. All this time that I've been working on this project I've been working on the Content. and all of a sudden. It's become
Rochel Keller: a process like like a professional thing before. It was just like I was just, gonna you know, help my friends out or something. But now it's a step by step. thing you know, like I have to be there. I have to put this work into it. I have to do this.
Rochel Keller: and and the thing that I take away from it is like
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): it gives me more opportunity and more incentive to keep on going. I'm just got chills when you said that I'm so so happy to hear. Yeah. And I see that on your face it's so happy to see it
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): beautiful. Thank you. Jen.
Jennifer Rose Gens: yeah, really appreciating today.
Jennifer Rose Gens: And
Jennifer Rose Gens: for me, my action step is
Jennifer Rose Gens: like to actually do the thing you've mentioned like 3 times. Now, like, yeah, just send me your program, or like, put it group
Jennifer Rose Gens: like, yeah, totally. And I don't might not be able to see it, my screen. But I have like so many note cards over here like they're just waiting. So my action step is finish the step by step process. Just take one. You know. I'm starting to take steps. I've got a whole program in my Google drive. Now just go in there and refine it like focus.
Jennifer Rose Gens: And my question for you kind of circling back from the beginning was about strategy sometimes. Okay, hold on 1 Si just want to see if there are any other shares on the class today. And then I'm gonna answer your strategy question. Okay, cool.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Courtney is saying in the chat. This is all helpful for envisioning a more holistic experience and also validating because I'm realizing that I've already baked some of this into what I thought was all about my straight up methodology. I love that. And yes, you know. What I oftentimes say is a lot of times what I share and teach.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You're already doing it. But you didn't realize that you were doing it. And now you can do it even better, because we've kind of broken it down. So that's awesome.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Vlada.
Vlada Tomova: So my take away is feeling encouraged. About about stepping over my own resistance
Vlada Tomova: and
Vlada Tomova: and inviting my collaboration, my collaborators to actually come into into a conversation and actually take them through this whole process
of the Y and the inspiration. It's not going to be a particular class, but it's actually going to be within a meeting where
Vlada Tomova: that's awesome. Yeah, yeah.
Vlada Tomova: I'm so excited. Thank you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay, Jen, I'm gonna take your question. And Khalida, I saw in the chat that you have one, too. That doesn't relate to today. I
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): can only go about 5 min past 4. I have to pick up my daughter. So, Kalita, if I don't get to you, either ask it in the Facebook group. I will respond to it. You know, as soon as possible, or if you want a voice to voice on it. We will. We'll have time next week.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Jen.
Jennifer Rose Gens: Thank you. Okay. So
Jennifer Rose Gens: I was doing a little self inquiry about like what gets in my way from just sitting down and focusing. And you know, doing the thing. And there's a few things.
Jennifer Rose Gens: but I know that structure creates freedom and putting it on my calendar, and like just making, you know, waking up. And me like, today's the day, you know.
Jennifer Rose Gens: but I also kind of need and want to feel really inspired to actually do the things. And I do feel that today. So this is great. I know it's gonna carry on. But what gets in my way is like wanting to connect with others. So in this example, it'd be like getting off this call and like checking my phone. And then suddenly, I'm like responding or reacting to other people.
Jennifer Rose Gens: Needing to move my body. It's sunny out. I live in Portland. I'm like, Oh, my God! It's sunny! I have to go outside, and then the other piece would be resting because I'm tired.
Jennifer Rose Gens: and then, like shaming myself for not doing other creative projects that you know like are right behind me, like singing bowls and the blue pedal. And
Jennifer Rose Gens: then I'm just gonna get a little overwhelmed. And I realize I'm expending energy on
Jennifer Rose Gens: feeling like, I need to do all these things. And really, what I want is to be inspired.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah. So it's such a great question, and I'll I'll offer this for you to play with, and then we can see how it goes this week.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I think some of the things that you mentioned are really important things, right rest connecting with others being out in nature. And
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): actually, those are really vital to our creative process. and to be having that inspiration that you're talking about. So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I would say, and especially cause you for you because you're bringing it up. It's important to actually
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): have those in schedule, those in make sure that there is space for those things and also schedule in
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): creativity time.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So it might be this feeling of like, well, I can't. I just have to like go when the inspiration strikes me, and that might be true. But I will share that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): one of the things that I've seen a lot is that when we do have the spaces for the rest and the nature and the connector, you know, whatever it is that we need to fuel us.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Then, if we also have a container set from spending this hour on my curriculum.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): if we can connect back into the why of like, why is this so important like, why is this a stop gonna use revolution? Cause you really read that resonated for you like. Why am I so excited about this revolution? It will help spark. E. Then the creativity will come. So I would say, schedule in both schedule, the curriculum, time
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and schedule, the the nurturing, like fueling of self time. Is that helpful?
Jennifer Rose Gens: Yeah.
Jennifer Rose Gens: I don't mean to be smartypants, but I feel like it's something like.
Jennifer Rose Gens: I know this. I just sometimes wanna be
Jennifer Rose Gens: 8 to 9 people at once.
Jennifer Rose Gens: so I can do it all at the same time.
Jennifer Rose Gens: like, I mean, it's not.
Jennifer Rose Gens: you know, just being honest, it's nothing new.
Jennifer Rose Gens: And I tell my clients to like, oh, scheduled in sacred appointments. Make a sacred appointment. So yeah, maybe there's something really deeper about the revolution. And
Jennifer Rose Gens: yeah, just like
Jennifer Rose Gens: understanding what I'm consuming my energy on, even with like relational dynamics and going through a breakup. And it's
Jennifer Rose Gens: yeah. It's just been a lot so
Jennifer Rose Gens: trying to like refocus. And
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): yes. And also it's important to tend to yourself in a breakup. Right? So decide, okay, I can't be 9 things. But maybe I can be 3 things. What are the 3 things that I'm gonna be? And what am I gonna put aside for later? I'm not leaving them behind in the dust forever. But I'm focusing on these things.
Jennifer Rose Gens: Okay, love you. Thank you
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): 2, Khalida, do you think I can answer your question in 4 or 5 min? If so. let's do it.
Kellita Maloof: Gonna try and and we can just stop, even if it's at a not complete part. What's happened for me in in this process so far is I.
Kellita Maloof: This is not a new thing.
Kellita Maloof: I feel much more motivated and interested in creating not a certification program, but taking on apprentices
Kellita Maloof: to grow the work in that way, I my interest in doing the the 9 month or something, or mix it's it doesn't have the weight and weight and legs of.
Kellita Maloof: And I'm I'm asking myself also, wait a minute. Is this a red herring? Am I just not wanting to do?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Am I trying to hide from doing that? I don't think so. I'm gonna give a little more time. What is the draw towards the apprentices? What it? What is, what, what is calling you to that?
Kellita Maloof: Because I
Kellita Maloof: I do. I do believe that
Kellita Maloof: the work I'm doing is most suited for very small groups.
Kellita Maloof: and me at my maximum capacity can only serve the tiniest amount of people, and it really wants to get out. It wants to be interlocking circles so that it just.
Kellita Maloof: you know, that wave has come before. And honestly, I think
Kellita Maloof: to be very frank, I was afraid, in in the scarcity way of oh, no! Then there'll be people who are doing it for less than I am. And what have you? I am willing to, just
Kellita Maloof: if that happens. But the work lives, and I don't think it will happen. I think it can. Still. So I understand that II you've created this beautiful body of work that is, wants to have a legacy. It does for sure. And it needs a structure. So yeah, so I wanna tell you, I wanna just reflect back some things that I'm hearing.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): That's number one right? Like it. It has a you know it has a legacy beyond you which I just so honor, and you know, is amazing, right?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Another thing I want to reflect back, and I don't think this is a limiting belief? I this feels like a truth is that you know you're meant to work with
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): fewer people at a time. That's where your superpowers are. That's how the the work that you're sharing can be best used and leveraged
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for people. Right? So let's make that a benefit, not a liability.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You know what I mean. Let's not look at it as well. So then it's not as good as it goes for all the people right, but like, really like, yes, this is
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): oh, I mean, so much of your work is about intimacy. So of course, right? Yeah, like, this is, this is for an intimate group.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So what I would say is to leverage that just a a couple of things number one.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And I don't. I have no agenda. These are just things for you to think about.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): is it? Does it
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): only have to include apprentices? Or can it be apprentices plus people who just really wanna go deep into the work kind of like how Yoga teacher training mostly people who are training to be a teacher, but also people who just love Yoga so much that they want the training right? So that's just one you don't have to answer now. But that's one thing to think about right then, from a business
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): perspective.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): This doesn't have to be this. But just for, like being able to put food on the table, I often think about
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the more intimate the program the higher the price of the program.
Kellita Maloof: Yeah.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): right? So those are some places that II would think. But I say, own it
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): like, own it. 100%. Those 2 things that there's a legacy to this that is beyond you, and that this is actually like the best way to do this work is intimately right, and
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): lean into that, and let's see what wants to happen that feel good.
Kellita Maloof: Yes, I will take those questions and let them sit and
Kellita Maloof: come back. Thank you all. You're welcome
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): alright, everyone sending you lots of love. I'll see you soon.