00:00:42 Aiyana Lynnet McKenzie: Love your hair, Joanna! 00:02:12 Aiyana Lynnet McKenzie: Makeda, thank you for this! And you are stunningly beautiful too! 00:02:24 Makeda Pennycooke (she/her): Ahh thank you Aiyana 00:07:50 Aiyana Lynnet McKenzie: I’m off video because we’re traveling but I’m fully here and taking notes. 00:11:06 Aiyana Lynnet McKenzie: “True transformation happens in the place of discomfort. Just ask the caterpillar.” Makeda 00:13:10 Nina Wöhlk: Yes! 00:13:10 Julie Greenberg: yes. we can see. 00:13:16 Nicole Villegas: yes 00:13:51 Inbal Sansani (she/her): It's a spectrum that increases in intensity. 00:19:11 Julie Greenberg: I see a chart illustrating the progression from indifference and normalisation around racism to violence and ultimately genocide. And with normalisation being dominant and representing the position of the masses there is implied an inherent indifference which in my mind compounds the resulting violence and destruction of these patterns especially because the in between stages reflect the grey areas or ambiguity around discussing these topics which also lends to the patterns and conditioning being perpetuated. 00:20:08 Joli Knott: So well said @Julie 00:22:05 Aiyana Lynnet McKenzie: That pyramid chart is so well done. I desire this to be in all our education systems 00:25:17 Aiyana Lynnet McKenzie: I don’t know what’s going to happen. I’m was thinking the man knocking on the door is going to give people food. I felt very tense every time I saw the store owner. It reminded me of scenes in movies that lead up to robbery and violence. 00:26:14 Barbara Daughter: yes the music is creating tension, at least in me 00:26:35 Sidsel - iPhone: Also me 00:26:37 Carly Jo Bell: I was surprised to notice some fear/anxiety in my system, even though my logical brain doesn't "agree" with me experiencing that because I know that it's related to an internal bias. Wondering what amount of that is related to the building music, and what amount is a true bias inside of me. 00:34:01 Natalie Jobity, The Unveiled Way: relief 00:34:04 Brenda: Relief that there is a happy ending 00:34:07 Carly Jo Bell: Big smiles! 00:34:14 Aiyana Lynnet McKenzie: I feel joy! 00:34:19 Melissa K: Releif 00:34:20 Gaia: Somewhat surprised 00:34:23 Julie Greenberg: so heart warming <3 00:34:58 Annemieke van Dorland: relief and heart warming 00:35:18 Carla Sanders: Yes relieved. Happy. Bad things are not going to happen next, to anyone, especially not to our characters who are black. 00:35:24 Aiyana Lynnet McKenzie: My heart and body relaxed and heart expanded. It felt wonderful to see the smiles and hugs. I also had tears and realized how much I long to see more if the ‘whole picture’ 00:35:26 Barbara Daughter: I saw the final scene when the video began so I assumed there would be a happy ending. But I really wonder how I would have responded if I hadn't seen it 00:37:31 Gaia: thank you Anita, that was such an honest share 00:37:38 Inbal Sansani (she/her): For me, the music would not be as foreboding if it were not for my implicit bias and the barrage of racist stories over decades I've been told. 00:38:01 Anita Puksic (anitapuksic.com): Thank you, Gaia <3 00:38:15 Angie: Inbal, 100% 00:38:55 Maria's iPad (2): So relieved, because I was scared the black people was going to be the bad one but also that the white man also would be the stereotype of judging the wrong way. 00:40:35 Maria's iPad (2): Need to leave! Catching a train. Thanks Makeda. 00:42:45 Inbal Sansani (she/her): That's my point, Angie. It's less about the music than my racism/bias. 00:43:12 Nell Reid: yes - good point. 00:49:05 Carla Sanders: We are constantly "re-educated" through the media depiction of these stereotypes. And that is unconscious even when we “knowbetter”. 00:54:26 Bryn Bowersock: is anyone hearing static in the background? 00:56:12 AJ Frenzel: Assumption about the person 00:56:13 Carly Jo Bell: That she is lower income, and therefore she needs help 00:56:33 Carly Jo Bell: /she is not capable of managing her own experience 00:56:34 AJ Frenzel: “Obviously” why? 00:57:02 Brenda: Yes I hear a lot of static also. She said she had to use a fan because her computer was overheating but it would be ok. 00:58:43 Kelsey Lorynn: How did she see this as an argument? Was it actually an argument? 00:58:52 Carly Jo Bell: She also only paid attention because she knew one of the men who was involved—and was she trying to make the men stop, or make the woman stop 01:01:13 Natalie Jobity, The Unveiled Way: Such a good example of unconscious bias. Wow! 01:04:46 Gaia: absolutely! 01:05:47 Michelle Marlahan (she/her): Yes 01:05:50 Carla Sanders: yes 01:05:52 Gaia: yes 01:06:31 Julie Greenberg: It seems like your client's way of responding would be likely to further traumatize her client rather than support her in moving beyond her experiences in more constructive, productive ways. 01:07:54 Barbara Daughter: I agree @Julie 01:09:09 Carly Jo Bell: haha every time you call on Carla I think you're calling on me 😂 01:09:44 Gaia: Carla, that was such a great observance 01:13:11 Carla Sanders: I wonder how much of that anger the coach was trying to tone down is really truth telling with strong voice and energy, and yes, anger. 01:13:53 Carmen Guerrero she/her: What does leveling the playing field look like? 01:13:57 Joli Knott: Absolutely @Carla 01:15:37 Gaia: I love that this a paro of this training about leveling the playing fiels 01:16:07 Carly Jo Bell: Makeda, maybe you will get to this in the remainder of this training, but how can we move from the head knowledge of anti-racism work into true embodiment? (that may also be a very big question -- happy to book in a separate call to chat) 01:16:59 Gaia: would love to get that link. Dr. Glab?? 01:17:47 Caitlin FitzGordon (she/her): Dr Yaba Blay 01:17:49 Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-power-of-rethinking-everything-with-dr-yaba-blay/id1564530722?i=1000554326811 01:21:29 Barbara Daughter: Can someone re-post the 1st question? 01:21:37 Carly Jo Bell: 1. How regularly do I interact with people that have vastly different lived experiences than me? 2. How have you structured your life so that you don’t interact with Black people or POC? 01:21:40 Kelly Lubeck (she/her): @Barbara - How regularly do I interact with people who have different lived experiences than me? 01:22:00 Barbara Daughter: Thanks @Carly & Kelly 01:22:49 Inbal Sansani (she/her): Racesplaining? 01:27:02 Carmen Guerrero she/her: was there an “initial test" that i may have missed? 01:27:46 Carly Jo Bell: I believe this is the right link Carmen 01:27:47 Carly Jo Bell: https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/Study?tid=-1 01:28:29 Carly Jo Bell: Apologies - this is the correct link https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/Study?tid=-1 01:30:33 Kelly Lubeck (she/her): THank you so much, Makeda, for this workshop, and Joanna, for bringing this work to Sacred Depths. I have to go for a session, but so grateful - and wish we could go for 3 more hours! 01:31:35 Makeda Pennycooke (she/her): makeda@makedapennycooke.com 01:32:07 Carly Jo Bell: https://makedapennycooke.com/antiracism/ 01:33:17 Gaia: Wah!, Yu a Yardie!!! 01:36:23 Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Resmaa Menakem, My GRandmother's Hands 01:36:39 Barbara Daughter: Resmaa's work is very powerful and addressing embodiment 01:36:47 Gaia: thank you Joanne 01:37:09 Nell Reid: Thank you makeda - very powerful. 01:37:32 Annemieke van Dorland: Thank you so so much Makeda!! 01:37:33 Sarah MacKay Lynch: Thank you so much Madeka. 01:37:33 Caitlin FitzGordon (she/her): Thank you so much, Makeda!! 01:37:34 Makeda Pennycooke (she/her): makeda@makedapennycooke.com 01:37:34 Gaia: whats ur website Makeda? 01:37:35 Inbal Sansani (she/her): Makeda, you're so awesome. 01:37:38 Jana Mariana: Thank you Makeda 01:37:41 Aiyana Lynnet McKenzie: Thank you for your powerful honesty, Makeda 01:37:42 Lauren Piro (she/her): Thank you Makeda 01:37:42 Sidsel Nelund (Si-sel - she/her): Thank you, Makeda 01:37:43 Michelle Marlahan (she/her): Thank you -- yes learned so much here (and still a tiny toe dip) 01:37:43 Barbara Daughter: Thank you so much Makeda! 01:37:44 Carla Sanders: Thank you Makeda. Appreciate you bringing this to us. 01:37:51 Angie: Thank you so much for being here. 01:37:51 Joli Knott: Deep gratitude for your amazing work, Makeda! 01:37:51 Melody Noll: Thank you! 01:37:52 Carly Jo Bell: Thank you! 01:37:52 Marina Slagle: Thank you! 01:37:52 Anita Puksic (anitapuksic.com): Ha, thank you for saying that. I am not angry at you, I am angry at whiteness you represent. 01:37:53 Kelsey Boone: Thank you so so so much, Makeda!! 01:37:53 Bryn Bowersock: Much appreciation Makeda! 01:37:54 Brenda: Thank you 01:37:55 Carmen Guerrero she/her: THANK YOU! 01:37:58 Julie Greenberg: Incredibly grateful for this time with you and for your skill and ability to share this information so clearly. 01:38:01 Layne Mosler: Makeda, thank you so very much. You are extraordinary. 01:38:01 Lisa Avnet: Thank you Makeda~!