00:13:27 Nina Wöhlk: What was the question? Sorry, my wifi failed for a minute :/ 00:14:40 Melody Noll: What is feeling important so far? What is resonating? Or how is this relating to your experience of this? 00:15:01 Nina Wöhlk: Thank you Melody <3 00:16:58 Nina Wöhlk: In setting up workshops I feel good in enrolment and preparation but listening to you im wondering if i it could be important to think about closing emails also.. - to bring in evaluering, reflections etc.. 00:18:28 Anita Puksic (anitapuksic.com): Yes, I so loved how you set the container in the first session 00:27:30 Nicole Villegas: The agreement on how to end the relationship sounds really helpful. It's something I've missed before. 00:28:26 Nicole Villegas: thank you 00:31:28 Julie Greenberg: How would you handle a situation when a client is perhaps resistant to filing out the pre-call form? 00:32:06 Sarah MacKay Lynch: @Joanna - I have a pre-call form, and/but my clients seem resistant to it. Do you have suggestions for phrasing? 00:32:44 Nicole Villegas: so true! 00:33:10 Julie Greenberg: It’s information, right? That they don’t want to use/submit the form. 00:33:18 Natalie Jobity, The Unveiled Way: Most of my clients don't fill out the prep form after the first couple of times 🙂. 00:33:39 Anita Puksic (anitapuksic.com): I personally feel resistant to having those forms, like it is an extra homework. 00:35:13 Julie Greenberg: @Anita, I notice I have this resistance as well, which is why I brought this question forward. So, hearing Joanna’s examples and explanations for why/how these forms are helpful for the practitioner and the success of the container is shifting my own views around it. 00:35:27 Natalie Jobity, The Unveiled Way: I have a question about taking notes during sessions? 00:37:05 Anita Puksic (anitapuksic.com): @Julie I will check with clients if they want them, because it could really be useful 00:38:14 Julie Greenberg: @Anita, I think, like Joanna is explaining now, it seems worthwhile to offer them that choice and to meet them where they are. 00:38:44 Anita Puksic (anitapuksic.com): yep. thanks for the conversation, resistance shifted <3 00:38:52 Nicole Villegas: echo/note: this is the truth of the situation. "one of the purposes of the pre call form is for us to use our session time as efficiently as possible and for you to gett the most out of this container an dour work together. if you don't fill out the form...it might be that we spend a good part of the session catching up because I could've read it in the pre-call form.." offer choice always. ask "so what would be better? is there one question..? what would really work for you here?" 00:39:07 Lisa Avnet: As a coachee, I've found the pre-call forms a way to keep the material I'm working alive in between calls - life is so hectic - and also to have a log of my progress. I kept them in a notebook and reviewed them once in a while and it was amazing to see the shifts from that perspective. 00:40:01 Anita Puksic (anitapuksic.com): thank you Nicole for echo 00:41:20 Nicole Villegas: 💜 00:44:20 Nicole Villegas: time - maintaining the container of our sessions and the rescheduling part 00:44:43 Lauren Piro (she/her): Sometimes I struggle with not actually naming specifically the thing that I see or feel may be going on.. more talking around it. 00:44:53 Natalie Jobity, The Unveiled Way: Me going over time. But I am OK with that in the moment? 00:44:56 Gaia: yes, for me too, the respect of our time 00:44:57 Lisa Farr: Enforcing boundaries when they transgress if it feels like I have to be strict or uncaring 00:45:07 Natalie Jobity, The Unveiled Way: ?? 00:45:08 Jennifer Kittredge: Failed payments and still having an appointment. I have someone from private practice that still owes me $. 😬 00:45:12 Angie: Personally - With people I want to please - or not upset Workwise - financial asks - honoring my worth; and flexibility on time and giving too much 00:45:22 Sarah MacKay Lynch: My biggest struggle is still with myself –overgiving. 00:45:28 Nikki Finucan: Keeping to time with my practice clients. But with my corporate clients I offer up more and more and more all the time which impacts me quite extensively and creates a sense of accountability for me 00:45:54 Anita Puksic (anitapuksic.com): Time - with some clients is always overtime, but then with others is always within the timeframe 00:46:07 Julie Greenberg: I tend to over give and say yes more readily and quickly than I genuinely want to because I want to be liked. 00:47:18 Lisa Avnet: asking long term clients to pay my new rates 00:48:27 Nina Wöhlk: Giving too much when i have feel the struggle / overload of the individual. 00:56:09 Courtney Reed-Marsh (they/them): Dang, Joanna, calling me out! 00:56:43 Julie Greenberg: @Courtney, you are not alone ☺️ 00:57:47 Nicole Villegas: yes, truly 00:58:40 Julie Greenberg: I just listened to an awesome podcast yesterday/earlier today in which this dynamic was unpacked quite thoroughly. It was really illuminating. 00:59:26 Carmen Guerrero she/her: What was it Julie? 01:00:04 Julie Greenberg: It was the most current episode of The Rich Roll Podcast. It was also 3.5 hours long. 01:00:11 Lauren Piro (she/her): As the child of an over giver to the extreme, I can share just how disempowering it feels. 01:00:18 Michelle Marlahan: Love the RR pod! 01:01:03 Michelle Marlahan: I once had a coach tell me my overgiving/ overdelivering was manipulative. 01:02:07 Nina Wöhlk: I feel it on the other end with a colleague controlling my part of our shared work in the name of wanted it be the best possible and it is felt so restraining and untrustworthy 01:02:25 Julie Greenberg: @Carmen, here’s the link: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-rich-roll-podcast/id582272991?i=1000586920278 01:05:20 Julie Greenberg: I find it so amazing how creating awareness really serves to shine a light on parts of my experience I hadn’t been seeing, but suddenly the recognition of certain patterns or dynamics feels glaringly apparent. 01:05:28 Courtney Reed-Marsh (they/them): Yes, this. I always assume that we’re over time because of my own executive function/time management challenges. 01:08:16 Lauren Piro (she/her): This one shows up more in my family relationships, not so much with clients. 01:08:21 Anita Puksic (anitapuksic.com): Omg, I totally had situation where the fear of my own anger showed up as overgiving 01:08:50 Anita Puksic (anitapuksic.com): wow, thank you for explaining it for me 01:11:16 Lisa Farr: A beautiful expression of Warrior energy - also a willingness to confront situations, not shy away 01:11:45 Julie Greenberg: I am thinking of a number of experiences and situations over the past several years where I’ve felt really proud of my courage, even if I was shaking, in confronting people when I’ve felt my boundaries had been compromised or disrespected. 01:13:46 Nina Wöhlk: I often come back to the freedom and agency that boundaries could / would give to me and the ppl I interact with, and i also see how challenging it is to hold that accountability for myself (and others) in the situations 01:16:09 Gaia: @ Natalie, great onservation 01:16:41 Anita Puksic (anitapuksic.com): Julie, proud with you! 01:17:16 Nina Wöhlk: - Also, that it is easier to uphold bundaries to the ppl in close and continuous relationship (family) and more difficult when it is people I “loose contact” with and where i can’t expect people to come back to me. 01:22:41 Anita Puksic (anitapuksic.com): Prompt: "Just because we have a long standing relationship and an intimate one, doesn't mean I have to give away my time." 01:22:57 Gaia: thanks @Anita 01:23:07 Nicole Villegas: thank you anita 01:25:42 Julie Greenberg: @Carmen, thank you for sharing with us so vulnerably. 01:27:47 Angie: Carmen - so beautiful to witness you. Sending love. 01:28:18 Carmen Guerrero she/her: Thank you all!!! 01:29:31 Nicole Villegas: thank you for everything joanna 01:29:35 Doris Navarro (she/her): The boundaries piece was really important for me. Thank you! 01:29:49 Nina Wöhlk: Bundary settings importance in the little things. Lovely call and to listening to you all <3 01:30:05 Angie: The Warrior archetype was amazing for me - and I am forever challenged to continue working on my boundaries. 01:30:16 Lisa Avnet: boundary piece and the overgiving, both important 01:30:27 Julianna (Anna): Taking away that there are no "little" things like logistics. Everything is connected and part of the work 01:30:29 Nikki Finucan: I am taking away the prompt to do some morning pages about the boundaries piece as I can see all of them. I want to be playful and explore the Warrior Woman archetype. 01:30:29 Natalie Jobity, The Unveiled Way: TA: How I can honor my boundaries with time and understanding that giving more time isn't necessarly valuable to my client and does not honor my agreement with them 01:30:35 Jana Mariana: Challenges with boundaries r/t feeling of not being good enough 01:31:15 Melody Noll: Over-giving as an expression of unconscious or repressed anger. 01:31:26 Anita Puksic (anitapuksic.com): What am I taking away, is how much we can give through clear boundaries. To ourselves and to clients. 01:32:19 Sarah MacKay Lynch: Take Away: I’m in a growth mindset with this content (systems and protocols). I’m feeling confident in a lot of areas—and want to now journal the parts that aren’t quite as healthy. Like Kelsey, I will sometimes promise something at the end of the session!! I love the post-it idea!! 01:33:21 Julie Greenberg: Such a powerful call today. I have to hop off. Thank you all so much. And Happy Thanksgiving to those of you who will celebrate ❤️ 01:34:25 Anita Puksic (anitapuksic.com): Thank you all!