00:00:51 Joli Knott: Hi everyone! 00:03:11 Barbara Daughter: Happy Summer Solstice (to us in the North) and Winter Solstice (if there's anyone in the South) 00:03:29 Aiyana McKenzie: thank you, Barbara! I was about to type the same message 🙂 00:04:01 Barbara Daughter: <3 Aiyana 00:04:09 Annelise Pesa: yay, how beautiful 00:05:59 Barbara Daughter: I love that idea @Joanna 00:07:08 Angela Stringhini: thank you Deva this is beautiful offering! 00:07:48 Joli Knott: How gorgeous! 00:11:39 Joli Knott: Thank you for that! 00:11:46 Brenda: Thank you Deva! 00:11:48 Barbara Daughter: that was beautiful Deva, thank you! 00:11:50 Alta: Thank you!! 00:11:51 Kendra Woods: Thank you! That was beautiful! 00:12:00 Nell Reid: Thank you Deva! 00:12:04 Aiyana McKenzie: Thank you, Deva <3 Beautiful 00:12:25 Wendy: Thank you Deva. That was so beautiful! I love the energy of sound. 00:12:29 Sophie Jane Hardy: my inner nerd is so excited for today 🤓 00:12:31 Annelise Pesa: so beautiful Deva thank you 00:12:33 Kelly Lubeck (she/her): Deva, thank you. What a beautiful gift. 00:12:38 Vlada Tomova: <3 it, Deva, thank you! 00:12:58 Aiyana McKenzie: That is adorable, Sophie 00:13:00 Melissa K: Loved those tones 🎵 00:21:26 Brenda: What is a voxer? 00:22:16 Alta: I also like Marco Polo for visual clients 00:24:50 Joli Knott: Haven't heard of that before--thanks @Alta! 00:25:42 Barbara Daughter: @Alta - what is Marco Polo? 00:26:24 Joli Knott: It's like hospitality--it's important to anticipate as much as possible! 00:26:24 Brenda: what's coming together is that I have a lot of work ahead of me 00:26:48 Layne Mosler: Yes, Brenda! Me, too. 00:26:52 Barbara Daughter: yes me too, @ Brenda!!! 00:26:53 Nell Reid: Me three! 00:27:01 AJ Frenzel: This part is my downfall. This is where I don't hold my end of the bargain. 00:27:09 AJ Frenzel: It makes me so sad. 00:27:57 Aiyana McKenzie: Barbara, Marco Polo is a free app and you can leave a video voice message back and forth with others who have the app 00:29:06 Barbara Daughter: AJ - I find this very difficult even to imagine it. I wonder if there's a neurodiverse reaction to managing this. 00:29:11 Layne Mosler: Thank you, Carmen, for sharing your experience and reinforcing how important all this stuff is. It really helps. 00:29:12 Alta: Thanks Aiyana! 00:31:30 AJ Frenzel: Barbara, it does feel like a brain motivation/perfection/feeling less than/ fearing rejection to the communication 00:32:08 Aiyana McKenzie: That’s interesting, Barbara. Many years ago, with both the massage practice I had and then the counseling/coaching business, I had all the contacts and agreements and it made me feels safe. Now, after a major brain injury, looking at doing this feels overwhelming and I can't imagine getting it all together. I need direct help to create systems now. 00:36:06 Kelly Lubeck (she/her): Yes to this, Annelise. The contract is so important, and it's just one thing - and then operationalizing those details and enforcement is another… 00:36:10 Barbara Daughter: This is so "stepping up to the plate!” So helpful to have these in-depth discussions 00:39:17 Annelise Pesa: @Kelly indeed, when working for a big corporation as a lawyer was much easier to enforce , as a coach it feels almost unethical and i know it s not-. some work to be done here for me 00:40:57 Kelly Lubeck (she/her): Yes, Annelise, this is an area of growth for me, too. I love creating the contracts and such, and want it to just magically be enforced ;). 00:42:59 Brenda: Thank you so much! that is hugely helpful! 00:43:12 Joli Knott: This is HUGE—and helps so much with the overwhelm--THANK YOU, Joanna 🙂 00:45:11 Annelise Pesa: i so much agree @Joanna ! 00:47:12 Barbara Daughter: that last point … frees up me & my client to do the work ... that's so important & a great motivation! 00:47:19 Brenda: Enforcing boundaries is my struggle 00:47:45 Alta: I have a client who likes to text A LOT and I don't feel fully compensated for my time. 00:47:53 Sophie Jane Hardy: I’m good at setting boundaries, but when people get angry I’ll often overstep 00:47:56 Sarah Van Hoy: I got a big lesson this today … I let me empathy erode my boundaries sometimes. 00:48:05 Kelly Lubeck (she/her): I struggle with following up on late payments and on going over time with sessions 00:48:11 Angela Stringhini: I struggle the same, people contacting all the time 00:48:28 Carmen Miranda: when I am struggling financially I notice I can be more likely to not hold my boundaries with clients more because I feel afraid they wont work with me and I'll lose that income. 00:48:34 Aiyana McKenzie: I struggle with going over-time and giving people discounts 00:48:36 Randa Sultan: I struggle with ending sessions at the set 60 or 90 minutes... I usually end up going over or saying "well... it's approximately 60 min..." etc... 00:48:48 Sidsel Nelund (Si-sel - she/her): coercive energies are difficult for me 00:48:52 Joli Knott: Same here @Carmen! 00:48:55 Alta: Kelly, that happens to me too with the same client 00:49:07 Sophie Jane Hardy: I do that almost every session Randa! 00:49:09 Kelly Lubeck (she/her): I also struggle with last minute reschedules - trying to be empathetic, but once it's more than once, I feel impatient but don't enforce the lost session rule… 00:49:17 Randa Sultan: @carmen that is so true for me too! 00:49:21 AJ Frenzel: I have one client who ask to reschedule a lot. It's ok with me because FLEXIBILITY is my top strength. 00:49:32 Angela Stringhini: this session is normalising all I feel 00:49:36 Angela Stringhini: thank you 00:49:38 Joli Knott: @Randa—ending session on time is my struggle, too! 00:50:11 Melissa K: I struggle when people test or push my boundaries that I have stated/requested - it ends up feeling like a battle of wills or lost energy trying to remind them of what you asked 00:50:19 AJ Frenzel: I also go over time - and underestimate the time the work really needs. (this feels like my time-blindness. 00:50:31 Deva Munay: ❤️✨⭐️ -- I'm loving this -- it feels much more approachable than the recorded call. thank you. 00:51:23 Iamlove: I can not wait till im ready to take clients and find out what I will struggle with… 00:52:37 Angela Stringhini: this is brilliant , thank you Joanna 00:52:51 Kelly Lubeck (she/her): Wow, Joanna, this is REALLY helpful. I need to do this very much! 00:52:51 Randa Sultan: haha I need your words Joanna! 00:54:40 Joli Knott: Resentment is a sign that we have not executed a boundary…. 00:55:21 Alta: I have been having that emotion rising and I think it's time I give it the attention needed 00:55:28 Layne Mosler: WOW, Joli, yes. 00:55:58 Randa Sultan: @joli so true... this completely makes sense 00:56:24 Kelly Lubeck (she/her): Being on the other end of this, I have appreciated SO much when coaches or healing practitioners are clear in their boundaries with me around time, money, etc. It makes me feel safer and clear! 00:56:58 Annelise Pesa: @Kelly absolutely agree. i respect them more and trust them more. 00:57:01 Joli Knott: 💯@Kelly—it helps me feel like I'm not abusing the trust in the relationship.... 00:57:06 Kelly Lubeck (she/her): Yes to that, Joli… 00:57:22 Barbara Daughter: yes I feel this too Vlada 00:57:42 Aiyana McKenzie: @Kelly Me too 00:59:12 AJ Frenzel: @VLADA - oh my, yes. 🥲I had realized that with some previous coaching and haven’t integrated the learning for myself. 00:59:35 Aiyana McKenzie: I have been taking "baby steps" in setting and executing boundaries with family members that I still have to deal with. It is still hard for me, but it feels so much better to take little steps. 01:03:42 Angela Stringhini: i love this do a blessing before 01:04:20 Aiyana McKenzie: @ Kelly, I also love that you do a blessings before sending the contracts. I am adopting that! 01:06:23 Kelly Lubeck (she/her): Yes, Joli, I've had that as well with loved ones, and I generally offer big savings for friends and family. But sometimes it doesn't feel aligned to do it 01:06:38 Angela Stringhini: you charge mor 01:06:55 Kelly Lubeck (she/her): @Aiyana, yes, please adopt it - I love doing my Agreement blessings! 🙂 01:07:20 Kelly Lubeck (she/her): Yes, @Angela, I love doing the blessing before 01:09:13 Angela Stringhini: So nice Joanna, bring this idea of wearing the hat in such a joyful way, and setting a beautiful container with a closed person… 01:09:24 Vlada Tomova: @Barbara thank you for sharing the feeling 01:10:10 Joli Knott: @Kelly💙 01:11:17 Angela Stringhini: @ Melissa I have the same issue with \whatsapp 01:11:37 Kendra Woods: Thank you Joanna! Thank you all for your wonderful shares. I have to run and do some prep. ❤️ 01:12:08 Joli Knott: @Melissa—great question—I often come up against similar issues.... 01:12:42 Barbara Daughter: thanks for asking this question @Melissa ... this is another area where setting boundaries is so important 01:13:29 Vlada Tomova: @AJ and @Ayana thank you so much for sharing the feelings as well! baby steps are a great take away, and self-loving ones :) 01:15:25 Angela Stringhini: Joanna thank you so much for sharing this loving way of saying the boundaries, you have no idea the weight taken from my back. It was a huge thing for me to put into words. Gratitude 01:16:11 Annelise Pesa: it is amazing how we all seem to have similar issues with boundaries… 01:18:41 Kelly Lubeck (she/her): Yes, Annelise, it's comforting to see we aren't alone in these challenges and issues. Really helpful and normalizing, and empowering to see what's possible! 01:20:10 Annelise Pesa: @Kelly indeed ❤️ 01:21:19 Barbara Daughter: @Kelly -- is so agree 01:21:50 Barbara Daughter: Have to head out a few minutes early ... thanks for another deeply helpful session @Joanna & fellow Sacred Depth-ers 01:22:03 Randa Sultan: the anger part - wow! definitely afraid of conflict... and that with a client I should never "piss them off" or they will leave 01:23:08 Angela Stringhini: I never thought that we could be writing strategies and policies and how it could be connected to self experience with what anger means… how enlightening …thank you 01:23:10 Melissa K: That motivation of 'giving to get' is so sneaky - we may not even realize it 01:23:15 Kelly Lubeck (she/her): I am a chronic overgiver for sure! 01:23:29 Alta: A lot! I definitely over give and I think it comes from a place of fear of failure somehow. I'm pretty good at setting boundaries outside of sessions. So I'm looking forward to being more aware of it next time so that I can reflect on that. 01:24:22 Brenda: So sorry for your loss Aiyana. My heart is with you. 01:25:04 Joli Knott: @Aiyana 💜 01:25:11 Annelise Pesa: My thoughts are with you and your family Aiyana. sending love ❤️ 01:25:17 Wendy: Sending you lots of love and strength, Aiyana. <3 01:25:49 Vlada Tomova: Ayana <3 all my heart to you! 01:26:22 Kelly Lubeck (she/her): So much love to you, Aiyana. So sorry for the loss of your mama - and what a gift to have these conversations with your mother before she passed. 01:26:54 Iamlove: So sorry to hear Aiyana! Sending love and strength❤️ 01:27:38 Aiyana McKenzie: thank you for your love and blessings. I appreciate it. it's been and continues to be a very big journey 01:28:38 Kelly Lubeck (she/her): This has been such a powerful class, Joanna - thank you. 01:29:36 Aiyana McKenzie: Thank you, Joanna. Love and blessings to everyone here 01:32:19 Angela Stringhini: INCREDIBLE! Thank you so much! 01:32:38 Michelyn.com (MIKE-uh-lin): Great call! 01:32:40 Joli Knott: As always—loved our session today--many thanks to Joanna and everyone today! 01:32:44 Alta: Thank you!!!