Gonna go a little bit into looking at doozy situations.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So lots of fun and deeper places to go.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): We're gonna take a break now
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and like yesterday. Well, I am happy to hang out. If anybody has questions we'll go until 6. We'll go until 5, right, whatever it is that you all need. So let's take until 4, 45.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Take a break. If you're done for the day, I'll see you tomorrow at 11. We're shorter day, tomorrow, 11 to 3,
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and if you have anything that you want to ask me, come back, and I'll see at 4, 45
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): alright.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Enjoy your day and think about what you're taken away from today.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Alright. So we've covered so much.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And you know you might just be full and saturated, or in which case will be done for the day, or if you're here, I'm guessing you may have a question. Maybe you're just here to take in but if you have any questions, now is the time. So questions, shares.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): or what kind of support are you needing?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Maybe we are done for the day.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Kalita, go ahead.
Kellita Maloof: I mean, this is, this is really specific to my situation. But
Kellita Maloof: what do you think about? And
Kellita Maloof: there's different ways of certifying people. And one is actually with a license. And I I'm just beginning to look into that. I don't know if you have any
sorry.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah, I don't. I don't know that much about licensing, so I can't. I'm not gonna be able to speak. And if anybody else here like has information or experience with licensing, please also, let's hear
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): your wisdom.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): so what I have to say is very little.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): it comes down to. I think there's a couple of pieces with licensing. But you know the the part that I'll kind of amplify, for now is it comes down to what the business structure is.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): we haven't done licensing, even though we certify our sacred depths. Practitioners. license licensing never seemed
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): like. Why should I go through all the hoops and pay for the lawyer, and and and have all of those things, because the the way that the business I've set the business model up
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): when it comes to sacred depths is that you pay for the program. There is an extra charge. So the whole program is a practitioner training.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and then some people, not everybody, chooses to get certified. Some people they're just. They don't need that stamp of approval. They don't need the literal stamp that we give them, or to put them on our website or anything like that.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And they're just taking it. And then they're bringing it into their practice.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And then some people opt in to get certified. They pay a little bit extra there, and and that extra that they pay so that we listen to their recording. So we look at grade their tests, so that you know we provide some one on one coaching for modeling, you know, kind of all of those things, and then when they pass.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): They get the stamp. We they can say that they're a sacred depth practitioner, and sometimes they're saying it with other trainings that they've got right. And and then that's it. I don't have to
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): think about it. Okay.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): now, what you're doing is a little bit different from that.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I think. And tell me if I'm getting this right, you are teaching
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): a specific
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): copyrighted. I don't know if you're copyrighted, but a specific method.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): The method has a name.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and then the idea is that. And tell me if I'm getting strikes, I might not be. It's not that people are just gonna go out in the world, and they can use bits and pieces of it in whatever their practice is, which is more what I'm doing. But
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I think what you're doing is. And now you are certified to teach this method.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and I want you to teach this method intact with all of the pieces, and give me credit
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): when you teach this out in the world, cause that's where I think a licensing is. from what I understand is more important.
Kellita Maloof: It's a little bit of a hybrid between the 2, and that's why I think it's a little.
Kellita Maloof: Yes, someone will be
Kellita Maloof: required to learn the method. But I also would like
Kellita Maloof: the method in the way that it did, that I have
Kellita Maloof: practiced it.
Kellita Maloof: but I also want to leave it open for someone to
Kellita Maloof: well, I think I think the name piece will help. And this is why I've I've never copyrighted any name of anything, and I'm not.
Kellita Maloof: I'm almost not sure which name to copyright, because the acronym
Kellita Maloof: is the more important name to me. I don't even think it can be copyrighted. Esk from the inside out is the name of the program. Bio is the acronym, and bio just means life because someone I want someone to be able to use
Kellita Maloof: this
Kellita Maloof: if they don't want to do burlesque. But they'll still do all the same steps. We'll call it burlesque. And then, if someone wanted to take it and do it with, say, with a singing
Kellita Maloof: which is different I want. I want to allow that's part of the reason I don't want exact. It doesn't have to be. But if someone wants to do it exactly exactly the same wonderful, full blessing. Use the name, do it the same way. But if someone wants to do adaptations, and I'll just have to decide what are the what are the core things that if you don't do this, or if you do something.
Kellita Maloof: then this, it's actually not that anymore, you know. But it's not. It's not like the bar method, or you know something where we're gonna give you the colors to put on the wall like that. So so then there's 2 things right? So we're talking about.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): There's the intellectual property piece, and then there's also the the money piece.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the attitude that I take is sacred depths is now is about $7,000. Yeah, and which I probably should charge a lot more for it. But I don't.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And then.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): right now, if you opt in to get certified, it's another 600. We're probably gonna raise that a little bit because I'm losing money on that by the time I pay my team right. But regardless the idea is, I'm not. I don't. I, personally don't feel called
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to have people pay additional beyond that.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): In other words, if they were to license the so that they get the permission
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to then be using
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): this out in the world in in this licensing way. Then either they pay an additional one time fee, or every year they'd have to pay a fee to continue licensing it. That's not a bad business model at all, but it's like it, but it becomes a question of just what's right for you and what you feel called to for me. Once someone has spent 7,000, 7,500, you know. Whatever it is I feel like.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): go as long as you're not teaching it in a training program, right practitioners, and that's written into my contract right? But otherwise go be, Mary, you don't. Don't pay me anymore, but that's it's not the right way. It is just the way that feels right for me up until now, that it might change at another point.
Kellita Maloof: The the feeling I have is I wouldn't want someone to at this point to just pay for that. I would want it to be
Kellita Maloof: that there's some kind of annual. Let's get together and see what new discoveries because I see it, even though it's something I've done for a long time. It isn't. It's still an emerging thing. It's gonna be emerging as long as anyone practices it. And I would
Kellita Maloof: love the
Kellita Maloof: to know. Wow! This really worked cause even as I've practiced it, it has evolved over the years. It's not like I don't. I don't want to calcify it. I want it to be honored, respected, and as intact. But with iterations that I would explain. Like.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So yeah, so, and then I'll just share a couple of things on that. So number one, I have a program called Embody, which is only offered to graduates
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): of sacred deaths, and the idea of embody is a little bit to continue integrating what we've learned. But any new pieces, new nuances that II bring to the like. I've I'm learning to the techniques that I've already taught that. Oh, I did this in a session, and it worked well, and I did it some more times, or that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'm teaching that in embody. So it it's not like completely new techniques, but but people are paying for that. So that's one thing, there's an idea. And then the other thing is, we did this last year, and I was I loved it. I was so happy that we did it. I did.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): An alumni retreat, and it was a day long retreat, and I taught for the day, and it was free. People gave a $37 deposit. Just so. I knew they would show up, you know, and then it was I gave it back for anyone that showed up. But I taught
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): a new technique that was based on all the things that we already learned. That was a new thing that I developed, you know, appropriate to sacred depths.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And I love that. And that was great. A lot of those people ended up stepping into embody after the retreat, because they're like, oh, my gosh! I miss Joanna, this is so wonderful, and all of that. So there's there's so many different ways. I'm gonna just turn the light on. There's so many different ways that you can set it up
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): now again. I'm not a licensing expert, and I don't know if it's worthwhile to
Kellita Maloof: number one. Talk to a lawyer. That news licensing. Yeah, I put in a call to California lawyers for the arts, and they have some.
Kellita Maloof: The timing may take longer, but there they there may. There may be some that would do a lower fee
Kellita Maloof: because of my income, and that I'm an artist here, you know. So I mean, I'm just. I'm looking into it. It's not the way I naturally think. Oh, I'm gonna trademark this. I want to license it. And also
Kellita Maloof: I wanna
Kellita Maloof: has something that has a structure. I'm just looking at the whole expense. I so appreciate
Kellita Maloof: all that you shared about that. And then.
Kellita Maloof: yeah, it just helps me, and more informed to to make a choice which I haven't yet. But no, I think it's great that you're thinking about it. It might turn out that it's right for you. It might turn out that it's not. It might turn out. It's not for now, but it's really you who knows? II at some point, might license to learn more about it. But yeah, I think it's good to ask all these questions. Suzanna, staying in the chat. Could people reset for a reduced rate? Yes, people ask to do that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in sacred depth. And you know that's something Jen is asking, what is the part that I'm using money on. So we charge and this is one of the reasons. I'll probably raise it. So we charge $600
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for the people that actually want to go for certification, and
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the requirements of certification are over the 10 months they submit 2 recordings of themselves that we give feedback on. So I have to pay a team member to listen and give feedback
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): part of what you get for that $600,
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): which is an unbelievable value is, for I can't remember 4 or 5 sessions with someone on the team to model the sacred depths coaching.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): They also have to submit at the end a final test that somebody on the team
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): looks at and and passes or not. And so I'm paying my team for all of that, and I'm paying more than $600 for all of that to happen. So that's why I'm saying I'm losing money
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): on that part. So I've been considering for next round. still losing, probably losing money, but like raising it to maybe 8 or 900
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): dollars. Yeah, thanks for saying that, Kelly. I should bump it up.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So anyway, I try to keep it low, because I know people are already paying, you know, to come into the program. And also it does take a lot of effort for what we give for the actual certification.
Jennifer Rose Gens: Who else? What other questions do you have?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah, go ahead, Jen.
Jennifer Rose Gens: Notice on that I still haven't gotten a chance to read the email that Caitlin said. Those like
Jennifer Rose Gens: II reached out to her and was like, Is it too late
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): might be too late now to start certification, but I don't know she might let you do it. Caitlin is is the
Jennifer Rose Gens: she's the boss of that, so it might be a great way to hold me accountable to myself, to redo. The whole program like go through everything once it's over, cause it's kind of. There's just a lot for me all at once.
Jennifer Rose Gens: Umhm.
Jennifer Rose Gens: But yeah, II still have. Yet. It sounds like she would be willing. But I gotta look at that email.
Jennifer Rose Gens: I have a pretty vulnerable ask, but I don't.
Jennifer Rose Gens: I'm not in any like.
Jennifer Rose Gens: you know. I can wait. I was wondering if you would be willing to coach me
Jennifer Rose Gens: in some of what's occurred, because I'm wondering if some of these pieces of me, feeling like
Jennifer Rose Gens: thrown out like trash and not feeling
Jennifer Rose Gens: cared for or seen in my worthiness. It's like
Jennifer Rose Gens: actually a deeper part for me of like
Jennifer Rose Gens: showing up for my business.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah, I think on the ways that it's related for sure. And I'm I'm glad you're asking. So there's so many different directions is I'm just gonna share, which I think is okay, just that you've been. You've just been through a breakup, and it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): yeah. And just you are disrespected and not valued
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in that it just for people to have context if they're listening, or you know, with us.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): if there's a piece that you want to hone in on for today, and how it can also support in your business. Wh? What is it? What's your sense?
Jennifer Rose Gens: I'm just gonna hit record on this just in case something
comes through.
Jennifer Rose Gens: yeah, I've been
Jennifer Rose Gens: really feeling into that. And I took some notes
Jennifer Rose Gens: this morning when you are coaching Anita, Anita, Anita.
Jennifer Rose Gens: This like power over
Jennifer Rose Gens: power under
Jennifer Rose Gens: and not feeling cared for.
Jennifer Rose Gens: feeling used.
Jennifer Rose Gens: but also recognizing, like I chose, that over and over again. I leaned in so
Jennifer Rose Gens: far and like.
Jennifer Rose Gens: consider myself extremely loyal when I,
Jennifer Rose Gens: you know, feel that bond with someone.
Jennifer Rose Gens: I'm upset about the privilege
Jennifer Rose Gens: that he carries.
Jennifer Rose Gens: He's a very beautiful man inside and out, but has
Jennifer Rose Gens: total disregard. And I'm thinking, I'm like, Okay, I know I have to like.
Jennifer Rose Gens: think about this and biz like for my business, and that those terms I think there's
Jennifer Rose Gens: probably some people pleasing going on.
Jennifer Rose Gens: I really address this over the years. But you know, if it's like this apparent in my face.
Jennifer Rose Gens: Yeah, with this recent 2 and a half year, 5 and a half year relationship.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What people pleasing
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): can you see is going on in your business.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): even if it's subtle.
Jennifer Rose Gens: Yeah, I mean, I go over time. I don't.
Jennifer Rose Gens: I don't
Jennifer Rose Gens: totally mind that, because I don't wanna like I don't wanna interrupt somebody getting a breakthrough. But even just
Jennifer Rose Gens: not yesterday. But the day before
Jennifer Rose Gens: I had to like ask a client that was following the client that I was coaching like, Hey, can you show up 15 min late? And they were like, absolutely I mean there.
Jennifer Rose Gens: And they're like, of course, because you always go over time for me. So they're like, totally down. It happened like the day before as well.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): If there's anything else you're aware of in terms of people pleasing in your business.
Jennifer Rose Gens: Well, it's a bit of a side step. But
Jennifer Rose Gens: perfectionism.
I grew up highly scrutinized.
Jennifer Rose Gens: I mean, like highly scrutinized in my environment. and also like even in play.
Jennifer Rose Gens: So I would. You know, this is the which, like, I would literally have to hide in the woods. Just so I could just be.
Jennifer Rose Gens: And that's where I would be my witch. And
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): yeah, yeah.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): yeah. And
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): tell me if this is related, is it okay? If I share. Just you know, as I was listening to the
Jennifer Rose Gens: voice messages that you sent me about the situation.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): this may or may not be true, so check it out for yourself. I got this sense, Jen. that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): maybe it not this extreme, but
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): just felt like you were just willing to be a little bit of a doormat with him, and literally wrote about
Jennifer Rose Gens: cause his name is Matt Matthew.
Jennifer Rose Gens: I've literally written a poem. It's probably like in here, like, I'm not a doormat.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah, that also means you can't just like swing me open. Swing me close whenever you want. That's yeah. I felt that was like there was one part of you who so empowered, who knows what you deserve? Who knows what your boundaries are? You know who knows when someone is disrespecting you? And you're not going to take that. Yeah. Then there was another. It just sounded like there was another thing that was happening.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): This felt like the most predominant thing when I listened to your voice messages. But there was this other thing that was happening where you were just willing to be the doormat.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and to kind of. Let him walk all over you. I think part of that is the people pleasing, you know. But if this lands.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): my question
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): is cause it will make it connect to your business. But I don't wanna make it so that we don't get to the most important piece that is for with you right now.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Why was that happening?
Jennifer Rose Gens: Why were you allowing that to happen? What was in it for you? Yeah, I've taken. I'm like working with therapists. I'm doing all kinds of work on this, maybe taking a class in
Jennifer Rose Gens: looking at over control and anxiousness.
Jennifer Rose Gens: So you know, I think I didn't even realize I had anxious attachment until this avoidant, anxious attachment, style relationship. And I've written a little bit about this, and it's something that I've like coached on for years now, is proving versus owning. But I also wrote recently about like, I don't have to convince you of how amazing I am.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, good. Okay. So it's great that you're working on all those pieces. And if it feels right for you, because I do think this is related to your business to. Maybe we can. I know you've worked on this before, but maybe get deeper. Go. Let's go in on the angle of the people pleasing, and people proving and and sort of what happens to you when you keep on like going
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): going
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for that, and just kind of see what? What else wants to come up on that today?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Does that feel? Right?
Jennifer Rose Gens: Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. yeah. I think.
Jennifer Rose Gens: yeah, go ahead. I mean, the the first thing that just comes up immediately is, I want to feel truly seen.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah. And so probably this people pleasing, proving part of you. That's what it's trying to get for you, just maybe in the best way it's such. It's totally a shout out, because I'm like I worked on this for so long like, really, it's still there.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Next level. I'm sorry I'm cutting you off just so we can get to the work.
Jennifer Rose Gens: Yeah, I think. Well, I just want to add in. There's a piece of me that kind of just wants to hide, because I'm like
Jennifer Rose Gens: over it.
Jennifer Rose Gens: That's not fully true. But there's a piece.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): II get it, and you're not the only one. It's like we come to these places in our lives, these obstacles, these blocks where it's like.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): oh, my gosh, I've were! I've already worked on this, and I've worked on this, and I've worked on. I'm not great, but
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the truth is that we're always. It's just the deeper and the deeper, and the next evolution and the next cycle of it. So yes, to all the work you've already done. It's been amazing work, and it's gotten you as far as it's gotten you now. And so many amazing things have happened right. And it. This is coming up now, because you're being called it. That's all.
Jennifer Rose Gens: Yeah.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay. is it? Okay? To close your eyes? Yeah, the body a little bit.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Take a moment and connect in to
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): where in your body you're holding your people. Pleaser approver.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Didn't take too long to find it
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): good. You're doing well. And so. Jen, I wanna invite you to hold space for this one as if you would hold space for a client
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that you honored and respected and had compassion, for. We're not looking to change
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the people. Pleaser prover. We're not looking to fix this one.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'm just looking to consciously, intentionally be with this one
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): so that we could have a different relationship with it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): As you hold space in your chest, for the people approver, pleaser
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): really connect with it. hold space for it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and ask it what its purpose is
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in your life? What is its highest higher purpose in your life?
Jennifer Rose Gens: Survive?
Yeah.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): it served you so well. Right. It's helped. You survive?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Can you honor it for that?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): The people pleasing, improving, it's gotten you really far. It's you probably have needed it up until now, in a lot of ways.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So let's honor it
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and be in gratitude.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And as you continue, hold space for it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): let it know that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you're ready to have a different relationship with it, that not all of the ways that it's showing up are supporting you any more.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You appreciate it. You want it in your life, but you mean some some newer ways.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and ask it
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): how the 2 of you can step into this new way.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What does it see for that?
Jennifer Rose Gens: Oh.
Jennifer Rose Gens: still there. But there's definitely some relief.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yes.
Jennifer Rose Gens: word that came through was softening.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Hmm!
I don't
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): let your body have that really lean into that release, that release, that softening
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): is you just continue to hold space with on or for this part of you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and ask it from its highest wisdom. What does it want
Jennifer Rose Gens: from you, what would it like from you?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah.
Jennifer Rose Gens: to be seen?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah. Yeah.
Jennifer Rose Gens: The third day. So have fun. Like. yeah, yeah. Yeah. And also to like.
Jennifer Rose Gens: Show other people that
Jennifer Rose Gens: it doesn't. You don't have to be so
Jennifer Rose Gens: harsh, like.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): controlled. And huh! So you want such amazing things for you right?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So much
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): ask it what it wants from you. What does it need to know from you? Or what would it like for you to do so that it can be more comfortable in this new, softer way.
Jennifer Rose Gens: There's like a bunch of different things coming through. So I want to make sure I'm
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): yeah. Yeah. Your brain will be a little involved. But yes, good call really feel into it. Usually the simple, less words are the truest
Jennifer Rose Gens: effortless
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): hmm
Jennifer Rose Gens: flow.
Jennifer Rose Gens: But
Jennifer Rose Gens: B, which false expression
Jennifer Rose Gens: on, yeah, it's like that magic.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah.
Jennifer Rose Gens: yeah, yeah.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What does I want you to know about Matt?
Jennifer Rose Gens: He loves me in his way.
Jennifer Rose Gens: The first was discussed, but then the second is. it's not his fault.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Continue to connect with that that this part of you, and it's highest wisdom.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and ask it where your power in that is what power do you have in all of that?
Jennifer Rose Gens: Yeah. readiness? He's not ready, and it's not.
Jennifer Rose Gens: It's not mine to teach him anymore.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah, it's not yours to teach him. Even if he does love you right.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): it's not yours to teach him.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Can you let that truth drop in. Yeah, it's really hard, I know. I know new, you know, and it is hard cause it is a letting go, and it is a not being seen by him right unresolved, like.
Jennifer Rose Gens: yeah, so little accountability. And
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): stay with your stay with your body. Right?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): II hear you. It's hard and and let it drop in. Anyway.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): it is not your job.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): In fact, the more you make it your job the less seen you're gonna feel.
Jennifer Rose Gens: Yeah, this part of me is like justice. Yes, yeah, good. So so we'll we'll we'll go there as the last piece. So wonderful.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What would it like you to do
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to express this justice in a way that's gonna be really aligned
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for you.
Jennifer Rose Gens: It wants me to teach men that are willing to learn.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): See if you can feel some of the joy in the satisfaction in, in the holding that space for men and teaching the men who are ready. You're doing it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Feel the justice in that.
Jennifer Rose Gens: yeah, there's still this like, really, it's almost like the sword is going like through
Jennifer Rose Gens: my channel, just like this sword. And it's like going like through my heart and through my
Jennifer Rose Gens: soulcy in my throat. And it stuck.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah, yeah. So we may not get fully there just because of time today. But let's spend another minute. Ask the sword.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What is it trying to let you know what's what's the higher, the bigger truth here that it's trying to communicate to you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Why is it getting trying to get your attention?
Jennifer Rose Gens: It's saying, you're enough. Also enough like, that's enough.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): like, I'm not doing it anymore. Yeah, good. So let that drop in. Feel that absorb that truth into your body. You're enough, nothing else to do here with him
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and watch. Watch how the sword wants to shift. Now that you're taking that truth in.
Jennifer Rose Gens: Sorry.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah. yeah.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what are you noticing? Even if it's just subtle.
Jennifer Rose Gens: be like a victim.
Jennifer Rose Gens: and I feel like I'm stepping into womanhood by
Jennifer Rose Gens: like
Jennifer Rose Gens: the little girl's been hurt, and
Jennifer Rose Gens: I have to accept that.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What is the woman? And you want to tell the little girl
Jennifer Rose Gens: I got you.
Jennifer Rose Gens: We get to make choices. You don't have to be in so much pain.
Jennifer Rose Gens: It gets to be way. More fun.
Yeah.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Can you let the little girl feel that?
Jennifer Rose Gens: Yeah, she just gave her the sword.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): It's let your little girl feel the power of that sort.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Getting chills. Yes. Feel the power of that sword. You get to have that right. That is your birthright.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and to set
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): clear boundaries with that sword in the ground.
Jennifer Rose Gens: I just had a really beautiful vision. Can it share it that
Jennifer Rose Gens: the
Jennifer Rose Gens: bully kids in the neighborhood just like saw my sword, and they were like, Wow! That's so cool.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): That's right.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Feel that. Feel into all of that. Know that you you get to. Nobody can take that sword away from you. That is your one of your sacred tools that you get to use when you need it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah, they're like, teach me how to get my sword. Love it, I love it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Good. Take one more moment.
Jennifer Rose Gens: and then you can open your eyes when you're ready.
Jennifer Rose Gens: Yeah, it's like I don't have to fight
Jennifer Rose Gens: so hard or by anymore, or like II got me. I'm safe. I had to fight
Jennifer Rose Gens: so hard growing up.
Jennifer Rose Gens: Yeah, at least that's what it felt like, even with the privilege that I have. So it's it's
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah. The sword isn't for fighting. The sword is for cutting through the shit and setting boundaries.
Jennifer Rose Gens: And I kept choosing. choosing it because of
Jennifer Rose Gens: yeah, I would just keep going to acceptance and forgiveness and unconditional love, and then I'd be right back in it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): No, but that's really. That's the sword, is. This is the line in the sand right here, cutting through the ship, and then this is my boundary. Right?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay. We were there a lot of different pieces and images, and we kind of moved pretty quickly a little bit, just because of time now. But
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): tell me
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): one top takeaway
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): from all of this and one thing outer action you want to do next.
Jennifer Rose Gens: Oops super badass
like
Jennifer Rose Gens: it. Just yeah.
Jennifer Rose Gens: there is a little bit of guilt, or maybe like a little bit of disbelief like, really like out of after everything I've been through. I
Jennifer Rose Gens: yeah, whatever I mean, it's all good to trust in God's process.
Yeah.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So when, if and when Matt comes to you and is like whatever he's gonna say.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I want you to feel this word in your hand again, not to prick him.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): but to set whatever the appropriate boundary is, and how you want to spend your time and energy in there. Okay?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And then, when you notice that your people pleasing and your client sessions and going longer, I want you to feel.
Jennifer Rose Gens: Yeah, okay.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): okay, good. Yeah. You're welcome. Thank you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Hmm.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): fever.
Deva Munay: I was just reflecting on this course. I'm teaching over Valentine's the nourishing. It's both titled nourishing the heart through sound wonder and movement, and then I've kind of switched it to nourishing your heart. But I think the main question that when I'm putting things together is, I feel like
Deva Munay: half of the people coming are really in this open-hearted, and I recognize, too, how often I say, bring an open heart, but there's a good chance that a lot of the people might be grieving and going through brokenheartedness at the same time, and I was reflecting on how you were sharing like if you're not fully in the grief, people aren't gonna feel it, and how to
Deva Munay: make room for the brokenhearted and the open-hearted, and the full nourishment of the heart, so that everyone fills in that shared power, that they have space to be who they are, and that I can be authentic with each of them.
Deva Munay: Umhm.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): yeah, I have this question. So really comes back to so much of what we've already learned. So one is with words
Deva Munay: in the beginning, when you're speaking and activating inspiration and speaking about results. And who this is for
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you're gonna speak to that full spectrum. You're gonna be inclusive.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): right? This is for you and your heart. If you're coming with an open heart and already joyful and exuberant.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you know. And also this is for you. And I really wanna honor
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): if you are coming brokenhearted, right? If there's grief right? So the first is to speak to it.
Deva Munay: be inclusive.
Deva Munay: Okay? And then
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the next kind of natural step from what we were looking at this morning with the energy is to have the ability to bring in different types of archetypal energies in different moments
Deva Munay: so when you're speaking to the joy and the exuberance.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you're going to bring that energy as you speak to it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah, when you're speaking to the grief. It's not like you're going to fall crying. But you're maybe gonna get quieter right? You're gonna lean in
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): a little bit more. You're you're gonna
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): bring and honor a little bit of that energy
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): as well right
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and so just by doing that in the beginning.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): it's already gonna make space for everyone. And then, as you look at specific exercises or questions, if it you know for certain ones. It's gonna be important to say, if you're right now in an open hearted place, you might blah blah blah blah blah blah! If you are right now in a more of a greeting place for this question, you might think about blah blah, blah, blah blah right, whatever whatever our exercise or whatever it is. So it's sometimes about just then giving examples for different people in the room as well.
Deva Munay: Okay, that's super helpful. Yeah, thank you. Great question.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Kelly.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): Okay. First. Can I ask you a logistical thing? And I thought you were going to put this in the zoom thing whenever we talk you put our hands down. How do you do that?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I go to your name
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and then wait. Raise your hand so I can tell you. Click.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): don't bother her. She's gonna put it in like
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): owner of the group, or whatever, right now, and I'm going to your name, and I'm kind of putting my my pointer on it. I have an option to lower hand, and I just click lower hand.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): That's so cool. Okay, thank you. That's so good to know. So my question is related to feeling into the joy in fire places, and recognizing I have the sales page and working on getting it put into pretty form
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): like.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): and and then it also sparked because one of the things in the other part of this email that my former client sent me to day. She was like, and I'm a rebel, and I I've been realizing
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): and then another client recently who did one of my Vip days kept talking about being a disruptor. I'm like, I think I'm speaking to the disruptors. I've been thinking that.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): And then she said, I'm a rebel, and she was explaining more about why, and I'm one wondering about putting that language in. It's not just conscious. It's like there's something about the disruptive nature of it that gets to the fire.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): But I'm also thinking about. Do I plug in another piece around joy like it's right on the first page in parentheses, which I think was actually your suggestion. Which is about them stepping into joy. But
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): like, how much am I reworking? And then, of course, my busy brain an hour ago was like, well, maybe I should just start a light touch group and like, have that going simultaneous to the other thing, Kelly. One thing I do know. Yes, one thing at a time. Simplify. Don't give yourself more work. Yeah, all the things right? So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): if you feel like you really need to, and it doesn't feel like extra work.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): add the word disruptor or rebel.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): In one or 2 places in the sales page. Do not take a wrecking ball. Do not add whole other big section. See if there's just where can you drop it in?
And then in the program itself start to play to speak to those idea. This, you know those people. This idea of disruption, I mean, everything that you're doing in the program is your disruptor, Kelly. So II wouldn't.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Don't put a lot of extra effort into it right now, if there's just little touches. And then, as you move through the program, you're gonna see
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): more as it goes. Think about that lens, you know, as you prepare for each class, and where and when it's appropriate. But your whole stick right now. One of your whole sticks right now is less right. You have
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): put out too much energy. This needs to happen in an easy way. We I don't want you to like go back and do more on this. You've done so much, and it's be it's beautiful. What you've created.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): Thank you. Okay. And the
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): the joy piece I was kind of I mean, I put in the rebel and disruptor piece, but I don't need to add in another module about joy.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Now bring it with your energy
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and then see what wants to happen as you move through. I think you're still exploring. I don't think you're ready to create a module on it. I think I want you to be like, I want you to be an exploration of this inside of yourself and
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): play with it. Bring it to your people.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and then see where it wants to go. But don't add another. I don't think I mean unless you want to, but I don't think you should add another module.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): Alright. I just wanna make sure I didn't feel missing and too heavy.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): No, no, no, just infuse the energy right. Any of the pieces in your program that you've already created can be infused with joy in moments. I think that's more important than a a teaching. Joy almost feels like it's gonna bring it back down. I want you to just be in the joy.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): Great. Thank you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah. Good.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Anyone else need anything.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Alright.
Kellita Maloof: I will trust that we are complete for today. Just when is the little
Kellita Maloof: shadow money? It's just a little tiny workshop, because I can't find I couldn't find the
Kellita Maloof: how to register.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Oh, I don't know that I'll be able to find that. But I'll yeah, I'll get it to you. Yeah,
Kellita Maloof: I don't know what time it was. I knew II knew about it, and then I couldn't. I was looking around
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for the unseen.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Thank you. Inbal can send it. Thank you
Kellita Maloof: alright, everyone sending along.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Thank you. Aye.
Kelly Lubeck (she/her): thank you.