Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Welcome, welcome everyone so excited, and give us a few minutes or not a few minutes, a few moments, I should say. for everyone to arrive.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Let us all pile in so we can start with as many of us
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): present as possible.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay. get started
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): first of all. Welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome. I am
so so glad
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to be here, and that all of you are here. I've been counting down the days
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): so for us to get here. And I'm just so so glad we're here. So wait. I'm seeing in the chat. So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): am I. Not on camera. What is happening? Okay, tech issue. Sorry I meant to be on camera that whole time. Oh, my! Gosh.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): The link I'm just seeing in the chat the link
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): didn't work involved, can you
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): text, Lara, and
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): let her know that and ask her to send out another email
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): right away?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): okay, great. Thank you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Since we're all here as group facilitators and leaders of programs. I guess it's great to start with. Sometimes stuff happens right? And so it's you know, you wanna try to avoid it
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): as much as possible, and keep your energetics in check and move forward.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So if you're just joining, we're just getting started. We haven't. We haven't gotten anywhere yet. So you haven't missed anything. But we're gonna get started now.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And I am really just thrilled that you're here. We are going to have a powerful 13 weeks together.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): It's going to be intensive. But we'll also have a lot of fun. And over these 13 weeks I'm gonna be sharing with you tools that I've developed over the last 20 years to be able to create deep
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and transformational and effective programming. By the end of our time together. My hope is that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you'll walk away with a curriculum, that number one. You'll walk away with an incredible curriculum
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and program that you'll be working on over these 13 weeks. But in addition to that, my hope and my intention is that you're also gonna walk away with a roadmap that you can repeat whenever you wanna create a new program, a new curriculum, new ideas.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): update your current program, etc., so that you're gonna walk away with that repeatable process as well as world class facilitation skills that you can use for any group that you lead.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): If you're here.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I know that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you already value going deep. You know how important a masterful curriculum and program is.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and you know how vital it is to creating, to create a transformative experience and results with your clients
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): if you're here. I'm also going to guess that you're also a little bit snobby, like I am in all good ways. When it comes to your standards for your work.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You already know that when you put together and facilitate a program that's truly and deeply transformational, that not only do your clients, your participants love and appreciate the work that you do together, but you also know that then they're much more likely to re-sign with you, if that's appropriate. And to tell their friends.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And not only that.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): but maybe the greatest gift of all is the satisfaction that you feel when you know that you're at the top of your game teaching exactly what you're meant
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to teach
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and making a real impact with those that you serve.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): we're gonna be covering all of this.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And also. as we move through these 13 weeks. the top priority is about putting together curriculum and programming that helps co-create incredible results for your clients.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But there's kind of a bonus to everything that we're going to be learning. The way that we're gonna learn curriculum and program development.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): It's going to help. You have more confidence in what you teach. and it's gonna give you a foundation
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for leveraging your thought leadership in many ways. because from your curriculum. That's where you can create your best marketing content.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): That's where you can hold space for the best sales, calls, program guides, sales, pages, blog articles, social media content, even book outlines and beyond.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Your curriculum is kind of the source of all of that, and we'll see that as we move through.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So, Robin, I see that you missed the beginning. I hope you're able to hear me now. I was just giving some inspiration, but you didn't miss any content.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay, so all that being said, we have some big work to do.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): even though there are people out there that say that you can create an incredible curriculum overnight, or even in a week.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): In all of my experience
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I haven't seen that to be the case.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I don't know, unless maybe you're so practiced and so masterful, but I will share with you that even for me, at my quickest.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): it takes
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): at least 3 to 4 solid hour, long or more sittings, and lots of thinking in between, even just to put together a 2 or 3 day retreat or curriculum.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And much more than that, if I'm looking at a longer program.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And that's because we're not talking about putting together a surface curriculum here.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And we're not just presenting material. We're also learning how to facilitate and lead. We're talking about putting together something with depth, something transformational, engaging, something that really changes our participants.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And I wish I could say that we could do it like that. But it really does take some time, and that's why we have many weeks together.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I want you to be marinating on things. I want you to leave space and have the space for inspired ideas to come through on your walks around the neighborhood. Or maybe you're like me. It comes through in the shower. I want you to find all of the layers that make all the difference.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So this is and some of. You have heard me say this before. This is more of a cyclical process than a linear one. Within the first few weeks, even when you think you have. If you think you have things figured out, you're gonna see that there is even more. That's that's really why we're here.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): We're gonna be looking at over our time together what I like to call the 3 Pillars of life changing courses.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And I like to think of it as a music metaphor, as some of you know. So one of the pillars is curriculum development.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and that includes developing also your thought leadership, your exercises getting clear on what the program looks like overall.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): If we compare this to, I like to think of programs. You know, we can compare it to beautiful music that really moves people. This first pillar of curriculum development is like the score. It's like the notes. It's like the piece of music, right? So that's one thing we're gonna do together. We're gonna write out the score of your program.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): The second pillar that we're going to look at are your facilitation skills?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): How W. How do you set up your program so that people really learn so that people are engaged so that you create community
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): so that you know what to do if someone is having resistance or a problem, so that you know how to respond to questions.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): etc. All the different facilitation techniques in our music metaphor with an incredible music that moves people. Our facilitation skills are just like the skills that a musician uses when they go to play the piece of music, right? They've learned all the skills to play.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And then the third pillar that we're also going to be looking at throughout. And actually, we're going to be starting with today
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): is what I call the energetics of a group leader or a transformational leader. Who are you being when you play
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the instrument? How are you showing up? What are you believing? How open is your heart as you go to use your facilitation skills
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): as you deliver the the curriculum
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): right. That's who the musician is being. What is the passion that they're bringing? What is the energy that they're bringing to their skills and the instrument?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So those those 3 pillars, the curriculum and program development, the facilitation skills.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And then the energetics are what we're going to keep on coming back to and deepening over and over
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): over these 13 months.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the first weeks of the program are designed to help you uncover and explore, and effectively with nuance, lay out your content, lay out your thought leadership.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): sculpt.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and then from there sculpt that content and that leadership into powerful exercises, learning vehicles, experiences, so that your clients can really learn and transform.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And it's almost like how we're going to go about. This is, first we're going to craft the backbone of the curriculum.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and then from there we're gonna go back and flesh out each of the pieces. Make each of the pieces of your thought leadership meteor and juicier.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So in a way, as we continue on the program. And your work and your program is gonna kind of get sexier and sexier. Each week we have to start off a little basic, and then we'll get fancier and fancier.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): It's good to know on the outset, also that we're not gonna be putting your curriculum together in sequential order week by week.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Instead, we're gonna start at the core and then work our way out to the ends.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): It'll make sense as we do it, I promise.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And then through it all, we're gonna be weaving those facilitation skills and energetics.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I want to share with you as we get started the best way to use these 13 weeks so that you can really get the most out of it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So maybe a couple of you are here just to take in the content, but not walk out with a full curriculum. And if that's you
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): wonderful then the the program is going to be a little less intensive for you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): but I suspect that the majority of this community is here to walk out with a concrete curriculum and program. By the time that we're done.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and if this is you, then I recommend a couple of things.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): number one, if you can come to the calls, live.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): come, live as much as possible. Ask lots of questions. We're gonna have lots of opportunities for pausing, for questions, for coaching, for brainstorming.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): If you can't make the calls live. You'll always have the recording by the evening of, or latest by the next day.
Listen to those recordings.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and if any questions come up, let me know. Share in our Facebook group, ask me on our next call, etc.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Those of you that know me well, you know that I do like to talk a lot. I will always have a lot to share in our sessions. But that being said, if you know me, you also know I love QAI wanna hear your questions. I wanna hear what's percolating for you. I wanna hear what's coming up for you. We're always gonna have plenty of time for that.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Oh, second thing to do, or that I recommend. Put aside at least a good 90 min per week
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): outside of our Monday training sessions for your homework assignments.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Each class is going to have a homework assignment with it. That is an essential piece for you to create your curriculum.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): If you have more. So 90 min, if you have more than 90 min a week.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Amazing. But at minimum 90 min
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that may lessen as we move along the program as we get to the last third of the program.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): If you're someone who knows that you have trouble making the time for yourself. or maybe you put it in your calendar, but you don't really do it. You end up answering emails instead. Or I don't know watching Netflix. Whatever it is for you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I have you covered on that every week as a community, we're gonna have a 90 min. Get it done. Session.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): They are usually on Fridays, though not every week on Friday you've got all of it in your schedule.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And during those 90 min for those that wanna come, we're gonna come together as a community. And you're gonna get clear on the work that you wanna do over the those 90 min invol is gonna be leading most of those sessions. She's gonna get you centered. Feeling focused. You're gonna do some work
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): halfway through. You're going to come together. see what worked, what didn't work, how you're doing. Reset some goals and then do another work. Chunk
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in ball is also gonna be there for you over those 90 min. Whenever you need to answer a question to brainstorm with you on your curriculum to get you unstuck.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): etc.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So if you know you want that support or that accountability, I highly recommend the get it done. Sessions, if you haven't yet met involved. She is amazing. You want to get to know her. I'm actually gonna be meeting our first get it done session this week, so you'll get me for the first get it done. Session.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You all should have received an invitation to the Member center and with your own password to your own member center. That's where all of the recordings are gonna be housed for this program. The worksheets, the full schedule is in there. And
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I recommend there's you can click. There's something in there where you can click and download the entire program schedule onto your online calendar. If it's a compatible, compatible calendar, that's kind of an easy way to just get everything in your calendar.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What else do I recommend?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): That's it. We also have 2 retreats in addition to our training call and our our training calls and our get it done calls. I can't wait for those retreats. One is a bonus marketing retreat, where we're actually gonna do marketing, writing for your program sales, Page. And then another. One of those retreats is a deep dive in our work. Facilitation, some light shadow work stuff.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the member center has the most updated information there. Everything is in there. So it's it's good to just kind of go in there and take a look.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Maybe most important. Our session today is 3 h and we are gonna take a bathroom break 90 min in. Just so, you know. By the way, facilitation note when you're leading groups.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): people usually feel more settled in in the beginning. If they know when the breaks are, gonna be. So, it's part of just feeling okay and settling into the container one of the many things. So I always like to mention that.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay. One other thing that I wanna mention as we get started.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): one of the incredible perks of this program is that you can submit your curriculum to me
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): at any time, in whatever form. It's in
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for me to take a look at it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to give you some notes
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to give you some feedback or to help you get unstuck whatever it is. This is a huge thing. This is why I limit one of the reasons why I limit the amount of people in this program. So first of all, that's for you to know.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'm always happy. You gotta give me a few days. It's like a give me 72 h turnaround time. But I will, I will look, and I will look more than once through this program.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): The absolute, best way to share your work with me
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): is to put it into a Google Doc
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and give me access to it. I will never change your work on the Google Doc. But I will make suggestions
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in the sidebar.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): That is the most efficient way to do it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): If you need help with Google Docs. You can ask someone on the team, send us a note. We'll help you with that. And Ball is saying the member center has an explanation for how to use the Google Docs.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): if possible.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): share. If whatever you want me to look at, share the link in our Facebook group.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): That's the best way to do it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): That also gives us all opportunity to get inspired to learn from suggestions that I'm making for everybody. I know there are a few people here that aren't on Facebook. I honor that completely. I know it's not for everyone.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): If that's you, shoot me an email, and I'll get it to you that way.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): It is as with everything. Whenever you're wanting support or feedback.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the best thing is to say, let me know specifically what you want feedback on, or what your specific questions are. I can do an overall look for sure. But get specific on what you want and what you need
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you don't need to be on Facebook.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But if you are on Facebook please, you got an invitation to the Facebook group. I will be there? Every day of the week, most weeks answering your questions. Any questions you have in between sessions? I'll share a little inspiration here and there.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): The Facebook group. Is it also an opportunity for the community to get to know each other a little bit more? The community here is amazing. Get to know each other. You'll get to know each other through shares and class time, too. Share resources. Ask others about resources, and if you want accountability partners to get your work done, find accountability partners there, too.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): If you want to go ahead sometime in the next few days and introduce yourself in the Facebook group, please do. I always love reading introductions.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay. final thing.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Have patience.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): This is a process.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): The ideas that you start with at the beginning like starting today. Some of them are likely going to shift and tweak and change by the time that we're complete.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): this is normal and more than okay. Because again, this is a process and a cyclical process. And again, some people can just like download 1, 2, 3.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But for most people it's like peeling an onion.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You need to start out with the outer layer. You do a few rounds right it comes, and then it comes, and it comes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So that's what we're gonna do together
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): without applying the myth of perfection.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): The moment
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that you need to get it perfect
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): is the moment that you're cut off
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): from your creativity.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay, so I'm going to continue reminding this, we have to get messy in order to get our best ideas. And in order to put it together.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): so hopefully, already. You're seeing that there's a lot of support here for you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Way more than one would normally get in a 13 week group program.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Please use this support.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): The more support. The more you ask questions, the more you submit all the things, the more you're gonna get done.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): a lot of what I teach
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and what I'll be sharing, or some of what I'll be sharing at first is going to seem obvious.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): especially today's call.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and particularly if you're seasoned or smarty pants, and I always attract the smarty pants people because I'm one myself. Or if you've learned from me before, or if you came to the 3 day retreat that we did a few weeks ago. You may have heard some of this
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): before.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): if you've heard it before.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the invitation is to not tune out, but instead, have your ears perk up
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): even more.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): The juice
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): is always
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in the details always.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and so that brings us to resistance.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for now, I just want to share this and those of you who came to secrets of transformational group programs. You know this
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): fear when when you're in a program, and there's some fear around.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): How am I gonna reach my goals? Can I reach my goals? What's gonna happen? Once I reach my goals, you know any of it. That that that natural, normal fear that we all have can sometimes show up as resistance to the course itself.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): It's a great way of distracting us
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): from working through the fear, from doing the work at hand. Right we get into like instead, we get distracted into oh, I already know this. This is too hard, this is moving too fast. This is moving too slow. I'm overwhelmed. I don't like that, Joanna said, that whatever it is So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): as we've been along. notice, if you have resistance. and if you do. it's awesome, and I mean that very sincerely.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): If you have resistance, it is most likely because you're taking your work around developing your program really, seriously.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And there's some fear there.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): right? So share about the fear coming up. And we'll work through it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay? So with all of that.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): let me ask you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I know in general, we're all here to learn how to create programs and to have a program or an event by the end.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Take a moment and go even deeper than that for a moment.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and you can journal on this? Why are you here?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What is it that you have really come here to get?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Why.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): why is it important for you maybe, to create that course?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What are you here really to learn? What is it that you really want?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You take one more moment with that.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So the question again is, why are you really here? Yes, to walk away with a program and facilitation skills. But go even deeper.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What is it that you really want?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And for those of you that joined in the last few minutes. Again, I want to apologize for the the tech issue. If you had trouble getting on, we are, you know my team is on it, and we're gonna get that sorted out my apologies.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay, next question.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): if you were to take a guess.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what's the biggest obstacle that could potentially get in your way of creating and receiving what you want.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What's the biggest obstacle that could potentially get in your way? They ask us this at the outset, so that we can, you know, work on that right or or kind of preempt? It?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Is it your schedule?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And if so, is there something that you can shift in your schedule, Annelise? Already? Lack of time? I know that's a biggie, right?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What are some of the biggest obstacles? And what can you maybe do about it? Preemptively.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Sue is anticipating internal resistance, even though you're excited right now. Yeah, it it very likely can show up. Remember, if it does, it's normal.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Doesn't mean that anything's gone wrong. You just want to work through it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah, for Kelly's schedule. And then the tendency to have too many ideas we're gonna work on that. You're not the only one
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I love. This
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): robin is. Gonna give herself the g the gift of time and space to slow down. Yes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): yeah.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Marklee, we're gonna work on those fears, too. Yeah.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Brenda, saying, getting excited initially and then having difficulty with the follow through. If you know that that is, you, like Brenda.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): come to the get it done. Sessions, put them in your calendar now.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and also make sure that you raise your hand and ask questions during our time together
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): getting distracted.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Khalida, we're gonna work on the incremental steps. I promise you we're gonna find the right way for you. These are all great. Thank you for all of these shares.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay, one more question for right now.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): taking into consideration everything that you've seen so far.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What's your inner intention for our 13 weeks together? In other words.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): how do you want to be showing up?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What energy do you want to bring to this process.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): How do you want to be showing up?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And what energy do you want to bring to this process?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): The how we show up
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): is so important.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): How do you wanna show up? What is the energy that you wanna bring
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for? No, for Monica? It's fire energy, yes, grounded clear, alert
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for Amy to consistently show up and not self abandon. Beautiful
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for Annelise. Calm, focus, openness blossoming. I love that, and especially the blossoming beautiful for Robin to know fully that you're a thought leader. Yes, and a transformational facilitator. Yes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): curious and creative from Allah. Another curious. I love the curious and committed from Anna open and present tracking with ease. These are all beautiful
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for Courtney. Deep trust. Yes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): okay. So whatever that inner intention is.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): whatever that energy is that you want to show up for this important work, for
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I want to invite you to just take one moment
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and see if you can locate it inside of yourself, even if you haven't felt it lately. If it helps close your eyes, if that feels right for you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): whatever your inner intention is. find where you're feeling it in your body today?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): If it's focus, where is that focus? Where are you holding that today?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): If it's trust?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Where is that trust
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and whatever it is for you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Let yourself be with this energy for a moment.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Breathe into it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): make a body memory of it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Maybe you can even use the breath to stoke it
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): a little bit
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and ask this energy.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what does it want you to know as you step in
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to developing your program? What does it. Want you to know
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and take one more moment with that. And if you want to jot down anything, jot it down.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): we are going to start jumping in and going deeper between now and our break at 3 30 Eastern, we're gonna start to look at some energetics for thought leadership.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And then, after our break, we're gonna start to get into our thought leadership and first steps of curriculum development.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So before we get to the outer pieces of curriculum development. It's important to look at the inner.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): as some of you have heard me say before, energy follows energy
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and what that means for our thought, leadership and curriculum development. Is that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what we believe
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): about our ability to create unique and quality thought, leadership and curriculum.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what we believe about our ability dictates, how we're going to develop it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): For example. if we believe that we don't have anything important to say. we're likely
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to avoid working on our curriculum or get frozen or stuck as we do.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): or if we believe that what we have to say and teach isn't valuable enough, we may end up trying to stuff too much into the curriculum, thinking that over giving is gonna compensate for not being good enough.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): On the other hand.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): if we believe that our ideas are valuable, and that we have something important to say, and that we will be able
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to share it. Energy follows energy. On that. We're more likely to have patience with our process.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): We're more likely to make time for the creative process to take risks as we put things together, to be willing to be out of the box
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to not be so hard. On ourselves when we get stuck and to move on
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that makes sense so far
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): right? So how the energy that we bring to our curriculum development process
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): really make such a difference in the flow
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): of the process.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I mentioned this a few weeks ago at the 3 Day. But I want to just briefly mention this now, because it has to do with these energetics around thought leadership. And it's good to hear it again. If you already heard it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): The idea of thought leadership can make some of us recoil. It can make some of us feel really really uncomfortable.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): No, no, no, I'm not a thought leader or you know. thinking you're a thought leader is so ego based and wrong, or you know, whatever it is.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And we tend to feel this way about thought leadership, because
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): we either don't believe that we could ever have ideas that are good enough to qualify as thought leadership.
or
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): we don't believe that our ideas are fresh or unique enough.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): or we think that it's a power play to believe that it's too expert to share thought leadership.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): That's a biggie for those of us who value integrity because we don't ever want to be advice givers or override client agency anything like that.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And so if any of that has ever come up for you. I wanna just
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): at the get, go dispel some myths around thought leadership.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): It doesn't mean that you need to be totally unique
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in every aspect of what you do like. If that's what you're going for forget it. Give up. This is like we can't. There's so many different ideas that are already out there. Right? So it's not about being totally unique.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): It's not about being the only one to be sharing what you're sharing. We actually need a lot of people to be sharing what we're sharing to make bigger global impact. With these ideas.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): it's not about needing to have the most cutting edge ideas right to do any of these things that I'm mentioning would be daunting and impossible.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Here's what thought leadership is.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): number one
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): claiming your expertise in a certain area where you have powerful wisdom.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): an experience to share
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): right claiming your expertise where you have wisdom to share number 2. Here's also what thought leadership is
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): claiming your unique way
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): of articulating ideas
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in your area of expertise
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): some of the things. Not all.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): but some of the things that I'm going to share with you over these 13 weeks.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'm not the only one sharing those ideas.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): but I have a unique way of articulating them.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): of spinning them, of getting into the details, of presenting a folding space for them. Right? That's part of my thought leadership.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Here's another way to think about thought, leadership.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): crafting a methodology
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that deeply resonates
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): with and works for your particular ideal client.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So again, topic of this course, or one of them curriculum development. The way I'm gonna teach curriculum development. The methodology deeply speaks to my ideal client. There's lots of different people creating curriculum out there.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But what we learn here is for you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Here's another way that I like to think about thought leadership
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): having some ideas
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that go against
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the grain of your industry.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I am going to be challenging you, not in every part of your thought, leadership, in every part of your curriculum, but in some of it I am going to be challenging you to be a disrupter
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to go against the grain of the traditional.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Let me pause there. Okay, I've been talking for over 45 min now. I pause there. I'd love to hear share or 2. First, we're gonna come back to energetics in a moment. This thought leadership is important to our energetics. I'd love to hear share to on what's popping for you
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): on thought leadership. What's feeling important
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for you. On this
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you can just raise your hand and I'll call on you. Jennifer.
Jennifer: Yeah, just
Jennifer: so creepy.
Jennifer: appreciating just
Jennifer: Kenny.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Oh, you're cutting in and out. Jen, it's hard to hear you. I think you're witness your expert turn my gonna turn my video off. Is that okay? Yeah, that's much better. Okay?
Jennifer: Yeah. I was just commenting on how it's so lovely to witness your facilitation
Jennifer: that we get to
Jennifer: learn just by being in your container and something that really stuck out for me. And the thought leadership was
Jennifer: basically like.
Jennifer: it's not about being totally unique. But it is also being unique and re resonating our ideas through our filter. And this is something that has kind of tripped me up for years of like.
Jennifer: you know, seeing my mentors and wanting to teach my mentors things. But
Jennifer: while doing it, and and really claiming that
Jennifer: my filter is really powerful, that's right. And I don't have to just come up with my own ideas, but also recognizing how it can have this propensity to keep us stuck
Jennifer: of like. Oh, well, that person's doing it, so I can't do it as good as them.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But really it's like, no, we need to build build this Love army absolutely, and when we take the time as we're going to here to get into the details of things.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): We it's like we get, then our own spin, our own unique ideas, our spin on those ideas that then become our thought leadership. Like I said, the juices and the details.
Jennifer: Beautiful. Thank you for that.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Barbara.
Barbara Daughter, Becoming You Art: Well, I I'm I want to echo that as well. I really love I I'm really big about synthesizing information. So I, you know, getting it from over here and over here and pulling it all together, and it's like, Oh, it's not mine, just kind of like. Oh, it is mine, because I put my own flavor on it after.
Barbara Daughter, Becoming You Art: you know, and my own processes. So I think that's that's really so helpful to like, okay, you know, you know, we share 99.9% of our DNA. So, but I am still uniquely me. So I have to get all wrapped up in. Oh, that's not my idea. So I'm really, you know.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): happy that you're speaking to that today as we start? Yeah, yeah, exactly. I know. I want us to to feel comfortable with it as we go in. And I love what you're saying, Barbara, about also the the uniqueness comes from the process, not always the ideas, though the ideas as they get synthesized, they become more tailored to our thought leadership. But then, what is the process that we're sharing with it?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Beautiful? Thank you. Annelise.
Annelise Pesa: So I love the idea of being disruptive in my industries, in my niche. which is lawyers and senior professionals.
Annelise Pesa: At the same time. And this is what
Annelise Pesa: and I know. Maybe this is a little bit of resistance. I know that a lot of the issues it's not just solvable
Annelise Pesa: on a individual or group level, but it needs to be an industry effort.
Annelise Pesa: So I'm a little bit like I know I can work as much as I can in my circle of control in individual and group
Annelise Pesa: app. And then the system. Yeah, I mean, that's an issue that I think we've got to go deeper into, because I know that the system dictates how they work.
Annelise Pesa: And yeah.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): absolutely, I don't think it's resistance, Annelise. I what you're saying makes so much sense, especially for your industry and the lawyers. And so for you. And I'll help you with this as we go along.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): It's you wanna You don't wanna just take out the disruptive ideas. You do. Wanna plan to them. You do wanna seed them for these leaders. But you also wanna speak to. These are the things that you can do right away within the bounds of the industry. And then these are other things that I wanna let marinate in you as things change right. And you just connect the dots
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): on that. But don't take the disruptive ideas out, plant them, and give ways that they can start on it. Now.
Annelise Pesa: Good, okay.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): thank you. Thank you, Teresa.
Teresa Lea: So there's just
Teresa Lea: disrupt. The disruptor piece is also a piece that I'm exploring, because
Teresa Lea: I often notice where I hold back in that area, because in the situation where I want to speak up, I'm don't want to step on people's toes.
Teresa Lea: and I'm not always sure it's the right
Teresa Lea: venue or time for it.
Teresa Lea: even though I know that a lot of.
Teresa Lea: even though I believe that a lot of the way I think about things
Teresa Lea: would be very disruptive in some of my circle.
Teresa Lea: and so I'm just voicing that so that I can give myself permission to
Teresa Lea: be with that and
Teresa Lea: and have curiosity about how I can do it. Not from a place of you know.
Teresa Lea: thinking I know it all, but from a place of evoking curiosity.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yes, absolutely absolutely so. I'm glad you're speaking it out loud. I know that's your way of like, okay, I might end up having resistance here. So I'm naming it now, and of course there's a time in a place and a way to do it, so that you don't throw people under the bus.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): too right that you do it in ways that are respectful, that speak to your ideal client.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): With, you know all of that. And
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): sometimes we are going to step on other people's toes. And that's okay
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to her. Yeah, we'll we'll get more there.
Teresa Lea: Think
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you're welcome. I'm gonna take 2 more shares, for now I know there are a bunch of other hands raised, but we'll we'll have more time as we go through, I promise.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So Tina.
tina ghahramani-singh: Well.
tina ghahramani-singh: I'm by nature a Destructor. So
tina ghahramani-singh: I think. Well, I'm an acupuncturist and so it's it's a little bit different for me. Because
tina ghahramani-singh: the nature of what I do is I'm a healer, but also in the sematic piece.
tina ghahramani-singh: I I'm trying to find the balance of being passionate, but not like so this way, cause II like to push the boundary
tina ghahramani-singh: a lot.
tina ghahramani-singh: and it's not like in a egoic way. It's like cause I I'm passionate. I stand for human rights. And
tina ghahramani-singh: I'm I'm from a different culture, right? So it's part of who I am.
tina ghahramani-singh: And I know I shouldn't identify with it. But it is just
tina ghahramani-singh: part of who I am. You know what I mean?
tina ghahramani-singh: Yeah. So I want to create more softness with my disruption, because I'm almost like to the other level.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah, I won't stop with it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yes, I love that right. And there are ways of delivering that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): 100%. So I love that awareness. And also wanna remind everyone. We will talk about marketing in these 13 weeks. But there's a difference between disruption in marketing versus some against the green ideas or disruption within your curriculum. Right? So, that's it's just a good to kind of know there's a difference in the delivery of those, too.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay? Well.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): okay. And for now, Kalida. And then we're gonna keep on going, and I'll come back to more shares.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You there, Khalida.
Kellita Maloof: So sorry I was muted. Alice.
Kellita Maloof: whatever Jennifer said
Kellita Maloof: kind of stirred, and I almost thought, oh, maybe it's answered now, but I think it then, in the time in between distilled into something.
Kellita Maloof: one. I think of 2
Kellita Maloof: 2 places that I did a lot of learning, you know, too, and one
Kellita Maloof: attributed everything. You know all the pieces that came from. Okay, we got this over here, and then it's evolved this way. They were super super high in attributing everything. And then it was so clear that the body of work of that school was their own, even though many, many of the
Kellita Maloof: tools
Kellita Maloof: were originated elsewhere. And I love how they just hold those together.
Kellita Maloof: and then another school, and both have deeply influenced me and are present in my work. Another school they lean on the no, we made all this up
Kellita Maloof: almost. I'm not acknowledging anything, even saying like we stopped going to anybody else's work just so that this could just develop. And that just doesn't ring true to me. Because if we're with other humans and doing ongoing work for decades.
Kellita Maloof: there's yeah, like, yeah, some things that I actually didn't. I can't trace some of it to where it came from. I'm just a little struggling in all this place, especially coming forward with
Kellita Maloof: what I experience as a whole, a really whole body of work that I felt so stilted at expressing in its fullest. I get stuck between these places, and it's really painful, and I feel shame around it. And yeah.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): yeah, I'm so glad you're bringing it forward. I know that you're not the only one that feels this way. It is something that I've struggled with as well, for now I'll say a few things that will hopefully be helpful, and we can absolutely, you know, continue the conversation, and all of that. But number one. The first few years of my business.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I did not let anybody similar to that second group that you're talking about. I never let anyone. It was like I was the genius that was born out of no right. And it was because I was worried that people wouldn't see me as valid or good enough
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): if God forbid right like I had learned something right. But the truth is that we become more valid
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): when we share right what we've learned that we have a history. You know that what we're sharing has a history.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I would never wanna suggest to anyone to steal someone else's work or pull exactly what they're doing. That's not what we're talking about here, but what we are part of what we are talking about here is that there are lineages and legacies and shared ideas.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you know, I, before this career I was an art historian, and in art history. Basically, what we learned is like, once we hit the twentieth century, everybody just took from everybody else and from all the past styles of art. There is no way to not
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to to drown all of that out right? So that's number one, number 2 for anyone that this is feeling important to. I highly recommend going to my website. I have a page on my website where I lay out my legacy and my lineage and everybody that I've learned from, and important books that I've read, etc.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So I honor my lineage in that way, and then whenever I'm about to share something big that I know a big piece of it. II learnt in some way from somewhere else. I will name that as I do.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): so we're not talking about pulling directly at all.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But we have to acknowledge that we don't live in little silos.
Awesome.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): good.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): such important stuff, important in order to be an integrity, too.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay. so let's keep on going.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): when it comes to thought leadership. Here's some of the
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): most common beliefs or fears that can hold us back right where the the energy is off.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and we've already spoken about a lot of them.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'm not innovative enough.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): This can hold us back.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I have nothing important to say. Maybe that's a big one for you, or my ideas aren't good enough.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): or all the good ideas have already been taken as we've been talking about.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Maybe for you. There's a belief of the world just doesn't need this. Why does the world need, you know, one more course on blah blah blah!
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Maybe for you. There's a fear that people are going to hate what you have to say.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and they're gonna be angry.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You're scared of being criticized for your ideas, maybe
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): maybe for you. You're worried that your ideas are just downright wrong.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): right? And you would never want to share anything unethically. That's gonna hurt others.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): maybe for you. What holds you back in your thought leadership is, I have so many ideas about so many things. But I'm not an expert in any one thing.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): maybe for you. I don't. I need to have reached this amount of income in order to be a thought leader. I need to have taught this many people in order to be a thought leader. So I am not yet
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): thank you for you. I'm too young. I'm too old. Whatever it is. I'm gonna put all of these in the chat
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for you. Maybe it's one that I mentioned, or it's something else. What it's right now, maybe the top
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): belief or fear
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that holds you back from like really.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for lack of a better way of seeing it unleashing the fullness of your thought leadership.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and please share in the chat.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): It's one that I just mentioned, or it's a different one.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Maybe you have a couple. If so, pick one.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): or from Anisha finding a starting point, I have so much to say. Burn out. Jennifer. What's the belief or the fear there, that if I share my thought leadership. I'll burn out.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): maybe get a little more detailed on that. People will hate what I have to say. I don't want to hurt anyone because I might not be skilled enough.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Gonna look foolish. I'm gonna be attacked.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): People will go against what I have to say. Yes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): all of these, the fear of visibility, criticism, rejection. Yes, for Courtney, I'm not legitimate.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'm not linear or coherent enough to be a thought leader. Fear of being seen and criticized. I'll fail.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Kate is already unleashed. I love it. Yes.
so, Kate.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I honor that 100% I feel pretty unleashed to. And and that being said, there's always somewhere deeper to go right. So for the purpose of the next 20 min, maybe find a belief or fear that you around all of this, that you know, is, gonna be hurdle for you to work on.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Oh, I'm too weird. Yes. for Tara. What will so and so in my family think that is, thank you for sharing that, because that that is one that still sometimes comes up
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for me.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yes. okay, good.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So does everybody have a fear or belief that is ripe to work with a little bit.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): If you don't let me know.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Robin, you're not sure you want to come on for a moment.
Yeah, I can't tell exactly what it is. It's like.
Robyn Vogel: I guess it's something to do with like the full confidence. I mean, yeah, the full confidence of like
Robyn Vogel: being a thought leader.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What when you say full confidence? No, no, I feel cause I feel like there's something there. So what is that?
Robyn Vogel: What is the what is the part that you're not confident about?
Robyn Vogel: Makes me want to cry, to think about like like II mean, I've just literally came off of a weekend I led, and so I'm trying to tap back into like how I feel when I'm
Robyn Vogel: so visible, and people are sitting there looking and listening and hanging on every word, and wanting to like, absorb.
Robyn Vogel: you know. And then I have a part that shows up that's like
Robyn Vogel: afraid
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): of what?
Robyn Vogel: Well, without thinking about it, what comes is like being wrong.
Robyn Vogel: I see more tiers are coming with that. So I'm gonna guess that's at least part of it. Yeah.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And I'm just gonna go with that, because I don't even know like, that's not something. I think consciously, I love that you let that come through Robin, and allowed for that right. And there might be other things, too. We're just working on starting to work on one right now. But that do you agree like that feels like a right one? This fear of
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I of being wrong. And what I'm sharing is wrong.
Robyn Vogel: Yeah, I'm gonna go with. That's right, cause that's what just came up. And I don't know my mind. Isn't.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you know I trust that. Yes, I love it. Good.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): whatever that fear is, or that belief is for you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): It didn't just start when you started teaching or thinking about teaching or putting together curriculum right? So, to use Robin's example. This fear of being wrong
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that seed got planted somewhere before
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): right.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So everyone take a moment and write down. Where did the seed of that fear or belief get planted for you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): connect the dots for yourself.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): When did that first come up for you?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Take one more moment with that?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Who modeled that for you, or taught that to you
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what was the event or series of events that brought that fear originally, or that belief originally into being?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Here's another question to journal on for a moment, and Rahal going to take your share in a few minutes and skip through a few questions.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Where, whenever that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): seed got planted.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): how does how has it protected you?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Right? So how has the fear? The belief proted you?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Right. So I'm I'm making this up for Robin. But just to continue with the example, this not might be exactly true, right? But maybe, then that fear of being wrong
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): kept you from saying too much when you were younger, and and that protected you, because then you thought you got everybody's love, or you didn't hurt the people that you loved right might not be. That could be something else right? Just as an example.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): how did that protect you? How was survive? Whatever the fear of the belief is, how have you been using it as a survival mechanism of sorts?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Alright, is everybody with me so far? Yeah.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): few more questions. And then I'm going to take shares.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So whatever it is that you're uncovering so far, and seeing whether it's the first time you're seeing it, or you've already known this, and you're coming back to it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): First thing is, I want to invite you to love all of yourself in this.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Can you have compassion and love
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for the ways that you've protected yourself.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So just take a moment and love on yourself, and this part of you
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): love on it. It has served.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): It may not need to serve in this way anymore, but it has
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): from there. Here's my next question for you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What is a better belief for you when it comes to your thought leadership.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What is a better belief for you? A more helpful belief
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): when it comes to your thought leadership?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Right? So again, sorry to keep on using you as an example, Robin, but I'm just gonna like follow it through with this whole thing. Maybe there's so many new beliefs for Robin that could be more helpful. But maybe for Robin, it's
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): it's okay to be wrong.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): or I'm not going to hurt anybody. If I'm wrong, I can. Course, correct. If I'm wrong.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'm safe if I'm wrong, right? One of those right? So what is a more helpful belief that is based on the old one.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and please share in the chat.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So for Monica it is. I'm capable of being understood and even embraced. I love that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for my innovative, unconventional offerings.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Beautiful
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for Amy. It's okay to trust myself. Yes, it is
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for Margalite. It's my people want to hear from me. They don't want me to hide. Yes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for Brenda. It's it is okay to not know it absolutely. There's so many things I don't know. And I still teach it absolutely. It's
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for Kristen. It's thought. Leadership isn't tied to capitalism or money. Whoo! Nice
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for Barbara, honoring my uniqueness, allows others to honor and trust theirs
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for Robin. I'm safe when I share my thoughts with my participants. Yes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for Kelly, I'll attract clients who love my work and will benefit greatly from it. Yes. Michael, and yes, it's okay to fly your freak flag. Yes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): these are all beautiful.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Hmm. yes. okay.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Here's what I'd like for everybody to do next.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): where I want to invite you to whatever this new belief is.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Well, let's do this. Let's do this this way. If it's okay to close your eyes, close your eyes for a moment, if not, keep them open. Whatever is more comfortable for you
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): find where you're holding this belief in your body.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): it might just be in your little itty toe. And that's okay. If it's little. But you have it somewhere. If it came through, you have this belief somewhere in your body, the new one.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the new belief.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Thanks for asking quick.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and wherever it is that you're holding this new belief in your body.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): take a moment and focus on it, be with it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): hold space for it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): really connect
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to this new belief.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Notice how it feels.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and then ask this new belief
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to write through you, so you'll in a moment. You'll open your eyes and journal for a few minutes and ask it. What more does it want you to know?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What more does it want you to know this new belief.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and you've got about 2 min and just start writing. See what wants to come through.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Ask it to give you some more details on this truth.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): more pieces.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and take another half minute.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and just finish up whatever last thought wants to be finished up.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And when you're done, read over what you just wrote.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And now I'd love to hear a couple of shares. What's coming through? What's feeling important?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What are you seeing.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Rahul?
Rochel Keller: So this was actually addressing something that you had said before.
Rochel Keller: I want to be able to
Rochel Keller: affect as many people as I can. and at the same time I'm not sure where to begin.
Rochel Keller: But besides that, I'm a big fan of understanding that
Rochel Keller: one can learn from everybody in their life. That being said.
Rochel Keller: are these ideas my ideas, or are they their ideas.
Rochel Keller: and
Rochel Keller: am I phony about it? Who am I to say all these things when
Rochel Keller: there are many people who are much more educated than I am
Rochel Keller: along those lines.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah. yeah. So what came through in your new belief
Rochel Keller: that I'm doing the best I can. I'm not an expert, but I do have a different, very different, unique way of
Rochel Keller: of presenting my information. And Whoever I attract I attract, and whoever I don't, it's not my
Rochel Keller: realm of influences just doesn't work.
Rochel Keller: Keep on remembering to say that. Not that they don't like me. It's just not a good match.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): That's right, that's right. So that right there, I want you to pave those new neural pathways, those ideas more inside of yourself, so that they can at least compete a bit more. With that I'm a phony. I'm a phony. They can kind of drown some of that out if it feels right for you. I want you to go back, and you know, a couple of times over the next few weeks I'll be reminding everyone
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): continue journaling on that coming back to those ideas, come back to the what those new ideas feel like in your body practice that
Rochel Keller: actually also the place that they feel is right here. but it's also the place where I feel
Rochel Keller: most powerful is in my drawing and my speech, and at the same time it's false at the same place where I feel so vulnerable.
Rochel Keller: And I do find myself even now in a social situation.
Rochel Keller: not saying everything that's on my mind. because I'm afraid of what other people say or do. and it was a simple.
Rochel Keller: a ridiculously simple example.
Rochel Keller: I went bike riding with my grandchildren. I haven't been on a bike in many, many years, and I was telling one of my kids about this. And I said, You know you can't do that.
Rochel Keller: You're just you can't do that. Stop! It's just.
Rochel Keller: And I you know it was a little disempowering. But I did it anyway. So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): right? So come back to that same wisdom that you shared a minute ago, even with this right social situations a little bit different than teaching and business. But come back and you can even work this process with social situations, too, if you want. You know what are the the better beliefs there. So continue to work with that good
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Kelly.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): So it's interesting. This I know we're like listening to the body, but it kind of feels like I'm listening to the ancestors and the guides today. But the first thing was like, you're asking the wrong question.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): and and you're not you, Joanna, like Kelly, is asking the wrong question. But it was, it was oh, and my my belief is around like perfectionism, and like fear of visibility, and needing to do it all right. And and if I don't. I'm somehow betraying and
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): and and it the voices that I heard were like, you're doing this in service. This isn't about you being judged for you like. This is what's coming through you. This is bigger than you, and it's not like it's not for you to put out and think it's yours, or that you're being judged for it, or or that somehow, like you own this. But like
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): this, is you joining in? Sorry for the word, but like this? Is you joining in revolution like here, you're here to make change and to support others. And yet it takes courage. But it's actually not. It's really not about you. This isn't yours to restrain or hold back.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And yeah, so it was. It was really not about like, it's not about me. It's like, Go, go, do go! Do what you've come here to do feels so important, so so important. And I think it gives even bigger meaning to what you're doing as well.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Thank you, Teresa.
Teresa Lea: So the the there are different things that were said. But they
Teresa Lea: What I was
Teresa Lea: working with was, even if I'm you know what? If I'm wrong, then I'll be abandoned.
Teresa Lea: But the key message that came through that people have the right to disagree with you
Teresa Lea: it doesn't mean that either person is wrong. It's just an opportunity for growth. But what's most important is that you don't abandon yourself.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I love that. Yes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): yeah.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I think again, he, coming back to that, continuing to pay that so important
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): beautiful. Don't you feel like we could just make a book of all of these pieces of wisdom that are coming through. Each one of them is a pearl. Nina.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you there, Nina.
Nina von Feldmann: I think you're on mute. There we go. Sorry shuffled around.
Nina von Feldmann: I take a stand for human transformation and
as a thought leader. I am susceptible to being attacked
Nina von Feldmann: because I may not do it right. And in the world of woke culture, being a white woman talking about things and matters.
Nina von Feldmann: there's a lot of room to throw arrows
Nina von Feldmann: one, and I don't personally like being attacked. I want to be right. I want to be perfect in everything I do.
Nina von Feldmann: I don't want to step on anyone's toes. I want to include everyone. I want to do it right, and I can't. And I know myself it's not possible. So I take a stand for transformation within my own being, and
Nina von Feldmann: I take
Nina von Feldmann: absolute care in other being, their trauma bodies and nervous system bodies and my own included. And what I have to offer is meaningful, and the web that I cast out into the world, even if it's just into my small circle if people don't want it, and they don't understand what I'm offering. There are so many people on the planet who do actually want what I have to say and what I have to offer. And so that is a truth I have to keep reminding myself, and the bigger I cast the web.
Nina von Feldmann: sometimes, perhaps, maybe the bigger the target I am, but I know that I'm safe, and I'm trusted, and and I, too, can navigate this, because this is what I take a stand for, just the commitment. I shouldn't say just. I feel the commitment to that and the deep
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): knowing of that, and how important that is and is going to be for you as you move forward and bring your work more out in the world. Beautiful, so so beautiful. Keep on coming back to that. Yes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): okay. I'm gonna take Tara and Emily's, and then I'm gonna share one more little thing, and then I promise we're gonna take a little break.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Tara
Tara Sage: I
Tara Sage: oh, there's no.
Tara Sage: I mean, can you share in the in the chat, Tari cause they want to hear what you had to say.
Tara Sage: Okay, okay.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): okay.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Annelise, did you want to share?
Annelise Pesa: Yeah.
Annelise Pesa: So
Annelise Pesa: I'm a little bit like Kelly, I yeah, everything needs to be perfect. And I have to be really original. And
Annelise Pesa: I've also was, you know, was talking to like a marketing coach a while ago, and he was saying, you know you are dealing with lawyers. They're intelligent. You cannot just say things that they already know.
Annelise Pesa: And then there are. Gonna be that as you said, you know, some of the things you say we already heard, but it doesn't mean that because you already heard it, it doesn't have
Annelise Pesa: a profound effect.
Annelise Pesa: And for me it's my new belief is that I can have contribution.
Annelise Pesa: and that I can find the flow to blossom and be a greater contributor, like a flower is to the world. It's just.
Annelise Pesa: you know, like to follow the flow from me is it should be effortless, and I'm sort of like trying to connect with this flow of being effortless without
Annelise Pesa: overthinking. But just really. yeah, follow something inside me. Maybe this connection to the belief that you were mentioning and just
Annelise Pesa: flow.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yes, yes, I see that on your expression on your face, Annelise, I can see that flow, and it might be that that image of that flower to the world, so beautiful is one to find continuously find inside of yourself, find the energy of that flower, and then let the flow move from there
Annelise Pesa: and then, John, I wanted to say this for the benefit of every one. My husband just said to me, Oh, check! This guy used to work with this edge fund, and now he's a coach. Check his profile on Linkedin, and I check this profile on Linkedin.
Annelise Pesa: and he was saying so many obvious things that I did judge him, and I was like, you are supposed to be this big gurus, and you're talking about the tails of the 2 wolves
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): people his right people. That's what they need to hear again, right? Or for the first time, whatever it is for them. Yeah, it's so important to remember that. Go ahead.
Annelise Pesa: Thank you. Thank you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So Courtney is saying in the chat. Perfectionism is internalized abuse.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I can't be in my truth, integrity, power, brilliance, joy, while abusing myself, even if I'm doing it, to try to keep myself safe. Yes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I have to be willing to let go of my perfectionism in order to be perfectly myself. So so beautiful, Courtney, you can. You know
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I would continue to journal on this for sure. and then
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you might wanna play with the part of yourself that is imperfect, like, connect in with the messy, imperfect what you know, whatever it is.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and with the highest wisdom of it, and connect with that one.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Tara, you got a powerful image. I'm so so glad. Yes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): yes, so, Kalida, it's okay. If you're just now finding the belief you've got the recording, and you can come back to this whole process, and I encourage you know. So this is a great segue into
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what I wanted to share next, and then we'll take a break, which is the difference. This is important for what we just did, and then for all of your work in your programming. Those of you that have been through sacred depths. You've heard me say it a million times. There is a difference between a breakthrough and a transformation.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): right? So acknowledging an old belief, or where it came from, or what the new belief is, or some of the writing, that some of us started to do. Those are all breakthroughs, new ideas, new awareness. That's gonna help us. That's gonna move us forward right? But the transformation, the actual changing of the old belief into the new belief
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that can only come with practice. So, as so many of you have been sharing, I've been giving just little ideas for homework assignments to bring the breakthroughs into transformation. And I wanna encourage everybody. Come back. Continue journaling. If an image came through to you in this. Come back to that image, find it inside of yourself, feel it, Journal. From that work the new belief
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): over time. We'll come back to it over time as well.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Alright, let's take a fort. We're gonna take a 14 min break. So it's 3, 36 Eastern. We're gonna come back at 3 50, and we're gonna jump into some outer pieces for curriculum.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So I'll hang on the line for a minute. If you need anything. If not, I'll see you back at 3. Jana, how long is the break?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): 14 min. We'll be back at 3 50. Eastern.
Annelise Pesa: Okay, perfect.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): All right. So let's come back together.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): we have time for one share, for now, before we keep on going, I know we've already had a lot, but I'd love to hear from one more person. What did you take from the first
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): part of our call? What's
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): feeling important? What's really resonating for you? What are you seeing?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'd like to share
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): heather. And Emily.
Heather and Emily: Thanks, Joanna.
Heather and Emily: I think what's really resonating for for us is just you know.
Heather and Emily: not letting
Heather and Emily: like the
Heather and Emily: what the naysayers have to say, like, become our beliefs. Yeah.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): yes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): it's important for all of us. It's so. II understand that, too. And I have to remind that of myself, you know. Remind that to myself as well. So keep on coming back to that. So there there is. They're always going to be naysayers always.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and the greater the work, I think the more naysayers there are sometimes right, so we can't
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): expect, for there not to be right. But we can build the resilience and remind ourselves exactly of what you just said. Right? But that doesn't doesn't mean that it's true.
Heather and Emily: And I think especially specifically for the curriculum that we want to build, which is, you know, re-entry curriculum for women transitioning from incarceration
Heather and Emily: is they wanna tie
Heather and Emily: recidivism to
Heather and Emily: the impact of our program.
Yeah.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): yeah, right? So you have certain institutional pieces that you also have to look at. You're a little more encumbered than like same be where I don't have to answer to an institution. But even still within that, right? You you can. I think you can work this
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): a lot. Oh, we know we know we can. I'm so glad.
Heather and Emily: Did you have your hand raised?
Monisha Mittal, Powhatan Empire, Virginia, She/Her: Do you want to share Monica? Yeah, I was just gonna say that, you know,
Monisha Mittal, Powhatan Empire, Virginia, She/Her: getting it's the process for the first 90 min was it was like a big clarifying, and just, you know, bringing in the intentions was very grounding, and my other take away is just just a clear reminder, like, I'm not here alone, and and that my higher self is like really present, you know, to help co-create
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): with in this space. Yeah, I'm so glad that you're sharing that II love that. I feel that, too. So happy. That came through.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Good.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay, we. This is not our only work with energetics. I promise we're gonna come back to it a lot in lots of different ways. But for now, hopefully, that was a good enough sort of setting for us to start to look at curriculum development and mining of thought, leadership revealing thought leadership.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So where I want to start is here
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): with the following idea that we're gonna break down in a lot of different ways.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Your curriculum should take your participants on a journey.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay, we want to think of our curriculum, which is based on our thought leadership
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): as a journey
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for our participants.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): If you were in secrets to transformational group programs. A few weeks ago we started to cover this there. And we're going to go much deeper into this
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): today and over the next weeks. So even again as a reminder, even if you've heard this before, learning is cyclical, as is the process of curriculum creation, so it's good to go deeper into the material.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So your part, your curriculum, should take your participants on a journey.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You know one of the big mistakes that I often see group leaders do is that they put together exercises and teaching pieces activities that are all wonderful. They're all really beautiful, but the different pieces don't quite fit together.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and if the different pieces don't fit together, the curriculum is not going to be
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): effective. Your audience is either gonna get lost or confused
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): or disinterested.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): or they won't completely feel the relevance or the importance of the material.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So one of the examples that I often like to use is this one? Let's say you're a business coach, and you wanna lead a workshop on how to bring more on more clients. You wanna teach people how to bring in more clients. And so you say to your you might say to yourself.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I wanna do a teaching on how to create a marketing funnel. But then I also happen to be a Reiki master, and I know Reiki will help people bring on more clients. So I wanna do that next. And then from there I'm gonna teach them this really cool, new way of writing copy. And I also have this exercise that I love about values and priorities. It's made such a big difference in my life. So I'm gonna stick that in there in the end.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that's not gonna work.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): There might absolutely be a way to use. Utilize each of these exercises. Each of these talents. each of these skills there probably is.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But the way that you set up your curriculum and the underpinning behind it all is what's going to make the difference
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): between a hodgepodge of interesting exercises
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): versus a highly effective and seamless experience of growth.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): This, also, by the way, solves the problem of I need to have only one brilliance or modality. That's not true. I work in so many of my brilliances, my different techniques, my modalities, my weird pieces of knowledge that I have.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): etc.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You don't have to pick one. What you have to do is, find the underlying journey
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for your curriculum, and then organize the techniques, the modalities, the ideas to support
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that journey.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So, in other words, you want your curriculum to follow a path
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): similar to a hero's journey.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So if you think about Greek mythology or any novel that you've read or play, whatever it is. the hero needs to go on the journey to receive all of the learning and transformation the results that they want.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): They can't just go straight from the beginning to the end, and receive everything that they need to know
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): your course. Participants are the hero, and your curriculum is the journey.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): The different exercises or topics that you share in your retreat in your program, whatever it is, literally become the steps on the journey.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): so that your participant can ultimately achieve what they want to achieve.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So I like to think I'm a visual person. I like to think of the curriculum as also kind of like a road trip.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): When you think about the road trip. you kind of need to know where you're starting on the road trip
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): where you want to end up.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and then you plot the journey from there
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): right? So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): if you don't know if you're starting in New York or Boston, and if you don't know if you want to end up in San Francisco or Seattle.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): It's gonna be very hard to lay out the pieces of that road trip unless you're cool with taking all the time in the world, and this diversion and that distraction right all over the place. But if not, you want to get as clear as possible on where you're starting
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and where you're ending.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Once you do that. the Reiki, for example, from the example before, might absolutely be able to fit in. But it will help inform
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): where it fits in as opposed to just being a diversion on the road.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Does that make sense so far was this concept of the journey.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): so
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that journey that curriculum that you end up laying out ultimately is your methodology right? That is your thought leadership.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for some of the people here.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You might already know what your method or your methodology is, the step by step wisdom that you want to teach, and then for some of you
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you kind of a little bit know, and for some of you here, you're just starting out
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): wherever you are is perfect and exactly right.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And even if you already have your method, don't tune out here, I want you to approach what we're gonna be looking at over this week and next, with a beginner's mind and with openness, because
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): even if you already have your methodology.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): this is, gonna be an opportunity to make the way that you share and teach your method even richer, even more layered, even more powerful and empowering, and even more unique to your thought leadership.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): It's an opportunity to get creative again.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and find even more of the wisdom that's laying underneath the wisdom that you've already laid out.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): before we start to talk about the beginning and the end of the journey.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): First. I want us to look at this.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what is the vehicle? Right? If we're going to continue to use this metaphor of the journey or the road trip?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What is the vehicle
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that you want your heroes to be taking across country?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Is it a car? Is it a truck. or is it a boat? Right? Because what the vehicle is is also going to determine what the steps are, how you take the steps, how many steps there are.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in the case of programming the vehicle on the journey or the road trip. Is
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): is this a retreat? Right? Is the vehicle for your hero? A retreat? Is it an in-person workshop?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Is it a 6 week course? Is it a 12 week course? Is it?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): A home study course.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Right? Is it a mastermind? Each vehicle has its strength
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and also has its limitations.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and its strengths and limitations are what are going to help you as the creator of the curriculum, understand more of that journey. So, for example.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): let's say your vehicle for your heroes is a three-day retreat.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): The scope of that journey is going to be very different than a 90 min workshop, even if it's on the same topic.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): One strength of the in person retreat is how deep you can go right. You can do more experiential exercises in an in person retreat where you have a lot of time. You can have even deeper community connection. You have lots of that time for that in person container.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But the limitation, for example, of a retreat versus, say, a 6 week online course is that it's a one shot deal. right? So there might not be homework or implementation time in between sessions.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): The way that the information is processed in a retreat is gonna be different than over 6 weeks, right? And we can even use this course as as an example of this. I've often thought about teaching curriculum
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): as a like 4 or 5 day in person retreat where it's just a 5 day incubator, where we lay out
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): curriculum in some ways that would be amazing, because people would get their work done in real time. They'd be continuing with ideas. They'd be fully immersed in the container. We could do some other deeper experiential exercises.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But in other ways, as I've been saying so far today, it takes time like you wanna marinate on ideas. Ideas change. Right there. There's a time release capsule sometimes to things. So if I ever taught curriculum as a retreat.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): probably I would have at least a couple of follow up sessions weeks later, right? With some homework in between.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): That's just one example.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you want to start thinking, what is your vehicle here you might already know or not know. And you don't need to figure it out today. By the way, again, this is cyclical. I'm planting the seeds for this now, and as you lay out your curriculum it will become more clear.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Here's another part of the vehicle that you wanna start. I wanna invite you to start to think about how many heroes are gonna be riding in that vehicle?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): In other words, how many participants?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Because the amount of participants in a program, a retreat, a circle, whatever it is. Also they each have their strengths and limitations.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and that's going to dictate to you some ideas, some the best ways of teaching and sharing.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So, for example, if it's a smaller group.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): usually my rule of thumb is the fewer the people, the more sharing opportunities. You're going to work in the more time for group processing and sharing.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): so you want to think about
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): how many people right? Another example of this I shared earlier, because I want to include in life changing courses the opportunity for feedback on your curriculum. I'm going to limit the amount of people
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in this program. It can't be a 2 200 people in this program cause I would do nothing for 13 weeks other than feedback on curriculum and probably not sleep right?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So take a moment
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): right now and again. No myth of perfection here. We're gonna keep on coming back to this. But for now as as we're starting to think about some of this.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what's the vehicle?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What's maybe the overall format of the program?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): How many heroes would be ideal for it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): We're gonna do a whole class on format and program components. So we're gonna get there. But just
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): play with it. For now it might change.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Here's another example, just in case it's helpful.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): When I teach. When I and some of you have been in a shadow training with me when I train practitioners on shadow.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): At most we have 20 people in the room, usually not more than that, right? Because training on shadow is deep and a lot comes up for people. And even when I have an assistant in the room which I always do, I am tracking everybody very carefully.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): right? So that's gonna I can't have more people in the room.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Jennifer is already sharing. I love it. 9 months plus a 4 day retreat 16 people. You seem to sound very clear.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Alright! Let me pause here. I'd love to hear questions or thoughts.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): or what's sparking for you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Robin's got a similar vehicle to Jennifer. Love it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Robin.
Robyn Vogel: Well, I think it's really important to name, and I love. There's one of the reasons I love you, Joanna, among Danny, is that you're so thorough
Robyn Vogel: and deep with everything.
Robyn Vogel: And I do a lot of in person. And
Robyn Vogel: I'm I joined this curriculum program to work on my
Robyn Vogel: one of my online programs. So I guess I just wanna say that what's what's showing up is like knowing the strengths and the limitations of each of the vehicles is really important to draw on the strengths. And then in some way either compensate for those limitations or just know like, that's a limitation. So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): absolutely, it's like, sometimes you wanna compensate if there are ways to do it that you know. And then other times. No, that's that's the limitate, right? We're not gonna do as much experiential work in this program as if we were in person. We're not gonna do as many breakout rooms as we would if we had full day classes. It's just
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): it is what it is. But then I'm gonna add other. Right? Then I have other ways to get the same results with this format.
Robyn Vogel: Right? Yeah, thank you. It's really
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Jennifer.
Jennifer: Something that was interesting. When you asked
Jennifer: what the vehicle was. I immediately like
Jennifer: saw this like velvet interior, and it was flush and royal. And I was like, Wait a second because I also wanna make it affordable. And so it was kind of this like, yes, I'm clear, and I've been thinking about this for a while, but I also had this moment of like wait.
Jennifer: and, as you know, one of my fears is to burn out, and I was like, wait. But if I make it plush.
Jennifer: you know, and is that gonna be on me? Am I gonna have to hire a team da da da da da, and it's only it's only
Jennifer: 16 people. But that's kind of you know, bigger than what I've held in the past. So anyway, it was just interesting to see the velvet and then be like.
Jennifer: Well, can it still be velvet and affordable?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yes, yeah. So you're bringing up such great pieces. So first of all. some of the vehicle is going to dictate the cost
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): right. And if you have a program with 10 people in it. There's it's probably gonna be a different cost than if there were 60 people
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in it. Right? So that's one thing is that this. It is information. What I would recommend for you if you like. This idea is.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): let's see the the plush. Did you say it was purple, or did I just make that up?
Jennifer: It was like
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): like Marin, like Burgundy. Okay, so that's great. So let's think of the plush Burgundy vehicle or interior as an archetypal energy.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Right? That doesn't mean it has to be more expensive, or this that, or the other thing. And if it feels right, I would still stick with it, and I would connect with it as an archetypal energy. Jen, and ask it, you know, what do you want me to know about my program
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and and let it speak to you. You can journal through it, you know. But see! See what that that Burgundy plush actually is.
Jennifer: I love it. I love it, and it's you know. It was the interior, too. So it's like, Oh, the inside is royal. Something else, too, that I just wanna name is that
Jennifer: I was like, oh, this means. you know.
Jennifer: my one on one vip. Clients like my rates are probably gonna go up. And I just realized, well, this is my
Jennifer: like, my, I think, what what do you call it, Beta?
Jennifer: It's like this is, gonna be my first group program. You know, it can be a great cost. And then the next one will
Jennifer: just reflect. And basically, what I'm saying is like, we're all evolving off time we all know that. And like just to give us the grace of like, Oh, yeah, well. it'll be super affordable now, and that's really exciting.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and maybe the next one's a little bit more, you know. Okay, thanks, Joanne. I'm gonna do that.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): David.
Deva Munay: Yeah, I'm loving all of this. I'm curious. I've been teaching in person. 5 day retreats, and it's hovered around like 20 people, which I've gotten really comfortable and kind of the sweet spot. But the sline where I teach.
Deva Munay: They're giving me a larger room, and they're like, well, the room dictates the limitation on the group, so they're hoping there's going to be more like 40 people. And
Deva Munay: in my mind, that's like pretty different, substantially different on how to create the curriculum. And I don't really have the say of limiting it. I mean, I could if I really wanted to stick to the 20, they just put me in a smaller room. But how if you're building the curriculum. Would you have? Kind of like some variations depending upon how
Deva Munay: like some flex in there for how large the group gets for a live event.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah, it's such a great question. So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): rule of thumb. What I've come to see is that the steps are still gonna be the same overarching topics, or you know, pieces of the journey, the thought leadership that you hit. But the more people in the room.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the less deep you're going to go
Deva Munay: and teach.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And that's
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for a lot of different reasons. One is because if you're gonna do like deep experiential or shadow whatever. Again, there's just so many people you can track and have the limitations of safety, you know, like the All, all of that, the other is because if you're having time for sharing and processing.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): There's just so much time, right? So you may not get into all of the layers of the exercises or or the pieces the bigger the group
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): gap
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): unless you wanna make the journey shorter
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to have time for the depth of each.
Deva Munay: And then
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you're gonna wanna work in more
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): partner shares is another thing. I mean, there's lots of you know. We'll get to more things. But for now also think about working in more partnerships. So people have time to process. What's coming through
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for that?
Deva Munay: Okay? So those are to start to think about. And then with like online, I have that similar question of.
Deva Munay: is it priced higher? So it's more intimate? Or do I make it a lower price entry to hope to be able to bring in more people, and I'm sure we'll get into all the nuts and bolts. But yeah, just looking at the pros and cons of the different group sizes, or and then
Deva Munay: I guess that price point kind of is where you're structuring like, if you have it.
Deva Munay: that you're hoping to draw more people is that kind of how you see it based on.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah. So that's where the business part comes in. We always want the sanctity of the program and the quality and all of that. But if I know that you know for the amount of time and effort and energy and money that I'm putting in for a 6 week program.
Deva Munay: I want to yield
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): overall at least x amount of money. Let's say I'm just making. Let's say I want to yield $100 right? It's gonna be more than that right 100,000.
Deva Munay: If there's 10 people in the program that's gonna
Deva Munay: end up with one price versus. If there's 100 people in the program. It's gonna end up with another price. Right? So about kind of like what? The what your financial return, what you want it to be. Yes, I will never! I will never!
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What's the word I'm looking for? Risk quality like I'll never stuff more people into a program just to make more.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I will adjust the price accordingly, or adjust the format. What are the things that I'm including in the program to get the the quality there with more people
Deva Munay: got it. Okay, thanks. Thanks.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay, Kelly. And then we're gonna keep on going. And again, I just for everybody I know. I said it twice. I want to say it one more time, not expecting you to.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): No, I mean some of you know already. It's great, but it might evolve.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): This is just to start thinking about it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Kelly.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): So my question is, I mean, I'm thinking about doing an 8 week thing. But I'm also thinking about doing a 6 month thing and what I'm wondering, or what I was visualizing, was almost like the cycle within the cycle, like the 8 week thing is to bring people in. It's a lower price point, but it gives people an intro to the work and then lets them see you know how it feels. But it's basically guiding them through the whole
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): journey in a speedier way. But then they have the chance to deep dive for the 6 month piece, and I'm wondering if
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): that makes sense, or if that I mean, we'd also talked about doing this within the Vip days.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): I guess I'm I'm just a little. II have that voice in my head of like, what if you don't get enough people and you've come in it for those 6 months, and that just keeps
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): coming up so. And I guess really good question is like, how much do you ask your people before you design a whole thing?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): How much do you what
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): check in with your people before you design a thing I mean, it's great to do research and ask people and see where they're at. So I would absolutely encourage you to do that.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and then I mean nothing that I ever say is, you know, is truth with a capital T, and there's many different. And I'm just tossing this. If you're gonna do a
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): 2 months, a two-month and a six-month.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I would. I mean, we'd have to get and more into the nitty gritties, but I would almost suggest it's 6 weeks and 6 months, and instead of having the 6 week be a mini
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): of the 6 months I have the 6 weeks. Be a leg of the journey of the 6 months where you go, D,
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): and then continue the journey. In the 6 month from there, even if you rewind a little bit at the beginning of the 6 month.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): Okay, great. Thank you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Barbara. We're going to keep on going, and then I'll open up for Q&A in the end.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay, so
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): we're thinking about the car right or the vehicle.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and then
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): part. Then the next piece
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): is
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to think about where our hero is starting, and where our hero is ending.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): The more detailed that you can get
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in the starting
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): of the where is the hero starting? And where is the hero ending? It's going to do a couple of things for you. It's going to help you get more clear on what the methodology is, what are the steps in between?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): It will also help
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you start to see what is your unique
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): thought leadership. What is your unique scope? What is your unique angle?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So as an example with scope
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): we can use this program as an example.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): because I know that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): where my heroes are starting is that they are. They are people of depth. They like to go deep. They don't
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): fully know how their participants are gonna have
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): just the most incredible experience in their group ever. But that is what they want, because I know where my people are starting is
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you know, they're ethical, and they wanna make sure whatever they do in their program is ethical, you know, etc., etc. That helps me claim more of my thought leadership, which isn't just like there's so many courses out there of like, create your course, you know, create a digital course, put a digital course together.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But getting really clear. I'm getting clear on. My people have issues with thought leadership. They have fears. They have right like what we looked at. Like all of those things in the beginning.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): help me with my a artic articulate, my unique thought leadership.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): which is
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): how to help horse leaders who want to go deep.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): learn how to go deep with their clients, create more results, and also through the process, go deeper with themselves and all of it right? That's a simplification. But do you see where I'm going with that? And then that becomes my particular like. That's what I get to be known for right. That becomes more of my niche
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): because of that. Are you all with me
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): on this? Does that make sense?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And then I'm not so general that it's like, what? How is she different from everybody else? What is her thought? Leadership? etc. It's the getting clear on the beginning and the end of the journey that really helps
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): with that.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): one thing I didn't mention earlier that I want to mention now. For the most part.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): no one curriculum can ever cover the in entire journey
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): of all of your thought leadership. That you want to take an ideal client through.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I know for me. If I had one curriculum. It would be 5 years long.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So we're not trying to stuff
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): all of our thought leadership into this and start the hero from the very, very, very, very, very beginning of the journey and end at the end of the program at the end. Right? Like they've achieved. Nirvana. Whatever it is, right, we're we're always taking in any given curricula or course or retreat.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Someone threw a like a big leg right? A smaller leg. If it's shorter, a bigger leg if it's longer. But it's not the entirety
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): of all of our thought leadership.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You are someone who tends to stuff. Too many things have too many things. It's probably one of the things is you're trying to cover
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): a 4 year journey in 6 weeks, or whatever it is. Right. So think about what it. What is? What is the leg of the journey of this particular program?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Maybe you're not going all the way from the east coast to the west coast right? You're. I don't know anything about geography, so I can't speak more to you. Get where I'm going with that.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay?
So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): when we look at the beginning of the journey. You wanna answer the following questions in detail. I'm gonna pop these in
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to the chat
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): whoops.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what are your heroes? Main problems
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): when they start right. This is at the beginning.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): their main obstacles, their main complaints. So where all of the places where your hero is getting stuck
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): when your hero starts the journey, what what do they already know?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And then what don't they know that they need in order to get to where they want to end up?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What don't they know
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): when they start the journey? What do they believe?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What are they scared of? What are their fears?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What have they been through
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): all of this. By the way, you have a resource sheet in your member center. All of this is written in there.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So we want to identify in as much detail as possible where the hero is starting.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And then we also wanna identify in as much detail as possible where we want them to end up by the end of our of the program.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So for the end of the journey.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): we want to think about the following questions, and I just put them into the chat. What results do we want our hero to have by the time they're done?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Maybe there's some skills or processes that we want our hero to know how to do? What are they?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What will they know and understand? By the time they are done with this journey?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What will they believe?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What fears will they be better friends? With
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what will their perspective or their worldview, or their sense of self be? By the time they're done.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what will they be able to do next?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What will be changed about them?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay, so this is gonna be.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): even if you already started this in the
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): secrets of transformational group programs. I want you to go deeper on this
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): this week. This is gonna be the work
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): of this week of getting as detailed as possible of the start. And it's by the way, and then it's gonna change. In 3 weeks from now pieces of it are gonna change. I just. I'm warning you now for some of you. It's gonna take more than a week. That is okay as well. There is room for that in this process right?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But that's really the work of this week.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): We'll be able to do that. You can do it on your own. You'll be able to do it in your get in the get it done. Session. On Friday I'll be there. But for right now
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I want you to to invite you to start to work on it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): so I'll give you, and maybe you already started working on it at the Retreat. So continue with it. I'll give you
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): 10 min
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to start to get more clearer
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): on this.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Get into the details.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): One thing to think about that can really help is probably whatever you're gonna teach in your course is something that you've learned
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): yourself for. You've been through yourself, right? So think about where you were when you started the journey.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and where you were when you ended the journey. If you've taken private clients through it, think about
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the different, all the different types of private clients you've taken through it. Where were they when they started? Where were they
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): when they ended? You'll find some unexpected things
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): looking at it that way as well.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and I'll just give an example of this if it's helpful. The first time I marketed and taught sacred depths.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): II knew people would have personal discoveries in it, but I marketed it solely, as training, you know, like transformational training. I didn't. Didn't heavily talk about the energetics pieces
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): even though they were included in sacred deaths. I didn't even realize it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): but then, after the first time, I taught sacred depths.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I saw how much each of the practitioners themselves changed personally.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And that helped me understand even more about the starting and ending points
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): of that program.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Take another minute. ish.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay? So let's pause here, and you're gonna have plenty more time to work on all this. I promise
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'd love to hear before we go any further.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'd love to hear questions that you have
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): where you might need help getting deeper into things. If you want to workshop a little bit.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what has come up and come through cause we'll all learn from all of those questions and those shares and that brainstorming. So I'd love to hear from some of you, and especially if you have not yet shared. And our our first 2 hands raised haven't get shared, Emily.
Emily Wright: So first I went into freeze mode, and all of the resistance showed up. So I just wanted to call that out so like if anybody else is feeling that I was right there. Thinking I had to come up with something totally new and it
Emily Wright: and then I just went. No, you're in a program. You're writing your program right now go back to where you're at and just really focus on those women. So
Emily Wright: yeah, I just went into complete, overwhelming pros and perfectionism. And I'm releasing that and starting, worrying that so thank you. Just naming it. Yes, I'm so. I'm so so glad you caught yourself in it. And yes, you've already done work. This isn't
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): wrecking ball start from scratch. This is taking what you've done. And then seeing where there's some more details that you hadn't noticed before. So I'm gonna just I'm gonna even nudge you a little bit towards that right now. So with the hero that you have already been working with, are you starting to see. Oh, wait! And there's this flourish and this flair that I can. I want to consider in terms of their beginning and ending.
Emily Wright: Yeah, yes, yes, and I think it's articulating that more, you know, making that that heroin, you know, seeing her really deeper instead of just generalize. So that's feeling that into yeah, feeling into that more
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): beautiful good. So this week take everything that you already know, and honor it and use it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and then get into the layers. Who, you know? Who is she really even more? What are those beliefs that she brings? What is it that she still doesn't know yet that you know. Get get more into those details.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Good. Thank you. Cecilia.
Cecilia Kremer: Thank you. So where I'm at is.
Cecilia Kremer: and I appreciate the previous question around, like making, you know, like an overview offering. And then, okay.
Cecilia Kremer: so making the, you know, like, you know, overview offering versus a deeper offering. So right now, I have, like 4 different modules, that I see 2 of them
Cecilia Kremer: that I have already delivered previously, although I feel there's work around making it more of my own rather than like repeating other people's work.
Cecilia Kremer: So my question is.
Cecilia Kremer: I mean, I'm rubbing my mind around. Okay, I'm gonna pick one. So I can go deep on that one instead of, you know, working on the force just too much. And you know, I'm just gonna it's gonna be a really hard choice. That's part of the work, I think, for me. But my question is.
Cecilia Kremer: since you have other offerings to do, you have like a larger journey that is like the container for the 4 modules. or or do I just treat them as independent, like completely independent ones? And they're all about the self like self knowledge, emotional intelligence, relational intelligence, communication.
Cecilia Kremer: So they, they, you know. So there are things that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): like intertwine. Yeah, absolutely. So. It's up to you. But I but
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what I would say is, I think it can be helpful
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to think about the overarching journey. and to see where does someone after the the the build up of the and the journey of those 4 steps.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Where does this person end up? Once they've been through all of it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I think that could be helpful, if nothing else, than for helping to position your marketing for each of the 4, and giving you a greater understanding of what the the bigger pieces wouldn't spend a ton of time on it. If you know you're gonna just pick one and go deeper. But it it might be worth a a half hour on getting clear on that.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Thank you. That's that's very clear. And I appreciate the boundary of a half hour, because I could go on forever. Yeah, yeah, that's fine. I included it, cause I get it. I get it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And for you and for everyone feel free to share in the Facebook group, too, like what comes up. And you know I can help you with it in terms of it being hard to which one you're gonna pick.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): If it's helpful, I'll just toss
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): which everyone feels most exciting to you right now.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Pick that one.
Cecilia Kremer: Thank you. Yes, I needed to hear that. Thank you
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): good. You're welcome. Heidi.
Kleidi Jeen: Hi, there! Hi!
Kleidi Jeen: The boys are finally asleep. So I can really participate.
Okay.
Kleidi Jeen: so my, I really just started to get
Kleidi Jeen: a little fear fearful and overwhelmed even just in the first question, because
Kleidi Jeen: II think I am. I'm learning a lot about myself already, just with the the Retreat a few weeks ago, and just now that I'm one of the people who tends to
Kleidi Jeen: just put out a lot of stuff, and you know I'll end up with like a 4 year Co curriculum like you said.
Kleidi Jeen: And so, even in the first question about what her main problems are what my heroes main problems are. There's already like 4 different layers, and I can speak to each one of them separately, or I could see myself layering them all in, you know, as I develop the program as a whole. But I'm
Kleidi Jeen: already starting to question myself in terms of how.
Kleidi Jeen: or maybe just bringing the question to you in terms of how should I go about this? If if it seems that that even at the start, like there's too many problems that I'm trying to to address in in the one program. Does that make sense? It makes so much sense? I'm so glad you're asking cause. I know you're not the only person wondering about it. And I hope what I'm gonna share is how I'm gonna answer satisfactory. You can tell me.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And for right now don't worry about it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Be messy. If an idea comes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): put it down on the beginning or the end. Let you have the week, and even beyond, to to let the ideas percolate and come through.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And then from there, like once you're like, Okay, I've got the ideas. I see there's 4 layers, or whatever it is. then you can say to yourself, Do these 4 things? Do they go together
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): right? Is there a way that I can put them together. and
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and if yes, leave it right, even leave it. If there's not yet a way to put it together, I would say, just leave it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But once you're done kind of take an overarching look and say. do any of these, do I? They just don't feel relevant, and I want to take them out. It might be that a whole bunch get taken out, or it might be that none.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): It's okay. When we move to the next step of our journey, which is to
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): lay out how to get
Kleidi Jeen: your hero from A to Z. Whatever it is.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): If you end up with 45 steps. Then we'll say, Okay. let's take some out right? That's what I'm saying. It's cyclical, not linear. So let the creativity come through right now. Don't hold yourself back or edit yourself.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Let it all come through. And then we're gonna I'm a big Virgo, which means I'm a big editor. What will as we go through.
Kleidi Jeen: Okay, thank you.
Kleidi Jeen: Yeah, that is helpful. And it it's encouraging and soothing, is it? Soothing? Answer? And I just wanna say that I've been working on this for a while. And these these 4 elements are strongly there, like they're rooted. You know. These are the problems, you know. So I don't see them going anywhere. But you know, yeah, it did just make me worry a bit about
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): feeling like I had too much going on. But so so yeah, you. You definitely helped me through that. Thank you very much. Okay, yeah. I'm so glad you asked. I know it's helpful, not just for you. I'd rather start with too much and whittle it down, and then and we'll look at this later on. Sometimes there's something that doesn't fit, or there isn't room for it, or whatever it is.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But it's like, Oh, I'm just. I feel so attached, and I know it's important, and whatever. And so then we get to make that a bonus in the program. So so that's just we'll look more at that. But that's just something to think about, too.
Kleidi Jeen: Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Tina.
tina ghahramani-singh: I'm just so happy to be back on
tina ghahramani-singh: your classes. Joanna.
tina ghahramani-singh: forgot to tell you that the first time. and so
tina ghahramani-singh: I have a profile of my heroin avatar, and I kind of trial ran her
tina ghahramani-singh: with a class last month, and I didn't know what the hell I was doing, but I just went for it. And I was so surprised that
tina ghahramani-singh: I got women that were
tina ghahramani-singh: postpartum perimenopausal, not mothers. I mean, I was like. I couldn't believe that there was such a different grouping of people. I really honestly thought it was just going to be a certain type of woman.
tina ghahramani-singh: So that was really awesome, and it made me feel like, Oh, you know, this is this is not just one type.
tina ghahramani-singh: What my question is, is like.
tina ghahramani-singh: When I was writing up the questions I was a little confused like, should I just keep it that way and let it just show up where I have women from different stages of their life coming to the classes cause I really was happy that I hit different age group. II mean my my class was so rich because of it. Do you know what I mean? So if it worked to have all of those different
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): ages and stages and all of that. and you really liked it, and you feel the residents. Yes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So then, what you want to do, and this is something Courtney was asking about in the chat
tina ghahramani-singh: is, what are the things that all of those women have in common?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): There must be similar fears that they have in common, some similar limiting beliefs that they have in common some similar things that they don't yet know. I don't know what the topic of your course is. I'm just gonna make it up, I can tell you. I mean, if it helps you. It was a pleasure and vitality class for enhancing libido. Okay? Great. So what do they all have in common
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): at the start of their journey, whether they're prenatal or perimenopavel, or whatever it is, you you will, and then that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): is your heroine, right? It's not a woman in this stage or that stage, but it become. You see what I'm saying? Right? Yeah, yeah, no. II get it? I couldn't. I couldn't figure out how to bridge it, but I guess you got it on the nose. Where? What do they all have in common, every one of them. They all had something. Why, they showed up right? Yes, exactly.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): It's this woman that's Perry Menopausal, or it's this kind of entrepreneur, or you know, whatever it is. But it is
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): we wanna when we go
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): programming that goes deep, we want to look at the inner to right. What are the common beliefs? What are the common fears? What is it the common world outlook, whether they're this stage or at that stage? Sometimes we might then make differences. You you to say, Okay, it's just for this and not for that. But that's not. It doesn't have to niche in that way.
tina ghahramani-singh: Okay, thank you. That was really helpful. Yeah, good. I'm glad you asked
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Caroline.
Caroline Holke: So I am. this is really helpful to kind of map out and and really identify the different
Caroline Holke: kind of key points. I
Caroline Holke: what is my question here?
Caroline Holke: I have identified that. I wanna like, I wanna do a 6 month
Caroline Holke: group program for is one that I've already figured out. They're drinking. They no longer over drink and then to be able to. What she doesn't know right now is that
Caroline Holke: she thinks that having figured out her drinking is unique to drinking, and that all those different, all those same steps that she took there is what she can use on
Caroline Holke: like her relationships. The first thing that comes up is like the fog has lifted, and it's like, Oh, shit! That's why I was drinking because Xyz and whatever. And so II see this kind of coming into play that
Caroline Holke: we're gonna talk about relationships with others, and then with the future, and then with self, and so and kind of but
Caroline Holke: chunking it out that way. So that's what
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): it's really, really exciting and based on what I know about you know your work and what it has been, you know thus far this feels like a beautiful evolution, and like extension of the next step of that bigger journey for your heroes. Really exciting.
Caroline Holke: Thank you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Sharon.
Sharon Epstein: Hi, Joanna! So good to see you. you, too. It's been a while. Yeah. So I had a question about your question, what have your people already been through for their start point?
Sharon Epstein: And since I work with Paris. I was thinking about what training programs they've already been, through, what
Sharon Epstein: type of parenting style they're using now, what experiences they had as kids that have informed them is that kind of what you're getting at? Is there anything else that you kind of category to think about? If they're not completely new parents what they may have already learned in their parenting journey. If you know, your people tend to read certain books, and they've already integrated the lessons of those books. Yeah, all of that. Okay.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Great. Thank you so much. Yeah, you're welcome. Great to see you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Khalida.
Kellita Maloof: Hi, Joanna!
Kellita Maloof: The the program that I have taught
Kellita Maloof: many times. The most recent way. It's been over the last 3 years is a three-month program.
Kellita Maloof: and
Kellita Maloof: it
Kellita Maloof: wants to. I think it wants to be part of a larger program, and sometimes people almost elect.
Kellita Maloof: They'll just come back and do it again, because it's one you can do again and again, because each time you mine a different thing. I think you have this with your curriculum, too.
Kellita Maloof: It's
Kellita Maloof: it's the same kind of person who will come through one or 2, or 3 or 6 times.
Kellita Maloof: Bye-bye.
Kellita Maloof: the the naming of the journey from time one to time, 2 to time, 3 that
Kellita Maloof: I wouldn't know it's that's very individual to, and it's the same kind of person who would come or come
Kellita Maloof: and just do it once, or do it twice, or do it 3 times, because I'm trying to think of how to put it into the larger
Kellita Maloof: I feel. I feel like I'm not explaining this. No, no, II think I do think I understand. And just tell me the one piece I wanted to. You eventually want to do a longer program, or you're just thinking
Kellita Maloof: I do. I mean, that was actually the the piece that got me excited. To come and sign on to this course is to create the longer one. But of course it's making me look at how do I? Even?
Kellita Maloof: I don't know. The school understood this. Understand the word positioning, but I think it's something to do with the positioning of the courses.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yes, we're gonna talk if we have time today. But yes, so this is great. But
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): yeah, here, here's tell me what you think about this as a homework assignment.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Would it be possible for you to get in touch with 2 or 3 of the people that have taken it at least twice
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and more, you know, maybe a variety someone that's taken it twice. But I'd love to hear the people that have even taken it more than twice, and see if they'll give you 15 min and ask them, what have they learned like if they can remember. So how are they different now? It's okay, not what they've learned. But how are they different now than when they started
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): at the very beginning? What do they know now that they didn't know from the very beginning? What do they believe about themselves, about their bodies, about right, their sensuality? If I'm remembering about your work correctly, right that, and and
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): see if you can get into some of the details. And what are they doing in their life? That is different because of all of it. Then when they started, you'll start to build up
Kellita Maloof: a more complete beginning and ending for the bigger program. People come right to mind, or people who've taken it like 5 times plus the minority.
Kellita Maloof: That's fun. Okay.
Kellita Maloof: I'll just trust that, I mean. But the stages
Kellita Maloof: I won't know so much. Do you know what I mean that in between stages I don't even know if they can be known, but I know I don't, and that may not matter, because
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you're gonna stick with your 3 months, and then you're gonna have a longer. So I don't even think it. I think it's maybe some overthinking. We'll get to the different steps and stages as we lay things out. Don't worry about that yet. Right now. We just wanna think about the beginning and the end, and also use yourself as a case. Study, too.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You know, as one of those ideal clients who have been through it many times.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I think
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): between yourself. And then, after you talk to 2 people, you're gonna you're gonna have it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): How does that feel?
Kellita Maloof: It feels good? I'm thinking of women that are already talked to. But I will talk to them again. Ask, ask just yeah. Just see if they're willing to give you the 15 min and ask them the details questions.
Kellita Maloof: Can I name one thing about what's gestating? Having the 3 month be once, or maybe even maybe twice within the year.
Kellita Maloof: which
Kellita Maloof: would give a little latitude, but maybe someone wouldn't have to do. They could do it with or without the ear. I'm trying to think of a puzzle piece that
Kellita Maloof: allows for
Kellita Maloof: allows for more flexibility of entry.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I love that. I love that idea, don't. We're not gonna like tattoo it on your body just yet. Let it just stay. But it feels like there's something interesting brewing there.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah, you're welcome.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay. I wish we had another 3 h. But we are at time for today. Your homework. You have that. The sheet in your member center continue to work on the new belief that came through pave the neural pathway on that continue to work on the beginning
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and ending. We didn't. There's gonna be a question on your sheet about scope. We didn't quite get to scope today. If you want to start to answer it. Great, if not, we'll pick it up next week.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): If you want more time like this to get it done and ask questions. Come on Friday, I will be there for the get it done. Session! I will be so happy to see you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): All worksheets for the program are located in your member center. You should have received an email from my team with Member Center login. If not, email us, and we'll make sure
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): it would be under. That's a good question, Kate. So let me quick
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): get to the member center. It's where the schedule is of the different sessions. I forget exactly what it the exact title of it, Kate.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But there, there are worksheets there under the schedule.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): If they are not there yet they will be within the next hour.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): All right, everyone. I'm sending you lots of love. I'll be around on the Facebook group, too, this week. Let me know what you need. I'm here for you.
Courtney Reed-Marsh (they/them): Thank you, Joanna. Thank you, Joanna.
Kleidi Jeen: Thank thank you so much.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So welcome.