Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Hi, everybody.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): some moment.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): it's our last class. Oh, my, gosh, how? Did it happen
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): time always for me, is quick and long at the same time.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Maybe it's like that for you as well.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): it's always for me, the the last class. It's funny because it's so, Meta. We're gonna also talk about last session today. So you know, the the last session is always
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): so bitter sweet, in a way. It's always really exciting to kind of launch everyone into to what's next and and to really honor. During this time all of the the work that we've done together, and and that you all have done. And also it's like a little sad, right? Because endings
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): are a little sad and while I know I'm gonna keep in touch with so many of you, I hope. I hope I hope. And I know some of you are. Gonna continue in our work together. This iteration right of the circle will never be again. And so there's there's also a letting go
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in that as well.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): We are going to end on like in a in an amazing way, we're gonna make the most. We have 2 and a half hours. Today, we're gonna be doing a lot.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): We are gonna be looking at
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): how to invite your groups to continue working with you, if that's something that's aligned
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and then we're also going to be looking at
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): how to close a group program.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And again it gets to be Meta with that, because I can demonstrate
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): as we do it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): We'll take a break about 90 min and you know, it's important to know for our bladders. So I'm not, you know. We'll we'll have a little break about 90 min in
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): before we jump into all of that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): a just a couple of odds and ends.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay. I mentioned at our retreat last week that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I highly recommend submitting your curriculum
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): before the end of this month.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Which I originally said, you know, end of this month.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): however, it has been a weird
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for 6 to 6 weeks. Just in general, there's been a lot of illness and covid, and just so many different things, and and just general weight of the world all the things, and I know that it has thrown some folks a little bit off track. You know it's been a little distracting, and if that is you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I don't want you to feel like you have to rush to get it in over the next week. So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you have until the end of February.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): If you want me to take a look at your curriculum or the next iteration of it, I'm more than happy to extend that to you. I don't want it to be an excuse. And like, if you've just been putting it off and putting it off right, I don't want it to be an excuse to just keep on putting it off.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But but I also just wanna give us that spaciousness.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Because life happens sometimes it just does right. And and we're all in our own paces, and things come up that we didn't think we're gonna come up.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So you've got. You have that extra time.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Some of you have also been sharing with me drafts of your sales pages.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): so I didn't promise like when you came into the program. I didn't promise to give feedback on that also, because that's that's a lot and at the same time I can't help myself when someone asks for support. I just like I love to give it so. I have been looking whatever you've submitted.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): submitted. I've been looking at it. I'm happy to look at it. But my one little kind of caveat is that I haven't been giving the marketing the full. Look over like I would
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): with a private client that we're really going deep into the copy. I've been looking at it lightly and making the next suggestions that I think would make the most impact
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So I just wanted to make sure I was clear
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): on that.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): If you miss
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the facilitation retreat, I know it's a lot to go back and and listen to 3 days worth of recordings. But I wanna tell you, and I'm sure some people can also say in the chat who were there. It is worth your while to go back
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and review the retreat. We it was way it was facilitation plus plus plus plus plus we. We really went deep into some important shadow pieces, energetic pieces, doozy facilitation pieces.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): all the things you have, all the. And that leads me to another logistics piece. You have all the recordings for life, I would say, and so long as I can afford to have a member center up, you you have the recording, so you don't have to go and run and do it tomorrow. But it is there for you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): For when you're ready, and I know what it's like. When a container ends. We have the best of intentions to go back and re listen to things.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): but we don't really do it. except sometimes we do do it when we put it in our calendars to do it. So that's my suggestion whether it's the facilitation, retreat, or just any other recordings that you want to go back to that. Maybe you missed.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Put it in your calendar now, for even from now or 2 months from now, whatever it is, and maybe you'll be more likely to to actually go back and do it
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and not have it gather dust.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay, 2 other things
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): doesn't look like
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): involved is here today. But I did really just want to thank involved for the amazing space
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that she's held in the get it done sessions and the feedback, and her care for those of you that have gone to those. Get it done. Sessions. You know how incredible she is, and it's just really such a gift that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): we get to have her as support here. So in ball when you listen to this, thank you. Thank you thank you. And then finally, last logistics piece for right now a reminder.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): even though we're done
not done. Cause, I added, a bonus
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): training on February fifth for anybody that wants to come.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You've already gotten information on it. But it is for this group and another group that I lead the embody program. We're gonna
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): spend a couple of hours
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): looking at preview webinars and preview presentations and how to set up
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): a pre a preview experience to lead people into your groups or into your one-on-one work. And that's coming up on February fifth.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What else do I need to tell you? Oh, Facebook Group Facebook group will be open until Monday.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So we haven't been using our Facebook group too much, anyway. But if you still wanna post something there, you know. Ask a question, etc. you've got until Monday, and I'll I'll respond to you and answer everything there after Monday
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): who are going to archive the group.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): which means that nothing new can be added.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But you can always go back and look at old threads and discussions if you want to. And, Kate yes, the fifth will be recorded, and it'll be dropped into your member center afterwards.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay, so facilitation note.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): as we've looked at a couple of times before. Logistics are always important. They're part of the container, right? So that people, even on the last class, right? So people know how we're ending and what is next and right, how we're closing things out. But
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): When people don't know what's happening logistically in the beginning, in the middle and the end beforehand it. It
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): creates a little bit of a looseness in the container. It's harder to settle in right and just feel like, okay. I can lay back. I know what's happening, and I can be open to receive what's here. So be mindful throughout that you're sharing whatever important logistics are important to share with folks
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): any questions on anything that I shared, or other logistics or end of program questions.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Nina, you're saying you don't see it's because it's an added like we added an extra. It wasn't included in the original program. You should have gotten an email about it. I will double check on that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But I'm pretty sure you did get at least one. But I'll give you. Let me give you all the details right now. So that class on the fifth
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): is happening from 2 to 4 Eastern on Monday, the fifth. And I'm also just gonna make a note
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to double check with the team.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Any other questions on logistics.
No?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yes. Monday, the fifth of February.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay. If any come up, we'll have time later in the call as well.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So let's talk about
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): making invitations
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): at the end of a group
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): into the next.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So one of the, I think, one of the hardest things in the coaching business or the transformational industry, etc., is magnetizing new clients.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): it takes a lot for someone new to find you and then to feel resonant with what you're doing.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and then to feel they need what you have to offer.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and then
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to instill trust right for them, to then trust you and trust to make an investment with you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and then to make the sale.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): It's a thing right, and I don't mean to scare anybody off. I make sales to new clients every day it is, and I know many of you do as well. It is very doable.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): It also helps when your work is top notch right when we're doing all the things that we're doing here in life, changing courses that you get referrals right a lot. Some of that work is already done for you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But I'm sharing this to make the following point.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): It can be advantageous. business-wise
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to consider inviting people who have already been through your program, who already know that your work is valuable and amazing, who already trust you and resonate with you
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to continue working with you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Clients who re-sign are also the cheapest, leads money-wise and time and energy-wise.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Now that being said, I know my people cause you're just like me, and I know that for some of you it might feel icky or pushy to consider inviting people who have already invested in working with you to invest more.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I have been there. I still go there.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and that's why I want you to also consider what I'm going to say next
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for me. and I'm guessing for you as well. I don't ever make decisions in my business.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): only based on what's the best business model, and how much money can I make
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for sure, though those are part of the bigger picture.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But I also always make my business decisions based on what is best for my clients.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what is best for the world
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and what feels soul full, fulfilling and on purpose
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for me.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and that's honestly the biggest reason why I almost always invite groups to continue with me
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): because it serves them. I won't make
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): an invitation for people to continue, unless I really believe that continuing is going to serve that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): now some people are gonna be done at the end of your program. They'll have received everything that they need to receive from you and your wisdom expertise the container, the support, right? That is true, and that's wonderful.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But there will also be other people who have gone through your program.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and they're ready for the next leg of the journey.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): They ultimately want to go all the way across country with you. Not part of the way right back to our journey. Metaphor right? Not part of the way.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): They feel good about the journey that they've already taken with your support. and now they're ready for more.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and that more that next leg of the journey it might. But it doesn't always have to include more content new ideas and new practices.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): or that more, that next leg of the journey
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): might include a space for deeper integration of that first leg
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): of the journey right? So we've got new ideas as one way of moving forward, new content, new things to learn.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): but then
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): also sometimes moving forward is what I call integration and implementation programs.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): The opportunity, after so much has been learned in that first leg of the journey, to have more space to integrate
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and implement in a held container.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Don't underestimate the need for that sometimes as well. We don't always have to be coming up with new content and new information and new things to teach.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So. for example.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I invited all of you in life changing courses into advanced steps, and that was actually, for both reasons. So on the new content
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you received so much from life changing courses by way of putting your expertise into thought, leadership and curriculum points, you know, by way of developing exercises to support your curriculum by way of
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): facilitation and energetics.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But for some of you, you're gonna want more content. You're gonna want to go deeper into widening your expertise so that you can bring it into your curriculum, into your exercises. You're gonna wanna learn how to work semantically with fears. You're gonna wanna learn how to work with shadow, with dreams, with archetypes, with compulsions, you know, etc.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in order to deepen your curriculum in order to make your programs more effective, and in order for you to go deeper into your your own work, and energetics
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): advanced also checks off the integration and implementation box in the sense that you have my ongoing support for a year on any curriculum that you create or business questions that come up.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You get to see more modeling of my facilitation skills, and, you know, have them broken down. So there is that integration of everything we've learned
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): if I felt called to and this is just to give you different ideas.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I could create a different program after life, changing courses that is just solely
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): implementation and integration right? Without any new content. It might look something like 6 months or 12 months of continued Q. And a. And feedback
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): on curriculum continued, get it done, sessions, and then continuing to workshop your exercises, your sales, pages, etc.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Sometimes
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the best next step for people
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): is to do the same exact program again to step into the the next cycle. No separate program at all. I do that with sometimes with advanced depths, with sacred depths.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): An earlier iteration of life. Changing courses was called curriculum lab. People did curriculum lab 4 or 5 times over. That's an opportunity to go deeper right into implementation and integration.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Sometimes the next step, the next leg of the journey that's going to serve people best is private work together
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): right? So there's lots of different ways for the people that are ready for more.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You have to choose what feels. Again, you want to look at business model, you want to look at what's best for them, and you want to look at what feels sole satisfying and what works for you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And then, of course. if you choose to invite people to continue with you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): It needs to also meet your needs as a human and also be part of your purpose. So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you know just one piece of this that I'll mention. For example, for me. I'm a relationships person.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I do the best of the best of my work. When I already know somebody when we already have trust established, and then we're able to go so much deeper.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But that's not everybody. Some practitioners are launchers. They they do their best work. They meet someone, they they launch them off on their way, and then they're done right. They're not in it for the long haul the deeper relationship, the integration and implementation work. Right? If that's you, you wanna think about how you are or are not inviting people to continue.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay. So I just mentioned a lot in that kind of little intro.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): let me pause here. I'd love to hear what sparking so far, what ideas is this bringing up
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what's feeling important? What's resonating for you?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Who wants to share what's feeling important? Robin?
Robyn Vogel: Well, once again your brilliance is shining through. I'm just ending the 8 week.
Robyn Vogel: the 2 month heal your heart intensive before
Robyn Vogel: you know I'm not launching the new one until May or the like. The 5 to 6 month month month one.
Robyn Vogel: And honestly, like we're meeting tomorrow. And I still don't know exactly what I want to do. Yeah, I did offer them a bonus class.
Robyn Vogel: that I may do Friday, but I may do a little further out.
Robyn Vogel: And I guess you're just giving me some ideas. I did offer them a private 15 min.
Robyn Vogel: I think that was part of our yeah. So I offered them that, and some of them have signed up.
Robyn Vogel: And
Robyn Vogel: yeah, I guess I'm just sort of
Robyn Vogel: what's not clear to me, and it's not necessarily a question to answer here, but just to say, like what's not clear to me is like
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): how much they've gotten out of it so far, like kind of where they are like, I feel like you don't have a pulse track on like where they are so much better in like an intensive in person container. You know. I know exactly where everybody is, it's easier to track in person.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay, this is great. I'm so glad you're bringing this up because you're not the only one. And this is gonna happen. I wanna pull on a couple of places to go from here. So number one.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you can. It takes a little courage right? But I think it could be worthwhile. You can actually say to them.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you know, I've been tracking you as closely as I can as one can track online, and for some of you. I have a a better idea of where you're at and what you've received, and what you're needing next, either with or without my support, and for some of you I don't know.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): It would be of so much value for me. and also I think it would be valuable for you
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): if we could connect on this right, and then you can, and either invite people. You can speak to them, one on one, and that's part of what you know you can do regardless in the 15 min.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): or you can have a a session that you invite them to come to where you find out more right. But sometimes we don't know where the group is, and in order to know
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what they need next. we need to find out the other way to do that is to say. I know that so many of you are gonna want to keep on going.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and you can speak generally into what that would look like, and then again say honestly, but because I want this tailored for you, I actually don't exactly know what the format of that is.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and which of the topics are gonna be most most important. And so if you're interested in continuing, let's have a conversation together, let's see what's important for you. You're not, gonna you know. Then have to sign up for anything at all. It'll be an opportunity for me
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to find out more. And then I'm gonna formulate something. Right? So you can, you have to be all I know, all the things you can. Just you can speak your your truth. Then let people know your intentions and and see who wants to come
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): from there.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): It is great to know what's next, and you know what we look at in terms of how to make the invitation. It's assuming, you know. But sometimes you don't, and you need to find out.
Robyn Vogel: Yeah, thank you. That's helpful for tomorrow
Robyn Vogel: and beyond tomorrow. Thank you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah. Good timing. I'm glad.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Courtney.
Courtney Reed-Marsh: Hey, Joanna? okay. So, as I have mentioned before, this program that I'm developing is really a
Courtney Reed-Marsh: It's it's not like a total divergence from the work that I've been doing, but it's a new direction in that. It's taking some of the very sort of.
Courtney Reed-Marsh: So it's taking the the ideas and some of the practices that I've been doing with a very specific audience. And it's sort of re
Courtney Reed-Marsh: and putting them in a in a context that's applicable to a broader audience in a way that is
Courtney Reed-Marsh: feels really important and really exciting to me, and also I'm not looking to shift all of the work I do
Courtney Reed-Marsh: to to be in this new direction all the time. And so this is a thing that I've been thinking about and trying to feel into in general. So I'm so grateful that you're talking about this right now. I'm sort of wondering, you know, and I'm still building the curriculum, of course, so it's not like
Courtney Reed-Marsh: I need to have this answer right away. But I but I feel like I'm in this place of not really knowing whether that next
Courtney Reed-Marsh: offering that I can extend to people should be, or whether I want it to be
Courtney Reed-Marsh: something that's framed as like
Courtney Reed-Marsh: we've done all of this work together. And if you're also a person who happens to fit into my core audience over here. Here's here's what I have to offer to you, and for the rest of you it's been an amazing opportunity to work together, and I hope that you take this work into the world and incorporate it in your life, and whatever is most meaningful, and make it your own, and blah blah blah blah blah, or if it's
Courtney Reed-Marsh: that I need to, then also come up with something to you, cause I could also see creating, you know, an offering that is a space to continue to integrate and and be in community and support one another, you know, and
Courtney Reed-Marsh: but doing but doing both of those at once feels like
Courtney Reed-Marsh: too much for me, and probably and would muddy the waters and and all of that. So I'm just curious. If you have any thoughts about that. Yeah, it's such a great question. So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): first thing I'm going to say you already know. But it is good to say and remind you, you don't need to know. Now.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): there's so much you're gonna learn about this new group group of people that you're gonna be that you could do it and be like, I hate working with those people, those people again, right? Or you could do it and be like
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): who knew this was my, I want this to be the main focus, right or somewhere in between. But you'll know halfway through, or whatever right so so much is still in the mystery.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and to be revealed.
Courtney Reed-Marsh: Yep.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): from their
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): again, one of the questions we always wanna ask is, what is best for me and what is most soul satisfy? Right? So yeah, what's best for the business model? What's best for the people and what's best for me. And we wanna look at all of that together. And so one of the things to look at is what's gonna feel most satisfying
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for you, is it? Gonna feel if you're gonna if there's only one program to create next. And I agree with you, one at a time. Is it gonna be continuing with this broad is that's what you're gonna feel drawn to, or is it gonna be no back to that right? And if it's back to the smaller niche.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that's okay, right? And then the invitation is gonna be just to the people in that smaller niche
Courtney Reed-Marsh: start with?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Right? Yeah. There was one other thing that I wanted to say.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): oh. so my embody program which you know, a little bit about. So for years
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): after someone did safer depths. The only really next step option with along the lines of safer depth, was advanced
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and advanced
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): was for every is for everyone who's been through sacred depths and others like life changing courses. But you have to be a particular. You have to really wanna go into the shadow work and the advanced and like, commit yourself to the sematics and the depth right? So in some ways it is a neat it. It is a niche of the bigger life, changing courses or sacred deaths.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): For years I wanted
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): a program after sacred depths that anyone that would apply to anyone, but I had to put it off for years and years and years because I didn't have the bandwidth. But finally, this last year I created embody, which was is like an I and I program in in a lot of magical ways. And I just back invited
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): anyone who had ever been in sacred death, and we had 50 plus people from like years ago. Right come back in.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I had to wait until it was the right time for that. So you know, depending on how things go. I guess I'm sharing this with you and everyone to say
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): we don't have to. Sometimes we get like this, because it's like, Oh, I can't do all the things. Sometimes we can do all the things it just has. It's it's a longer timeframe.
Courtney Reed-Marsh: Yeah, that makes so much sense. Thank you.
Courtney Reed-Marsh: Yeah, is that helpful? It is, yeah, okay.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay, good.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay. Before we continue, I just also want to check in. Does anybody want to comment on the but it feels icky to invite people to continue peace.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and maybe what is sparking for you so far around that from this conversation.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): because I know it can be a thing sometimes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Monica, yeah, go ahead.
Monisha Mittal, Powhatan Empire, Virginia, She/Her: Well, it's kind of a incremental bridge to your, to the question you're asking. I mean, what's coming through clearly for me is
Monisha Mittal, Powhatan Empire, Virginia, She/Her: like at the end.
Monisha Mittal, Powhatan Empire, Virginia, She/Her: You kind of want to hit the. you know, kind of where we started. And you kind of want to hit some of those those mile markers
Monisha Mittal, Powhatan Empire, Virginia, She/Her: and cause. And I'm speaking from a place of like the the 2 play groups I ran at the beginning of the year. This is exactly where I was struggling, and I didn't have even you know the kind of mile markers like you've helped, you know, or helped me articulate in this course
Monisha Mittal, Powhatan Empire, Virginia, She/Her: and and and kind of using that as a gas pedal to gauge. You know where where people are at, because then from there
Monisha Mittal, Powhatan Empire, Virginia, She/Her: it's a very reasonable glide path to saying.
Monisha Mittal, Powhatan Empire, Virginia, She/Her: You know, we already know why this is important. We already know what is hard about practicing, practicing, practicing this. And so in order to support that.
Monisha Mittal, Powhatan Empire, Virginia, She/Her: here's XYZ.
Monisha Mittal, Powhatan Empire, Virginia, She/Her: So yeah, I love that? Yeah, it that. And that does feel like an answer to the question, because
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the more that you that we as practitioners can see, this will serve th this for some of these people. This is actually exactly a beautiful next step, that is is, gonna help them continue, at least for me. Then it doesn't feel icky. It's like, yes, yes, they already invested, and whether or not they hit every single goal or not.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that doesn't mean that there's they're not going to benefit from more support.
Good!
Monisha Mittal, Powhatan Empire, Virginia, She/Her: The
Monisha Mittal, Powhatan Empire, Virginia, She/Her: I just wanted to share that your formula or principals already worked. I was co-leading something on Saturday.
Monisha Mittal, Powhatan Empire, Virginia, She/Her: and I mentioned my course, and this woman came up afterwards and said, Tell me more, and I shared my 5 pillars, and she looked at me and said, that's exactly what I want out of my year. And she said, Take my money.
Monisha Mittal, Powhatan Empire, Virginia, She/Her: Yay, such a great celebration!
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So more of that.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Cecilia.
Cecilia Kremer: Yes, a question that I have. It's not necessarily at the end, but when sometimes like half way through, and that happens in my 101 coaching sessions as well.
Cecilia Kremer: like sometimes. So in a group scenario. you know. Sometimes you do one on one work.
Cecilia Kremer: you know, in front of the group, and it supports the group and everything. And then you sense that there is more to it
Cecilia Kremer: that you know there's only so much you can work through.
Cecilia Kremer: And you wanna offer, I mean, that has happened to me like this past week. So II realize that I mean, we actually were like at the end of the session.
Cecilia Kremer: doing a little bit of one on one, and I could sense, you know, like this, this could take longer. This is more work.
Cecilia Kremer: And then I said, well, you know, if you wanna continue to work on this, there is this option. But I think the transition was not very smooth, because I could sense that
Cecilia Kremer: you know tension in the client for the program. And then in the middle, you're like you can. We can. Right? Transition between like this is so much, and and and I see that you could use more. But then the client is like, Oh, I'm in, and I feel really bad because the person is. It's very vulnerable
Cecilia Kremer: moment, you know, cause you're just like wrapping up some tender work, any any fields
Cecilia Kremer: it it just feels like, oh, she's I mean for me. My mind. My story is like, Oh, I'm trying to sell her in a vulnerable moment, and that's not. That doesn't feel good to me, you know. But then, again, I don't wanna wait for when she's not in that place and not connected with what the issue is.
Cecilia Kremer: So any tips on how to transition in this moment. Vulnerability? Yeah. So it's such a great question. And
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): when I'm gonna say next, I want everybody remember
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): anything I share is not the truth with a capital T. It is right is for everybody to trust. See for themselves.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I've had that happen before, and when I do, I don't ask in that moment, so I will wait
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): till that evening, or the next day, or even the day after, and then I'll send a note.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and it'll sound, you know. Obviously it's always different. But it's along these lines I'm thinking so much about you, you know, and I might say something about the piece of work that we did, and I wanted to check in to see what's resonating, you know. So glad Xyz came through what's been resonating for you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And then from there. and again. you know one of the things you've heard me say, whether it's facilitation or marketing, whatever it is. I always speak exactly what I'm feeling and thinking.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and I'll say
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): there's no, you know I am not attached to outcome at all. And if you this isn't appropriate, let me know I'm truly just. You're you've already invested in the program. There is no need to invest more.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And I did just want to put this out there
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): we could go deeper with that. with some a private session or some private sessions.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you know, and I just wanted to let you know about it. If that's something that you're interested in, I can send you information on it. If not, I know you're gonna get exactly what you need from the program, right? So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that's kind of
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): how I like, how I handle.
Cecilia Kremer: How does that land for you? Or what does that spark for you? Yeah, there's just one part that I was curious. So you do. II realize you start with the check in. And I was curious. Do you wait for that
Cecilia Kremer: answer to that check in to come. Now you put it all in the same message. Okay. yes, that.
Cecilia Kremer: Yes, II like that. I cause I was. I mean in the moment, you know, when I sense the resistance, I said, Well, and you know you don't need. You know you can do this work on your own if you want to, but then I feel like I'm trying to sell and not sell at the same time. I mean, there's so much going on. So I appreciate yeah. And on an energetic level.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I think it's important like, don't be sensitive, right? Which is why I like to mention you're already investing. You don't need this. but I don't think of it as selling. I, when I invite someone in a program to do a set, a private session or 2 with me, it is because it
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I see that it could be so valuable for them.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): The other thing to mention is, if I know it's someone who
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): probably wouldn't be able to make the investment or who would feel a little touchy about it. Then I'm just gonna follow up and check in. Then I'm not gonna make
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the invitation
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and kind of take it person by person.
Okay.
Cecilia Kremer: that's very helpful. I'm probably gonna go back to the recording afterwards and and take more notes. But I appreciate the rewarding of selling, because I'm also a relationship
Cecilia Kremer: coach. And it's it's really about what is best for the person it's
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): it's actually, I mean. In that moment it was not even about my business at all. No, but that's what I'm saying. In that moment you weren't like. How can I make more money? You know it wasn't about that. It was. You were truly extending an invitation because you saw the value for that individual. Right?
Cecilia Kremer: Thank you, Joanna. Yeah, that's very helpful. Appreciate it. I'm so glad.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Good. Good.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay. So let's keep on going. In a few minutes I'm gonna lay out everything that I like to include in the invitation before we get there a couple of notes on timing and logistics
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for the invitation.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I like to let people know
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): before I'm making the invitation, that I'm going to be making the the invitation to the the next thing, so that it doesn't come out of nowhere, so that it's not like a break in the container like. Oh, my gosh! All of a sudden! Now she's you know she's trying to sell me something. I so I let people know
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): beforehand.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): That I'm going to be making the invitation. I let all of you know already, a couple weeks before I'm going to be sharing with you about advanced
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): at the beginning of the facilitation retreat. I said again, tomorrow I know some of you have been asking. So I'm gonna share about it. Right? So it's not this kind of like weird, dysregulating thing that happens.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I also. And and this is something I used to not do. But I do it now, and I think it's it's a trauma, informed practice.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): If I'm going to be spending more than about 10 min making the invitation.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I give people the option to hop off the call first.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'll say I'm gonna be. And I did this with advanced. If you guys noticed, I said, because II recommend spending more than 10 min. If you know, something is more than a few $100. You really do. Wanna take the time to not skimp on the invitation to really give the invite the time and space that it deserves, so that if it's right
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for some people in the group, they they have time to land with it right?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But so if I am going to take more than 10 min
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I beforehand will say, you know, I'm gonna I do this with advance. I'm gonna be sharing a little bit about advance right now. You know. And then, right after that, we're gonna take our lunch break. I hope that you'll hang on and learn more about it. But if you know that it's not right for you, or if it doesn't feel right to stay in session to listen to it. You are so loved you will not miss anything. If you wanna hop off the call and we're gonna come back together
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): at whatever time. right? So that people have the option they don't feel held
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to. Oh, my, gosh, I have to listen to this invitation.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): okay.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): people need to hear this over and over and over again. So are you gonna say, a solid invitation where people really get the chance
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to take in the information about the next program. And to really consider it
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): needs to be at least 10 to 12 min
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): any time I rush
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): through any kind of invitation.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and usually, if I'm rushing, it's because I've run out of time carried away with all the teaching, but sometimes just being honest.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Every now and again I rush through it because I get shy, and I start to question myself and wonder. Do people really want to hear this from me? And then other things right? But anytime I rush through an invite. It is not as successful.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): It just isn't.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Sometimes in some programs. We didn't do this here in life changing courses. I do this in sacred depth. For example.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I have a separate session
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): dedicated for people that want to hear about, advanced or embody. So it's a separate call that's scheduled. I invite people beforehand. I let them know it's to learn about what's next.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You know. And I send reminder emails about it. I send everybody the recording afterwards, just in case their choice, to listen to it or not. But sometimes
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you might want to do that.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What else can I say about timing? I try not to make the invite on the very last class.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): It's best to do it a few weeks before. You know, timing is always going to be different with any program you do, and your business model, but
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I try to do it at least a few weeks before, so that people are still in the container.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'd like they have time to make a decision while they're still in the container. Once people are out.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): they're out, you know, like the cause. The container is open and they're not
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): held by that anymore. And so, even if they were interested in the program, it's way easier for them to just kind of forget
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): about it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Let me pause on that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): thoughts or questions just around anything I just shared around timing
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): logistics.
Robyn Vogel: Can I ask a quick question? Yeah.
Robyn Vogel: it would. I love the like invite before it's over
Robyn Vogel: too late for me for tomorrow. But it's okay. like. What if it's a really short
Robyn Vogel: event like 2 and a half hour or 3 h class. Then what do you do?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Same principle, just with the timing I used to save my invites to the very, very end. Last thing I always ran out of time for them, and people were hopping off the call, you know, like all the things. So now, if it's 2 and a half hours, the last closing thing that we're gonna do. I'll put it right before I'll put the invitation right before that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Also, as a way for myself to not slip into. I just need to give them more and more and more, and the invitation isn't so important. It's a kind of
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): it helps hold me
Robyn Vogel: in that. I remember that you do that. You say, like, I'm gonna get to the fourth point. But first I'm going to da da, da, and then you finish with the last thing of teaching. So can I ask another little technical question about that cause that I've done that after seeing you do it.
Robyn Vogel: But what about if you're in person and you're in like
Robyn Vogel: the container, you know it's
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): it's great. Such a good question. So also, I just want to say, for a 2 and a half hour thing. We are talking a little bit more, a preview presentation versus that's a program. And so it's a little bit
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): was a little bit different than what we're talking about here. Just
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for everybody's clarity's sake.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But regardless, remember, this is important for all of us.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for our facilitation, for our marketing, for our everything.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Energy follows, energy.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): energy follows energy, energy follows energy. If we are feeling weird, like, Oh, my gosh! It's such a sacred moment, and it's gonna ruin the sacred moment. Because I'm gonna share with people about the possibility of continuing
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): energy follows energy. It's going to be weird.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But if we see
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the sharing as a continuation of the sacred moment
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): where we're not attached, and we continue to be in that energy of service, and we think of invitations as just as meaningful and valuable and sacred as the content.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Energy follows energy.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Right? So think, you know, hopefully, that's
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): helpful to think about
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Kelly.
Kelly Melear-Hough: And this is really helpful. Thank you. Just wondering if I'm are you gonna go through like some like a
Kelly Melear-Hough: yeah, this is all set up. We're getting there. Don't worry.
Kelly Melear-Hough: Kate.
Kate Toye: Yeah, thanks. Just what comes up is
Kate Toye: when you were saying about that little wavering bit before you make your offer, and just and I also like sometimes before I walk into a workshop.
Kate Toye: that little wavering bit, and just and just what came back was when I trust in that people right. The people signed up to be here. If I trust in that, then that allows me to trust in me, and then that allows us to trust in the universe. And I think that just it's sitting in that energy is just such a rooted real place to offer from, or
Kate Toye: start presenting from, or whatever right. And and you know, I'm sure we all get that little bit, and then it goes away as you start to talk, but when I really connect with my God, these people are all know themselves better than anybody, and they chose to be here. I can trust in that. Yes, absolutely. It goes back to one of the pieces we're looking at in the facilitation retreat around power right and sacred power, and an equal playing field, being able to make an invitation from a grounded place, is, I trust me, and I trust you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I trust me not to take power over or be power under. I trust you also that you're not going to hate me, or whatever it is, and that you're taking responsibility for yourself.
Yes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): thank you. So glad you brought that in.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what? I'm not what we're not talking about today.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): but just
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): today.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Just so, you know, is
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in the preparing like letting people know that I am gonna make the invitation.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Part of that is also any. And I model this and life changing courses.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I don't.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I don't wait till the very end that the first time I utter advanced depth is when you hear the invitation. So almost all of you knew that an advanced depth existed from within the first weeks of the program.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): not selling it and pitching it. But wherever it is applicable. I'm referring
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to it again so that it's all. A seed is already planted right? And it's not just coming out of nowhere. When the invitation is
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): finally made.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay. So then, to Kelly's question, then, how do you make this invite what? What is included?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Let's go piece by piece.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And really, when we think about the invite. We want to think back to what we already have learned here about the hero's journey.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay? So everything is always about the journey.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): because we're about to invite people onto a new journey, right?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So where we wanna start
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): is to lay out the journey that they've already been on, IE.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): The program that they've just been through with you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You want to lay out where they started on that journey at the beginning of the current program.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What they've moved through, you know, generally without getting into every crag, what they've moved through over the last weeks or months
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in the program.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and then where they are now
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): at this moment, in time.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): by giving a short. You know this where they started and what they've moved through and where they are now. It does 2 things.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): number one. It really serves as a way of honoring all of the effort and energy and presence that has gone into the journey so far, and all that has been accomplished, and all that has been evolved through, and all that has been changed. So you're it's a way of honoring. It's a way of reminding people how much they've received
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): so far
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): helps right with the next with that invitation. But the other thing that it does, is it? Now? It helps you to establish where your heroes are
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for this next
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): leg of the journey, and it helps them establish
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): where they are.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I skimped on this a little bit, cause you all have the advanced invite, you know. If you want to go back to listen to that and just share, like, I skimped on this a little bit in the advanced
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): invitation. But I did lay out a little bit.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay. So now, by doing that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you've got. You've established where your heroes are now. Of course they're not all gonna be in the exact same place, right? Some of you have completed your curriculum. Some of you haven't completed your curriculum. Some of you have to go back to the facilitation retreat. It's it doesn't right, but you're giving that the general place.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): The next thing you're going to share in your invitation
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): is you're gonna lay out the possibility
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): of where the journey can go next.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you know, lay out the possibility of where the journey can go next, and where they can land at the end of the next leg of the journey.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in order for someone to be interested
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in continuing with you in order for them to be willing to invest their time, their money, their energy, even if they love you. It's like so much. And they've loved the current program so much.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): They need to be invested in their next goal in in, in the next leg of the journey right? They need a deep. Why.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to continue
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): so, as you lay out what the possibility is of the next journey, you want to answer some of the following questions. what's possible for them now that they're in this new place? Right? They've just. You've just laid out the last journey. Now they're in a new place. What's possible for them now.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what are the next possible goal posts?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What would they want? And neat now that they have? XYZ. That they've already received from your program. What would they want and need next?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Alright. So you want to spell all of this out.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): back back to when I shared the invitation for advanced. If we look at that as a model. In short, it took me a lot more words to say this because I'm very wordy. But, in short.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what I said was. now that you've articulated the next iteration of your thought leadership. And now that you've learned how to craft
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): transformational exercises and tight containers and communities. And now that you've gone deep to explore your own power as a facilitator.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): some of you are going to want and be ready for shadow. Work
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for yourself, for your groups, for your private work right now. Of course I said it
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): with a lot more detail
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I laid out why working with Shadow was so is so potent personally, and also as a facilitator.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I took the time to really talk about what happens, and how amazing it is when you bring to the surface and reclaim repressed parts of yourself like anger, power, sexuality, laziness, selfishness, right? I spoke about? What is the possibility for each of you and your lives
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and your ability to reach your goals when you bring your parts out of shadow. I shared about how it's a sacred path to walk that path right? So I laid out all of those things, and if you remember.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I shared
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): also a very personal story about reclaiming one of my own shadows.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): my selfishness, right? And I kind of followed a hero's journey
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): on that. So I also made it very personal.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay? So let's pause here. There's more. But
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I wanna hear thoughts. What's sparking for you so far? What questions? So far on the first 2 steps. The first step is layout where they started on the journey right, and what they've moved through to get to the here and now
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): second staff lay out the possibility of their next journey.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Monica.
Monisha Mittal, Powhatan Empire, Virginia, She/Her: Well, the first thing that Rose and me as you were speaking was just, oh, my gosh! Like
Monisha Mittal, Powhatan Empire, Virginia, She/Her: How much. I would get back as a facilitator. just facilitating that conversation, to hear from everyone, from this place of vestiveness. You know what what they got out and where they might want to go. And
Monisha Mittal, Powhatan Empire, Virginia, She/Her: it's hard to put into words what I'm feeling.
you know, I just feel like, Wow! What a big myth.
Monisha Mittal, Powhatan Empire, Virginia, She/Her: You know what a big miss and but I feel excited that
Monisha Mittal, Powhatan Empire, Virginia, She/Her: that I could receive that. Yes, yeah. And so what you're speaking to. I didn't mention this that you're reading between the lines, and I love that you're seeing this and suggesting this.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You can make it a 2 way. Conversation.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): part of those questions around, what did you receive? We're gonna get to this in the second part of this call, because you always want to end a program with that. But you can actually have. You have people be journaling on that
Monisha Mittal, Powhatan Empire, Virginia, She/Her: in your invitation, like, what? Ha! What have you so far? Where did you start, you know, etc. I'm gonna be modeling some of those questions, and it just lets us own our thought leadership and just such an elegant way, because there was so much intention and what we did. And it's kinda like taking the ball from like second base all the way home, or something, you know, and so just even, I guess it's just the frame of the journey.
Monisha Mittal, Powhatan Empire, Virginia, She/Her: And like I, it was just coming to me while you were talking like. Oh, my thing was about play like they could have just had questions about you know where they've been. And then how will they use this, you know, for what's ended, and maybe attribute a couple of different areas of what? So I did have one little question. So in that in that play group I did. There were. There were several people dealing with with big grief.
Monisha Mittal, Powhatan Empire, Virginia, She/Her: and I am curious.
Monisha Mittal, Powhatan Empire, Virginia, She/Her: you know, with like 2,000 compassion, like outside of kind of one on one like what kind of
Monisha Mittal, Powhatan Empire, Virginia, She/Her: if people are learning to play with grief.
Monisha Mittal, Powhatan Empire, Virginia, She/Her: you know I am just curious. If there's like, I mean, maybe it's not fair to ask you this, but
you know grief is just a process. II don't. I don't know how to think about grief in in this way.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah. So you're saying for another program. I think it's not for this call you want to make sure. And I know you have a lot of the skills already from all of your trainings, like, you know, it's it's not in everybody's scope. I'll I'll put it that way. But we can brainstorm on that.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Tara.
Tara Sage: hey, Joanna? So I had messaged you over the weekend on on the track of
Tara Sage: a feedback loop from my group, right? And I'm just connecting all these dots because my my program is a one year annual renewal program. So
Tara Sage: but that, said, there's the opportunity to step up into a 6 session private coaching to deepen the experience privately and customize it within the group. That's an a standing offer.
Tara Sage: So what I'm seeing is with my rule Breakers branch, which is a quarterly event.
Tara Sage: in this annual event I can do this exercise right like I can have everyone. It's gonna be a breakout sessions, very networky group connection and have them review their goals, their dreams, their habits.
Tara Sage: And how's it going? And get very
Tara Sage: clear on the highlights of their journey. So far, you know what's working what isn't
Tara Sage: And then
Tara Sage: to lay out the possibilities while also receiving feedback on the curriculum that I'll be creating and finalizing for them for the next quarter. Right?
Tara Sage: And what just occurred to me that it hadn't before is, I could pitch right. I can share again the opportunity to step into that private coaching.
Tara Sage: 6 session. Option to upgrade their program every day. Quarter through this feedback loop of the rule breakers, brunch.
Tara Sage: networking session. Yes, I love that idea. I'll say 2 2 things on that. So yes, just work it in to that as part of the format of the Quarterly. Like, you're saying right, it's just clockwork. And if you wanted to take it a step further
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): based on people's shares during that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for the people that you see both
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): this one or this one or this one, I think it really could be useful. I would then reach out to them individually. Yeah.
Tara Sage: excellent.
Tara Sage: excellent. Thank you. I love how the question got answered through and non.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and you know, anyway, thank you very much so all magic and synchronicity.
tina ghahramani-singh: Hi, Joanna! Hi! This is so helpful. I'm I really have struggles with re-signing people. But my biggest question is is I'm feeling a little bit
tina ghahramani-singh: out of place with
tina ghahramani-singh: how to navigate
tina ghahramani-singh: about selling well, not selling, inviting the the course 2 sessions before the last class. I don't know how to do that
tina ghahramani-singh: like, I know you went over it. But, like, how do I? How do I segway into?
tina ghahramani-singh: We're gonna go over like I'm just gonna say, today, we're gonna go over. I don't know herbs for enhancing your libido, because you know what my course is about. It's about pleasure and vitality.
tina ghahramani-singh: But first I want to go over
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the next offering like, I don't know how to do that. That's that exactly right. So you've already let them know, like we said earlier, you may have mentioned in the class before next week. I'm also gonna share about
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): whatever the next offering is right. So it's not coming out of nowhere. And what you just modeled is exactly how I did it, how I did it, how I do it right? I mean, there's really no other way. Today we're going to blah blah blah blah blah blah. But before we do, I want to take a few minutes, because I'm really excited to share about blah. Blah, blah, blah, blah, right?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): That's okay. There's nothing else to be said.
tina ghahramani-singh: Okay? And then you just
tina ghahramani-singh: say it, and then you move forward. You just like you don't wait for comments. You just kinda say, Okay, if you have questions you can like, ask me after the class like, is that how you do it? We're gonna get there. But yeah, I don't do it in. Generally I'm not gonna do it and then jump into the next. Every now and again, because of a setup of a retreat
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I might jump into next thing, but for the most part I'm gonna do it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I mean, there's might be like, Robin was saying before, if it's a short, just one workshop, you know, like
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): something next. But for the initial invite I'm going to. Even if there's just a little thing. Next I'm gonna say to people.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'm gonna open up for QA. Or even. I'll open up for QA. First, and then move to the next thing. If it's part of a multi day thing, or even a day long thing. I'm gonna make the invite before a break, so that people that want to hang on, whether it's a 15 min break or an hour long break if there's questions
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): there's time to ask. But you you don't wanna skimp on having
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): question time.
tina ghahramani-singh: Oh, okay. So you wanna do this off or invitation 2 sessions before the last
tina ghahramani-singh: class, right? And then on the last class, you go over where you were and how far you've come, and then you also plug it again on the last class. This is how you can sign up. Correct. Yeah. And I'll model that for advanced in a few minutes. Okay.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): okay, thank you. I just was like, I don't know how I'm doing this, so I appreciate it. Thank you.
Kellita Maloof: Hi, Joanna, and all.
Kellita Maloof: this is reminding me of the question you had me, save for for this time from the facilitation retreat.
Kellita Maloof: And
Kellita Maloof: and it's also
Kellita Maloof: this, this timing piece. the second.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Oh, you just froze Khalida.
Kellita Maloof: Oh, no. Did did I hear? You are again okay? Ask the question again. Okay. So the second to last time, this is the more specific timing one that really matches what?
Kellita Maloof: What the conversation is here the second last time is the show.
Kellita Maloof: So it really wouldn't fit on that day. The last time we're together
Kellita Maloof: is the closing circle. It would make sense. That is a time we're reflecting on each person's journey, and it's also the last time
Kellita Maloof: that we're together in real time. So I know it's
Kellita Maloof: just
Kellita Maloof: it's tricky, because it's such a. It's so. I mean, you have this beautiful way of being in the depth and saying
Kellita Maloof: a more logistical thing and staying there. But I can't
Kellita Maloof: to just think of how to.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Can I ask a couple of questions? Yeah, how long is the last session?
Kellita Maloof: It's 3 h.
Kellita Maloof: I mean, they're all through. All the sessions are 3 h. Yeah.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): okay? So I have 2 ideas, 2 2 options for you. One is
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You could just do it
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in the one before the show. So long as people aren't too distracted right before the show.
Kellita Maloof: They are okay. It's so on, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Then, I have 2 other 2 other options. Okay, could add a special
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): 45 min call in between the show and the last session. That is what I was describing before. It's specifically a next steps call where they know they're coming to it to learn more about continuing you'd want to mention it in an earlier session that I'm sending this out via email. I really wanna recommend everybody be there, and you'd want to send out some emails about it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So that's one option that will at least give people you back to what I was saying before. So it's not the very the first time they hear about it, right before they're leaving the container. It! It is harder
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): if you feel like it's not possible to add an extra session in.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Then, if you've got a 3 h. I would do it the half hour before the first break
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): or before the break I'm assuming you're yeah. That's that's what I meant. Yeah, maybe make it maybe make the last session longer than you could do that, too, so that it's
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): at least a 1520 min break, so that you can give
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the honor it deserves of sharing with them how to continue, and then go on that 1520 min break.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and then come back and continue, and then again at the end I would open up questions on it, so I'd have questions during the break and questions at the end.
Kellita Maloof: To do it before the break
amendment. Thank you.
Kellita Maloof: I think on that. Is this a good time to ask the like, when does it start? And when does it end? Question? That was the one that I
Kellita Maloof: when does? There's multiple starting points and multiple ending points of
Kellita Maloof: this is the question that was from workshop. Yeah, you have to remind me. I'm so sorry. No problem. So
Kellita Maloof: it's about a.
Kellita Maloof: So there's there's when someone begins the one to one contact
Kellita Maloof: we have. There's one to one asynchronous contact first with me. That's a beginning of a container, but it's not something that can be set communally.
Kellita Maloof: Then the next time the first time we meet live as a group.
Kellita Maloof: there can be other people present who are just there for that one time. So I save the official or
Kellita Maloof: the official, even though we've begun to these different degrees that it's just us. And we're really starting
Kellita Maloof: for the next time.
Kellita Maloof: but they all are levels of beginning and then the same thing at the end, this the closing circle. Wanna mention that?
Kellita Maloof: That's the last time we're in real time only us together.
Kellita Maloof: We are closing up. But there's on purpose 2 more weeks of
Kellita Maloof: integration on a group thread and access one to one to me on a thread. So it's almost is. This is almost a more energetic. It is a more energetic question. But just how to hold this ripple of beginning and ripple of ending.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah, okay, I'm gonna answer it now, since you asked the question. It's not necessarily related to next steps in invitations, but I think it will be helpful for everybody, and then we can come back to invitations.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay. So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in those 2 weeks when, after you're done, are people still actually participating?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Because what I have found and it might be different for for you right like, not truth with a capital T. But what I found is like once the last session is done, unless I have one on ones with people, you know. Well.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): but in terms of the group.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): it's like it's about ending the container right? That there's a there is an end to the container. It peters out
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): otherwise. That's why, earlier I was sharing the Facebook group is only going to be open for a few more days, because people are always like, oh, but I love the group. Can't we just keep the Facebook group open forever and always when I used to do that without fail, it just petered out right, because the container is no longer holding them. So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I think it's one thing to have one on ones after a last session.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But I'm curious if the the group energy is still happening after that last session, or if it's actually petering out as well, so it might. I mean again, you know what's best for you, but it might be like for the group. The end is the end when you're all together, and if you're still wrapping up one on one after that. That's another
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): story.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I don't know. I can't give you any other like thoughts about continue, because again, in my I haven't figured it out, I guess, trying to say in my.
Kellita Maloof: I might even be missing some little piece that I can't remember from
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): saving it. But yeah, but that helpful? Does that make sense? It did make sense to it. Okay? And if another question comes up as we're here on it, let me know. I'll open up for QA. Later.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Also.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): yeah, I'm glad you're bringing it up, because this is important for all of us just thinking about containers again. It's like. Oftentimes when it's done, then it's it's just done. And and I know I, as a facilitator, have felt when I've tried to keep it going
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): online, or whatever it is, I've almost felt like it's made me feel bad like. Oh, II it! It's colored a little bit. My thoughts about the group, and how great the group was. Because also, I'm like, why is it paying attention anymore? They shouldn't be? We close the container. So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): okay, so back to the invitation
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): we looked again, just to review. We looked at first. We're gonna lay out where they started with us in in the current program to where they are now, so that they we honor, and they have a good locating of where they are. Now, then, we're gonna lay out the possibility of the next journey.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): which.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): of course, our program is going to help them get to the the end of the next leg of the journey right? So after we lay out
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what the possibilities are of the next leg. Then we have
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): where they're starting from right now, and where they might want to end up in the future, 3 months in the future, 6 months in the future, 12 months in the future.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So then, our next step in the invite is to share about the program and bridge, how the next program is going to help them, step
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): by staff, by staff.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to accomplish their this next leg of the journey
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): right. So just like curriculum right when we lay out, step by step by step, just like a sales page when we lay out the steps of the journey. That's what we're going to do in the invite.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Give me? Sorry. I just need one moment.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I had a teenager that.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): anyway. So okay.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you don't. And here's what's important. You don't need to lay out in the the speaking in the invitation every single last step.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Right? So if you have a longer program. If there's a lot of topics. If there's a lot of modules.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you are going to overwhelm people by telling them the the 15 modules in your program there. Could
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I used to do this, by the way, so like I can tell you from my own mistakes. Don't do that.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): If you have 15 modules.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): divide them into 3 overarching pillars.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and speak about the 3 pillars or the 4 pillars, with a couple details right
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): back to the invitation that I gave to all of you for advanced steps. the staffs to get to the being able to go deeper with sematics, being able to go deeper with shadow being able to go deeper to support people in their obstacles, and the places they get stuck, and your own places
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for me, the the bridge that I shared with you was each of the 6
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): advanced retreats. Even 6 is a little bit much, and be honest right. I did it briefly, so I spoke about each of those retreats. Very briefly I spoke about
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the befriend, your fear technique.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and why that's helpful. That was retreat one right. I spoke about the choose your own shadow journey, technique
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and memory reconsolidation.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I spoke about dream and archetype work. I spoke about the devil archetype and working with compulsion. I spoke about the shadow retreat
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and different techniques that you learn there and then I spoke about the warrior technique and boundary. You know, learning techniques for boundary setting
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and as I shared about each of them I spoke to how each can help get you the results the end goal of the next leg of the journey be a better practitioner, better group leader, to lead more empowering groups, to help people with their obstacles, and to have more of your own inner work.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I painted a picture of how together
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): we would get to the end of the next leg of the journey
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): by sharing those stats.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Does that make sense?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So you already know, if you've done curriculum the way we've learned to do it, you already have your step, you know your steps, and again, you might not pick all of them. Pick some of them, put them into pillar, you know, bigger overarching groups, whatever it is
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that being said. that's not the only part of the bridge. We learned this in our our marketing retreat as well.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): After I laid out the retreats.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and I painted that picture of how together in advance. we would get you to being an even better practitioner, and having more of yourself, etc.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Then I further painted the picture.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): if you all remember.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): by sharing the components or the design
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): of the program.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So speaking about the the retreat topics, that's the Content Bridge.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Then I spoke to the component
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): bridge
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): as an example.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Because this is another way of you getting a full picture and understanding how the program is going to help get you to reach your goals.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I shared about how there's lots of spaciousness in between sessions. And so there's a lot of time to integrate right? We only meet every 10 weeks
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for you know, for these intensive retreats where we learn these deep shadow techniques.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I spoke about
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): how the retreats are very tight containers for those those 2 days. But then the rest of the program is a loose container, right? So for those of you that don't have a lot of time and energy to continually, you know, show up every week, so that you know
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I spoke to how intimate the retreats are, and how everybody shares and everybody gets coach.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): There's not place to hide.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I shared about how within the training sessions there's time baked in for partner practice so that you can practice the new shadow techniques and integrate.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I shared about for those people that do want to show up more how there are integration sessions after retreats
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I shared about how, if you also want business ongoing business and curriculum support, you have access to 2 Q. And a calls with me
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): a month. Right. So there's the Content Bridge.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And then there's the component bridge
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): along the way.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I did speak a little bit to resistance when I was talking about the components. Right? I said, Okay, the big Shadow retreat is in person. It's hard to get out of your house and travel. And right? So I was also speaking to some resistance pieces in there.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And let me pause here. What's sparking? What's feeling important about Bridge and the 2
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the 2 types of bridge that you're gonna be sharing in in the invitation.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Not this is the shortest part of the invitation. You want to be spending most of your time on laying out what's possible in the next part of the journey.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Thoughts or questions.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): No, okay.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I said, we were, gonna take a break 90 min in. But
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I think we're we're gonna go until 4 40. So I can
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): finish this out for you. I've got just a little bit more.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): If you have bonuses. That's when you can also briefly mention bonuses. Sometimes I skimp on sharing the bonuses because I've I've
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): just about run out of time just
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): saying I definitely didn't share too much when I made the invitation to all of you about the bonuses, because they're so rich I just didn't have enough time to lay them out in detail. I didn't speak about navigating client resistance, etc., but if you have some time you can name one or 2 bonuses. You have to name everything that people get. They'll see it in the sales page or the sales letter. It's not as important.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But where you do want to go next
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): is to share.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and what the next step is right. So now that you've laid out this whole journey. what are they? What do they do?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So I almost always not always. If it's
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): private work that I'm inviting people into, I might not mention pricing some other situations, but almost always I'm going to share with the prices
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and then going to share with people how they can step in if they want to. This seems so obvious to share with people how they can step in if they want to, but a lot of people forget to do that.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So let me break this part down a little bit.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I it fills my heart like it. It's a delight for me to be able to give special pricing for people who are continuing. If they've already invested time and money and energy into working with me like a big thank you. And just heart from my heart is to give a special rate, that's why I gave $1,600 off of advanced for this group. I'm not saying you have to right.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Not may not be your truth.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): but I can't ever think of a time that I didn't give a special rate
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to a continuing group.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Only do it, if, like me, it it gives you pure joy to be able to offer that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So I let people know if they're getting a special rate.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And then here's this is very important, so obvious, but it's very important.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Share both the paid in full amount.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And if there is a payment plan.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): share the payment plan, numbers don't just say, and there's a payment plan.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): reason being for some people, it is really going to help when they hear that lower, more doable monthly number.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay. so shareable.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And then, if there's any special thing around the payment plan, share that as well. So, for example, with advanced cause, I know some of you are still
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): paying out your payment plan for life. Changing courses, you know, specifically shared
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): deposit. Now you can split your deposit into 2. But then the rest of the payment plan for advanced won't go into effect
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): until April, right? So that you can finish out
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): payments. So any logist, that logistical financial information
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that's important for people to hear. You want to make sure you're clear and explicit with it
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): every now and again. I won't share pricing. Usually, if I'm inviting people into private work, because there's different
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): depending on what they choose, you know. But I always learn in the beginning of my career from my first business coach. Never share prices. Just get on the phone, get people on the phone.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): idol. I don't really subscribe to that. A lot of people want to know what the price is on up front, and it's important for them to know the price. And so I share it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): If it's privates, and it could be a bunch of different prices. Sometimes I'll give a range. Just so people know what they're getting into
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): deadlines. so
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I always give
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): not always. I shouldn't say always most of the time. If I'm giving a special rate.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): there's a time limit to it
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and want to be really clear about this.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): There is a difference between false
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): urgency that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): puts people in fear and dysregulates them because they have to decide right away in order to get the big bonus. You know the big special savings
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): versus giving people a deadline with some space
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): so that they don't drag their feet
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): about a decision.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): The only time that I have special pricing until tonight only is if it's a low cost program and it's it's not a big decision
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to make.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): If I'm giving special pricing, I will at least give a few days. so that people can get regulated, seated in their power and in their best decision, making place
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to make the best decision for them like to me. It's it's it's an integrity, ethics, trauma informed practice that being said. I will sometimes give an extra incentive
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to decide within a day or 2
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): like a special gift. If you sign up today. When I do that, I am very explicit
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that the special gift like don't have, Fomo. If you're not ready to decide today, it is just for the people that they, you know you're in, and you're ready to step in, and it gives me an opportunity to ex hit, not hold my breath for the first people to step in, and I am explicit, if you don't yet know.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): set up a call, take, you know, with Caitlin or Inball, or me. Take your time. You have X number of days for this special rate.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Right? So so
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): it's all done with integrity.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'm not saying this is. And, by the way, I'm not saying this is the only way to to do this with integrity. I'm just sharing how I do it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I almost always encourage a conversation unless it's a couple $100. But anything more than that. both because it's helpful
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for the sale
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): a lot of times to have a not always. Some people are just ready without a conversation. And also again for people to have that time and space to make a decision. That's right for them.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And then I give clear instructions either on how to sign up or how to schedule a call.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): thoughts or questions
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): on pricing. sharing the price, sharing next steps.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Safer.
Deva Munay: Hi, I'm just thinking about like when I teach the 5 day courses at Sln.
Deva Munay: I think I can share a little bit, but we're not supposed to be like selling things.
Deva Munay: so how would you do that like at the end of a 5 day course like this one in February. And then I have my online immersion that starts in March without.
Deva Munay: you know, taking up too much time, but not trying to rush it at the same time. Like, if you wanted to continue, we're, you know, we've been talking about the heart, Chakra. But if you wanna go deeper into all of the Chakras, right? So first I find out from Sln what you're allowed and not allowed to do, and if there are, you know just what the rules are
Deva Munay: assuming you're allowed to do this.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I would. On the fourth day.
Deva Munay: Umhm.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I would take a full half hour.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay, I would. And I would do the half hour, either before the lunch break or the end of the day, so people can hang out
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): afterwards, and asked.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and I would really honor the the full Chakra program by giving it the 20 to 30 min to to lay out all the pieces I just shared?
Deva Munay: Or would you do that to the whole group, or, like you said, would you do an option like if people are interested in continuing to study.
Deva Munay: Have an optional at. you know, after lunch that feels better for you to have a invite people you. So people opt in to us a special session on it. You could do that as well.
Deva Munay: Okay, don't do it on the fifth day, though. Do it on the fourth day. Right? Yeah, that makes sense.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah. And Robin, a couple of $100. So usually anything.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I mean, you people can schedule calls for anything really, with my team, even under $100. But I encourage it. Usually like 800 and over 1,200, you know, somewhere in that range and over
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): okay, a couple little other odds and ends on this
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): at the end of the invite. I always thank people, thank them for their, you know, for listening. I let them know that I love them, no matter what whether they step in or not.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I let people know that I'm around after the call or during the break to discuss.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Oh, I forgot to mention. I always open up for QA. To. If if I can have QA. During the time I'll open up for QA. Or else I'll say I'm around during the break, or even if we've had QA. I'll let people know if if they want to talk.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I like to be clear. This might not be appropriate for all of you, but in case it's helpful, this is another is something I feel really strongly about.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'd like to be clear.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And this is especially true because I do trainings
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that I don't want anyone to step in to the the training from a not good enough place.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'm clear that everybody is already good enough. Everybody is already whole and complete. and I'm clear that instead, it's about stepping in from an I want more. I desire more
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): place.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): There's so many fear tactics out there that it's just it's I don't know. It feels important to me for people to not.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you know, step in from that place
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'll share the Pdf. For the sales page in the chat. If it's online, if it's in person, I'll hand out a one pager with information and how they can sign up.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And you know we could talk for hours on this this next one, and just mention it in a sentence, even though we've already a little bit spoken about it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Energetics, right energy follows energy.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Speak from your heart with an equal playing field with so much love.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): how you deliver everything! I just suggested to deliver matters
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): so with love with authenticity, with care, with
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): kindness and compassion for everybody in the room and for yourself.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay, so we'll take a break
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in a few minutes. But just to kind of model what I said before, and also cause I wanna remind you, just a reminder that you have a very special
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): just for life, changing courses, rate on advanced staff. It's good until January 20 fifth, which is this, Friday. A couple of you have already stepped in Yay, and I know that you've been talking to Caitlin, and in ball, or you can talk to me. Some of you have spoken to me. I know that more of you are thinking about it. There are a couple of spots left.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): If you think that one of them is for you, I encourage you to set up a call.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So with that.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): let's take a break
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and let's come back at
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): sorry I'm doing math for a second. We have until 5 30. Let's take a quick break. Let's come back at 4 50. Yeah, 4 50 Eastern, and I'll hang on if anybody has any questions.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Hey?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Let's come back together. If it's possible for you to put your camera on, please put it on. So I know that you're here.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): okay, no, that was a lot the first half, and there's a lot to digest there, and hopefully some really good learning. And I'd love to hear
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in the chat
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and or voice-to-voice voice to voice one or 2 shares, and please in the chat. What what are you taking away from?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): The exploration of next step invites
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what is feeling important to you. Maybe you're feeling hopefully. Maybe you're feeling more inspired to make next step invites
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'd love to hear a couple shares on that before we keep on going.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What's sticking out to you? And what's feeling important?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Dr. Josie?
Dr. Josie: Hi, there! I just. I love the idea of being able to be just, transparent and authentic and open with the members, and just and kind of using it as a way to review what we've gone over, and what we've covered, and to really ask them cause it was something that inspired me was almost
Dr. Josie: almost kind of like an exit interview. But where you can ask them what they got out of it, and also get testimonials, things from it, and then ask them what they'd like to see more of, or missing holes and things we didn't cover
Dr. Josie: and it's nice to hear. Instead of using that whole pain Point marketing thing which I just
Dr. Josie: I have cringed and tied myself up into knots inside. Sorry it's like, I can't do it. I just can't do it. So it's so refreshing. And it's actually, I feel really, really relaxed about, because I'm about ready to transition like into a new program myself. And so
Dr. Josie: it just makes me feel relaxed and happy about doing it. Yeah, that is, that is my intention to. I love it, to feel more relaxed and happy, and hopefully than more willing to make
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): invitations with your whole heart, you know.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Good Caroline.
Caroline’s iPhone: I just want to piggyback on that comment I
Caroline’s iPhone: based upon your modeling and your input and stuff. The last time I did a preview call, I did say, now, I'm gonna kind of transition into this, and, you know, feel free to hang up, or whatever, and it felt so great because everybody that was still there.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and you wanted to hear it. And it just anyway. Thank you. It worked beautifully. I'm so so glad. And yes, you're making another good point, that inviting people to leave. If they don't want to be there for it. It's not just for them. I mean it. It's for us to, or at least me, it's like, Okay, I don't have to hold back, because I know everybody that is here wants to hear this. So I'm gonna really show up fully.
Caroline’s iPhone: It was great. Thank you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Kelly.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): Yeah. I love the sequencing of it. And just the structure that you've offered, and I'm aware
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): that in the same way on the sales page, like, we're not leading with the features.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): It's like it's kind of similar right that you really wanna look at the journey and emphasize the journey cause that's what the hero needs to know is what's possible there and
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): and and
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): wait. Who just said the piece about? Was it, Caroline.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): about giving them space to leave the room like that also is really freeing? II definitely have
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): like chatter around it and sort of curiosity as well. I'm I'm very. And I'm assuming so much of this is similar to the preview training in many ways. At least the latter part of it. But I'm just aware, having been very light touch before in both those offerings, and in this like how important the energy is, and I'm
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): how much, how important the energetic is. But I'm also knowing that there's a little part of me that's like, is this really gonna work? You never know? Right? You don't know until you do it. And what is is this gonna work mean? Is there myth of perfection being applied to that. Yeah. And one thing I'll just add about the inviting people not to stay. I wanna remind everybody. What I said is, I do it. If it's over 10 or 12 min.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): if it's a shorter invite.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I generally don't do it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and I just have to trust that I've given so much value, and there is value in hanging out for a few minutes. To listen
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to this invitation as well. 10 to 12 min invite is almost always just gonna be in a preview tele class.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): We'll talk about that in a few weeks. But just so, everybody knows.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): In almost all of my preview tele classes somewhere in the marketing or the opt-in page. I say, I'm gonna speak. I will also introduce you to XYZ. Program. Lay it out, and I love that trauma informed approach. It means like the world. And again I said, this in the chat is one of the reasons where.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): when I saw your sacred depths
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): intro, or the whatever whatever the 3 day thing is, and then you're offering. I was like, I have no stress about this at all. It was so nice and so refreshing
you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay, so we're gonna spend the next half hour
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in a Meta way and a real life way.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): putting together some of the pieces that I just shared about, but more really looking at how to close a program which can be related to the to the invitation or not.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Before we look at that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I wanna make sure that I mention
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): there's like other couple things about closing programs that don't necessarily happen in the session number one. close out email. So all of you will get a a model close out email
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for this program.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Remember, endings are just as important as beginnings. Closing containers are just as important as setting containers.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): It feels like a weird, energetic peter out to not have a closing email.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Unless you're in person. If the program is in person, you can get away with just the end is the end. Is that the end? But if it's online because so much has been done over email.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'd like to have it. I also will include in the closeout email any review of logistics.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Facebook group open this long and sacred depths. You talk about certification, etc., etc.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): The other thing right? And and Robin is saying, I'll still do a closing email even after in person. I miss them. And that is part. You'll see when you receive my closing email. It's like.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): yeah, it's also because it's like so much love, right? If we've done everything that we've learned over the last 3 months in our groups. And and we've created, it's like there is so much love, and there's joy in ending, and there's also sadness and ending. And II just I want one more like I was.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you know.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): The other thing. Josie reminded me of this, and I can't
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): believe I forgot. But thank you, Josie, because I meant it to also ask all of you at the end of your program, ask for testimonials.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): testimonials are the best thing that you can have for marketing social proof from your participants.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): mouths and words and hearts on. Why, they've loved the experience with you, and what they've
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): received.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the way that I like to do it, and I'll also just do it right now, for all of you is, I'd like to mention it in class and then follow up
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): with an email.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And the way that I like to mention it in classes, but I'll just model right now, which is to say, for people that are considering
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the next round of life changing courses when I offer it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): it really will make such a difference for them to hear your words. and what you received from this experience, and what your wins are. It would also just on a personal level. II take in every testimonial that is written.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I used to not be able to. By the way, I used to not be able to even look at testimonials because of all of the ways that made me feel uncomfortable and like a fraud, and not really meant it. But these days.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): from a very grounded place, I take it in, and I breathe it in, and it feels it fills my heart.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and I come back to them. So if you're willing I'll send an email out about it. II would really, just. And of course, if it's not right to write a testimonial, you know what's best for you, but I would appreciate it deeply if you would, and so will potential people who this would be the right choice for them in the future.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): so
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I want to remind you, we looked at this in our I don't know the third week of life changing courses. And actually, I just said it a few minutes ago.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Endings are just as important as beginnings.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And when we looked at this
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): back towards the beginning of the program. You know, we looked at kind of the full journey. Aside from our thought leadership, there are ways that we set up the container, and then we go through all of our steps.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But then we also want to have
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): at the end of a program, opportunity for integration.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): an opportunity to seal in all the learning.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And if you remember, I likened that to final exams as the integration
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and then graduation as the ceiling. Right? This, like, okay. And this is what I'm taking with me
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): into the next.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): whether people are continuing in a program with you or not. Regardless of that, it is hard
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to fully step into the next leg of whatever the journey. And we're all stepping in right, whether you're continuing or not to a next level it is. It is harder to step into the next leg. If there hasn't been a closing, if there hasn't been an integration and a ceiling. And I think I mentioned this
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): when we looked at it last time. This is why, at funerals, most funerals. There are eulogies. Right? We need to honor and celebrate
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): foreclosure on some things.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So we want to be really intentional about how we end our programs just as intentional about how we begin
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and then ending to a program is gonna vary in length. based on how long the program is.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You know. And that's kind of program that it is, and how many people are in the program. It can be short
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): couple of minutes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): It can be a full session devoted, or a full day. It really just depends.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You get to be as creative as you want to be.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Bring in ritual. If you want, you know whatever feels right for you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'll just share a couple of
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): things that I think will spark ideas for you. So in one of my pro programs, it's called into the depths.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): it's a year-long facilitation training.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the last retreat. They're all in-person retreats, or almost all in-person retreats, and the last retreat
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): of the training.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Everybody in the program brings a curriculum that they've created a 45 min and facilitates
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for 45 min.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): This is part of our final integration.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): because they've been learning and growing and working on themselves, and like with their work all year long, right in their facilitation. And now they have opportunity in front of the whole group
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to bring it forward, to, to practice the facilitation, to show the skills they get
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): incredible feedback.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): It's a real opportunity for integration and celebration we still have at the end of that retreat, you know, end of program things that we do. But that's like an extended
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): integration example of an integration.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): another, you know thing I'll share and I'm not the only one that has done this.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I used to lead a mastermind. It was a very intimate group of people, just like 12 people, and these people continued in the mastermind for a number of years. The last year that I did it. It was time finally for all of us to to end it. It was so hard because they didn't want to, but really I knew I it was gonna be best but in our very last retreat
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I had bought everybody
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in the circle these beautiful bronze necklaces made out of leaves. It was like leaves encased in bronze.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and as part of our cloak, you know, in our we did a lot of different closing things. It was such a big journey, but everybody got
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): one of these necklaces. We did some ritual with it, and everybody had that right to move forward to remember the circle. They each set intentions
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): on the necklaces for moving forward. etc.,
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): right? So you can get super ceremony on it, or you can just not. You know it can be longer.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): it can be shorter.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Let me pause on that.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Any ideas that that sparks for you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for anything that wants to be said.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): so let's move into some integration of our time together and be totally transparent. I thought we would be at about 4 45. It's not 507. So we're gonna do it a little bit more quickly than I would have liked. But I think it will still be very valuable.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So I want to invite everybody to think back to when you stepped in to life changing courses
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and to where you were at.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You think about what you knew or didn't know about curriculum development.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): around crafting journeys.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Think about when you stepped in what you knew or didn't know, about 4 levels of learning and processing
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and pasting what you did or didn't know about your thought, leadership.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): exercise development and take a few minutes right now, you're not going to be able to hit everything.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But I want to invite you to take a few minutes to write down all of your learnings, your learnings about containers, also about facilitation, even about marketing. We've looked at so much in this course.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So what's you know the things that are feeling important to you?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And I'll put some. I'll put some of these ideas in the chat as well.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Right? So what are some of the really, and get as detailed as want?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what are some of
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the learnings
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): since we began that you really want to honor, that you've taken in that have been important for you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): maybe for you. You've really taken to heart, slowing it down. And if you've been facilitating, you've noticed that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): maybe for you, you really have such a better handle on how to set containers
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): keep on going. See? There's more, I promise.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And also I want to invite you to add to this list that you're making things that you want to celebrate. Maybe you got the first draft of your curriculum done, and you want to celebrate that.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Maybe you never thought you'd be able to lay out
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): steps for your method. And you've done that.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Maybe you've gotten incredible feedback from people in your group
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): because of some things that you've applied. Celebrate that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): right? So take a few more minutes learning celebrations.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What do you want to honor about this journey? You've showed up here so beautifully, even if you haven't made it every week, even if you didn't do all the homework.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What do you want to honor for you?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Some of you are already sharing in the chat?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Read some of these. So for Courtney, one of the biggest things
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): has been the framing of the journeys, especially in the sense of specific whole arc journeys to be completed within the longer arc of each session there's the Mini journeys. And then the bigger journey. Yeah.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for Cecilia, the energetics. Yeah, we did so much around energetics, the power alignment, you know, that was so big for you. And then really being aware of the time and making that time for sharing and processing as a group. Yes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for Kalida. It's my stance.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah. Yeah. And you were very, very strong in it, and are very strong in it. And so, of course, that's the most important part for you. I love it. There's always deeper to go.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Tina, celebrating your curriculum and editing it with the new suggestions. Yes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for Courtney also. You've always worked intuitively, but you also crave structure. Yeah, hopefully, you have
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): both of that. Now you get to have all of your intuition and flow. Yeah, within that system. And the structure
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Khalida's honoring yourself for showing up for the in-class learning and communion. Yes, you have really shown up
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Nina's feeling supported and inspired to be able to do this. You can, Nina. There's every part of me knows that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for Annelise. Thank you. The beautiful structure.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and how you can apply it in so many different ways. Yes, the modeling
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): beautiful.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay, I'm going a little bit quickly
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): through all of this. I'm going to keep on reading everything you share in the chat.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But just to be able to to ask you a few more questions and model some closing questions for you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So in a way, we kind of just did that first part that I mentioned in the invitation. Right? Where did you start? And where are you now? So then, my next question for you is
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): from where you are now, from all that you've received, understood, evolved, learned and created
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): wherever that is for you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What do you want to work on next? What's your next goal?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Maybe for you. It's to continue to work on your curriculum and really get that more complete.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): maybe for you. The next goal is putting it out there into the world.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): maybe for you. The next goal is deepening your exercises.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Maybe it's something else.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What is it that you wanna work on next, when it comes to your groups and facilitating?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): If you were to name a next end goal for yourself, based on all that you've learned
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): here. What's the next
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): of all the shares of the learnings and the celebrations in the chat, meaning through all of them big. Yes, to all of them. and some next steps now, and give you all another minute. With that.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Courtney. I'm excited. A big Aha came through this weekend. Yeah.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Khalida's ready to sell spots in the new facilitation training.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Annelise is ready to launch.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Tara is going to continue working on curriculum and complete through April. You're so ahead of the game. It's Great
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Robin's gonna define and develop
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): lead in classes. Yeah, that is such a great next step for you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Here's another question to consider. Okay, so now, hopefully, you see where you are now.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): can you see where you want to be next.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So I've got kind of 2 questions in one on this.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And again I'm moving through this a little quickly. You can also go back later and go even deeper.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): First question. what do you already have
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): or no, or have created? That's gonna help you with this next goal. So that might be things that you've learned here that you have, you know, or that you've created, or things from that, you know, from other places or experiences in your life. Right. Let's let's be clear that you have so many resources already
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to accomplish your next goal. And then the second question I'll put both of these in the chat
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in order to accomplish that goal. What are the places that you're gonna need support on? Right? So where are the places you don't need support. You've got it, you know it, you have it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And then what are the places where you might need support on?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Take another minute with that.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah, Darlene, absolutely. You can ask in the private sessions.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Right? So do you all see how these are? Integration questions? I'm moving through it very quickly. But it's a way of integrating and honoring.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I've got a couple of ceiling pieces for us to end on. but before we do, I'd love to hear one or 2 voice to voice shares on what you're seeing
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): from this these questions and this opportunity to take a look back and see
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): kind of from this point of view all that's happened over these months.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Who wants to share? What are you seeing? What's feeling important.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): or what do you want to celebrate out loud.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Don't be shy. I really want to hear one or 2 voices, David.
Deva Munay: II just feel like I learned so much from everyone in how you were able to model
Deva Munay: coaching in the group, and then people bringing things forward. And I'd like, Oh, I could do that, or you know the the group field, and everyone being such amazing leaders in facilitation in the field already. Just
Deva Munay: really help to see through various different lenses. So yeah, thank you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yes, we've been so lucky. It's been such an incredible group. I always say I attract the most incredible people in the world, and I stand by that with so much wisdom and expertise and heart and and all the things.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And then also a piece of facilitation is the coaching skills right? How, as the facilitator. Are you responding? And I hope all of you have learned a lot. Like David saying, from observing.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): we have time for one more. Does anyone else want to share. What are you seeing, Kelly?
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): I feel a little bit without appropriate words today. But I just this morning I was walking and feeling into how much I've taken from this course, I mean from all of your work to, I know. But
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): really, in this course, and the shadow work within the facilitation retreat and
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): the you know, the concrete. It's just. It's like the full range of all the things from like the most concrete important deliverables that we need to this like soul level work around who we are embodying and being as facilitators and thought leaders and
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): guides. And I just feel like there's so many layers on like I. I was trying to write, and the words aren't coming, but I just feel there's so much that's integrating still. And
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): and completely
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): second, what David said about this container in the group, I mean, your space holding is extraordinary, and it's just so
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): elevated by the
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): quality of humanity in this space. And it's really, it's really beautiful. I'm so so so grateful.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): Thank you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You're so welcome, taking all of it in.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): There really has been so much that we've all been through right, I mean, and even just writing it down on paper doesn't even do it full justice. So much has come through on the concrete and the energetic, and in the connection
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): ask you one more question.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and this question will serve 2 purposes. Hopefully, we'll see if magic happens, it will, it will serve 2 purposes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So the question is.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): if there was one new belief
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that you are taking from this experience that you want to make sure that you remember. That's so important. What is it? And my, the what I hope that like the magic is is that that's gonna be the exact piece of advice that you need
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): when you think you can't accomplish that next goal that you just laid out for you to come back to and remember
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): right. So if there was what there's hopefully so so much. But if there was one
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): belief that you, as you leave this container
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you want to remember, you want to come back to. It could be a belief about you and your abilities about the world, about programs, about how to lead programs about your thought leadership, whatever it is.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what is it that you want to remember? If there's nothing else that you remember here except for that one thing. What is that?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah, please share it in the chat.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Because the one thing that no matter what you don't want to forget.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Nina saying it's okay to take up space. Yes, it's more than okay, and slow down as needed. Yes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for Deva, it's more about the energy of the facilitation than the content. Yes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for Robin Power isn't power over. Yes, chills with all of these for Caroline, and big caps. Slow down.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Kelly, MH. To remember to allow myself to embody the healing goddess Archetype and call on her help when I feel resistance. Yes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for Amy, slow it down. The transformation is in the details. Yes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for Darlene that every small piece is a kind of container that needs to be opened and closed. Yes, isn't this like a great review of so many things, such wisdom in each piece
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): energy follows energy. Dr. Jersey says that the skills I've developed in one on one sessions can all be used in my group. Yes, yes, yes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Khalida says I can trust myself. Yes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): okay, please keep on sharing. I am going to read every one of these.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): After we close. I do. I want to honor our time, so I won't read all of these out loud, but I will read them.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Take a moment and really seal in
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): this new belief this piece that you want to come back to, that you want to know and remember, no matter what
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): feel it in your body and the truth of it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): it's yours.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Let me just wanna thank
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): every one of you. whether I've heard your voice.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): every session, or whether I haven't heard your voice as much. Your presence has been such a joy for me. I
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'm honored that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you have allowed me to share this experience and all of this work with you. I know that it's gonna continue to work on you and through you, and I can't wait to see how it evolves.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And I also want to remind you that my door is open. I'm here. I know I'm going to be continuing with some of you. I'm so excited about that. and if not, my door is open. I always want to hear from you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): In so saying. the work
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): of the circle
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): is done.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): but really only just begun.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): May you return to your ordinary lives, extraordinary humans! May you walk with the knowing in your heart that your work
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): is important. and that the world needs it. May you use your groups
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to create loving, kind community.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): because this is how we change the world
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): so much, love all around, and gratitude and honor to all of you and hugs.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): so I'll hang out. I'll turn off the recording. We're done. If anybody needs anything. I can hang out for a few minutes, and if not hopefully, I will hear from you. I will see your curriculum. You know. Let me know. You need
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): so much.