Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Welcome welcome.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Give everybody a moment to arr.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): it's our last session. Oh, my gosh.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): okay.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I always on the last session feel it's bitter sweet, it's it's such a
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): we're gonna have such a beautiful completion and ending today and honoring of all of the work and the effort of, and the learning and and and the evolution of the last 10 months. It's it's such a beautiful thing
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to come to an end.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And it's also a little bit of a sad thing to come to an end. If it were up to me we would just keep on going and going and going? So II always walk out of these last sessions, holding all the things in my heart. Anything come into these last sessions.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): holding all of all of the things in my heart.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): We're we get to because endings are hard. We get to be together for a little bit of a longer time today, and we have a lot of work to do. We are gonna spend the first part of the call looking at what I call next steps and celebration calls
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you know, very apt. And, Meta, it's about what to do on a last session with a client in general how to how to close a a coaching cycle and also
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what to do. If you would like to invite your client to continue working with you for another cycle. And so we're gonna kind of look at all of that, step by step, to step by step by step, and also how to make a next step invitation in an ethical way.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and then we'll take a break. We'll take a short break. Since we're together for a while. I'm sure we'll all have to.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you know. Bio break, and then we will spend the rest of our time together today.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Hopefully, in a little bit of a more ritual feeling space. We'll see how it goes, how much time we have but regardless spending time to really honor
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): all of this journey, and kind of send us off in the best of all ways, and then I have a little gift
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): straight from my heart to yours at the very end.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So that's how we'll move through this time.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Before we jump in and share a couple of logistics pieces. But before we even do that I forgot to turn the heat off, and it's it's right under my desk. Let me just run and turn the heat off. Hold on 1 s.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay, so we really reviewed a lot of the logistical kind of end of program logistical pieces last week, just as a couple of quick last reminders, the Facebook group
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): will be open. I think I mentioned this last week. Maybe I didn't. It'll be open until Monday.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So until Monday. Anything that you want to share in there, etc.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Post. Add whatever it is. We haven't been really using the Facebook group too much. But if there's any last minute like inspiration, or wanting to connect
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): with each other, you know. Sometimes people take somebody wants to take responsibility and see if people want to keep in touch and creates a list. You know. So so any of that can happen until Monday
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): after Monday. What my team is gonna do is we're gonna archive, the group.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And so what that means is that we're gonna close it for any new post
or comments.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But you can always go back
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and read anything, refer back to anything in there, etc. You'll have access to it as an archived group
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): from a practitioner point of view. the reason why I don't keep it open is because.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): just like we want to be intentional about opening containers. We also want to be intentional about closing containers. And in the past. I've
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): kept group Facebook groups open after a program has ended. But the energy just kind of peters out in a way, it feels like a weird
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): closing. So so that's why we handle the Facebook group in that way.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you'll get an email tomorrow, I believe, with. follow up.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you know things about certification. All the things I've shared with you before. But just so, you know again, you have all of the recordings, all of the resource sheets for life. So la! I always say, so long as my business is active and I'm supporting a member center you, you have access to all the things if at any point
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): we close the member center, I'll let you know well in advance, so that you can get what you need out of there, but that you you have, you know, as much lifetime as I can give on all of the materials you have it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Any logistics?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Questions that you have.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Nope.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): okay, if any come up, you can ask, you know, right in. Ask the team we're all here to support
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): ongoing whatever you need.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I can't remember if II asked this last week. So I'll just ask again, just in case
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you'll also get an email from me. Inviting you. If you feel called
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to write or make a video testimonial.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I am, of course, not attached at all. And leave it up to you to know if that is a right for you to do or not. But if you feel called
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): number one just on a personal level, I will take in the testimonial that you write and and bring it, you know, into my being and body, and I just appreciate it on a personal level. I used to
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): go like this with testimonials. I wouldn't even read them, because I felt like such a fraud and not good enough, and it it made me feel icky to even look at them. Not anymore. But more importantly, your words about your experience
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in sacred depths, and what it has meant for you, and how it has impacted you personally, and as a practitioner is one of the number, one things that people that are will be considering stepping into the program when I offer it again.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in the autumn. It is one of the most helpful things for people.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So if you're willing to share some words written or video, I would just appreciate it so so much
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Kristin's asking, When do we lose access to the biz coaching calls in the member center. So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the recordings
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I believe you have those even of the business coaching calls.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): are you trying with the QA. Calls Kristen, or the recorded trainings.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Just let me know
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the Q. And A. Calls. So I believe you have the recordings of everything that you've had access to for the last 10 months
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): forever on those Q. And A. Calls, I'll double check on that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in terms of ongoing. unless you're in advance, or embody where the QA. Calls ended with this month. So this yesterday's call
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): was the last community. Q. And a call.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay. Anything else? Any other logistics? Questions. For now.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): no. alright.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So let's jump in.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Let's talk about next steps and celebrations calls.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): let's start with kind of considering this
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): how you end. Anything
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): is just as important as how you begin right. We spoke about
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): at the very beginning of safer depths. We spoke about the importance of setting containers
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): logistics, pieces of setting containers, energetics, pieces of setting containers, content, pieces
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): of setting containers. And what I want you to consider is that how we close a container with a client.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): How we?
And
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): is
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): not only just as important as how we begin, but
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): it really makes a difference and an impact
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for the clients next
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): step of the journey, whether that is continuing to work with you or not.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So we wanna really end our coaching cycles in deliberate ways. We wanna be intentional around closing a cycle of coaching with a client.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Whether or not they're gonna continue working with us.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): This really helps for our clients to integrate their experience with in the work with us.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to more deeply embody it, and to to use it even more
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): out in the world.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): also being intentional about this does help.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): If we do, wanna invite a client to continue with us.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And so a note on that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): we don't wanna just invite every client to continue with us.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): We also wanna be intentional
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): about who we're inviting to continue and why we're inviting them to continue
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): with us.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for the most part we probably will wanna invite somebody to continue with us. It it will. You know, as we assess before we actually have the conversation with them. And that's what we wanna do beforehand is first assess with ourselves. Is this somebody that I wanna continue with? Is this someone that I sense
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): would receive value from continuing. You know, and then from there we decide whether or not to make the invitation. So most of the time in that first. In that conversation with ourselves it will probably be a yes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): there are always more things to work on. But sometimes it's going to be a no right. Sometimes it was a good enough fit for the 3 months, the 6 months, the 12 months of the cycle with the client, and a lot. It was valuable, and a lot was able to be accomplished. But maybe it's not like the perfect
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): fit to continue.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Sometimes someone will have truly accomplished everything they're meant to accomplish right, and it is really just time for them to rest before looking at the next
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): set of goals. So even though it's a perfect match made in heaven with that client. So so many wonderful things happen is actually maybe not. You know, they're not ready for another cycle. Sometimes that can happen also because of outside factors. Illness in a family death in a family, you know something big going on now. Maybe that's exactly why they would need support
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): from you. But in other cases it might be. It's it's time for a rest.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): or maybe you need a rest, too. Right? So all of this is to say,
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You wanna at least have a seed of a of a good reason to invite someone
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to continue with you
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that make sense. Okay?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Great.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): recommend in most cases. And of course, as with everything else, coach the what based on the who make decisions on the what, based on the who.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): but I recommend having a separate session
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for a celebrations, and next steps call so every now and again I might tack it on to ass, you know a session. Either.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Particularly if I'm not inviting a client to continue, I might. But for the most part, this is gonna be a special bonus session.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): That gets scheduled, and
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I like to leave 45 min to an hour for it to really have the time and space to do deep work during that call, to really be able to honor all that has happened. And then, if we're gonna look at what's next to look at. What's next?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I like to. Not if I can. Avoid it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): II don't want to have that call after the last call.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): It's nice to to schedule the next steps, and celebrations call either between the last 2 calls of a cycle, or even like, but be the third to last call
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): of a cycle.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): one of the the reasons for that is because once you're you're done
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the container is kind of, you know it feels more closed. And then, especially if you're going to be inviting someone to consider continuing with you, they're already out the door
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in a way.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Sometimes I'll mention verbally that I'm gonna send an email invite about a celebrations, a next steps call
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and then I'll you know. Well in advance. I'll schedule it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You have in your member center. A template.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Obviously use the word and email template, you know. Use words that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): sound like you, but some essentially what I often say is, you know, I can't believe that our time together is coming to an end. It's been such a powerful journey with so many shifts, and I would love to gift you within extra complementary session for us to be able to celebrate
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): all that has evolved, and then, if it's appropriate, and if it makes sense, we'll also use this time to look at what's next for you, and how and if I can support you in your next steps of the journey.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Obviously that last sentence
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'll only include, if I sense it's appropriate to invite someone, and I like to
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): bake it in already into the invitation. So it's not any kind of surprise like Anna. I'm inviting you to continue but instead, it's it's part of the invitation to, you know, to have this special call.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Of course, often what can happen is before you even get to make the invitation. A client will see they're coming to the end of their cycle. And they want to continue. They'll start asking you about it. And you can say, Yeah, that's a such a great idea. I would love to be able to continue. Let's set a special
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): time. Outside of our regularly scheduled sessions for us to have some time and space to really take a look together at what has been accomplished so far, how things have shifted and moved so far, and what you're really needing next.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Alright, I'll pause on that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): thoughts that are sparking what's resonating any questions that are coming up
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): so far.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Nisha.
Nisha Mody: So I mean, you might be getting to this. But how is
Nisha Mody: I talk? I talk a lot on the second to last call
Nisha Mody: about like, Oh, you know.
Nisha Mody: if I do wanna continue with them. Like, if you are interested in coaching, this is kind of what it would be. The way you're making the way you're talking about makes me think like I can add to that a little bit. But how is I also talk about celebrations?
Nisha Mody: and just like what they're gonna take out of this, you know, especially if they're closing out completely in the last call. So I'm curious what that is in the last call. Is it? Just like a regular coaching call. That's but maybe you're getting to that. But yeah, I'm gonna take you. It's such a great question. And yes, you're getting. You're shepherding us forward. I'm gonna get to each of the steps, and it's
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): W. Though what I'll offer you is, it's really just then the last. If you're gonna invite them, you still are gonna do the first 2 or 3 steps, and then you add a couple of pieces if it's also an invitation. But the idea is either way you wanna devote and dedicate
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): held space for celebrating. We're gonna look at visioning. There's a couple of pieces that are just really beautiful ways to end a container, no matter what cool. Yeah.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Victoria.
Victoria Cali: So there was 2 things that came up for me. I thought to name. The first is, I kind of got this
Victoria Cali: hint of a wave that like we're talking about ending. But we're also talking about beginning or like it's it's important to
Victoria Cali: how you close is that's important. That's how you open like, there's just like cyclical
Victoria Cali: shape that I noticed.
Victoria Cali: But really, also what I wanted to name is
Victoria Cali: something that I've been working through, which is like really creating that container, that shape of the container, and like making sure that.
Victoria Cali: like the value of not having something just an ongoing thing.
Victoria Cali: Think it's been like in my periphery? Yeah, I kind of see that. But like, I'm really, I think I just want to name that. It's sort of like moving more towards the center, being able to see
Victoria Cali: see how that would be valuable.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yes, I'm so glad you're sharing that. And actually, both of the things that you're sharing were very much related. Right? We can look at. We can look at all of this cyclical. And I'm just gonna like I'm gonna pull on some things that you said and underline them even more cause they're so important. So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): it is very hard in any kind of cycle in life to start a new cycle
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): if you haven't ended the last cycle. That's why we you know we looked at. We don't ever want to skip over winter right? Because it is really hard to to have a
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): effective. I don't know if that's the right word spring.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): If you skip over winter cause sometimes they'll have practitioners saying, but I just have clients that like keep on renewing with me, and that's why I don't even wanna do a cycle. They just keep on, you know, scheduling the next session in the next session and the next session, and I don't wanna mess with that. And and on the one hand, it's like, Okay, well, that works great, you know. Maybe in a broke don't fix it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But that being said, and I think this is part of what you're saying. Victoria is it makes the next cycle with a client
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): even more powerful if they have opportunity to say, this is everything that happened in the last 6 months.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Th. These are all the things that worked. These are the things that didn't quite work. This is where I am now.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And now this is what I want moving forward. Then we're going into that next cycle with so much more intention, right?
Victoria Cali: And it's like it brings
Victoria Cali: up back to our work with time, like, it's like working more tangibly with time as.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): yes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Good juniper.
Juniper | Alchemessence: Yeah.
Juniper | Alchemessence: could you talk again about
Juniper | Alchemessence: just the language you're using when you're inviting someone to that extra
Juniper | Alchemessence: meaning, because if they bring it up, that seems pretty straightforward and easy, and I like the idea of not
Juniper | Alchemessence: using like that dedicated session time to.
Juniper | Alchemessence: you know, invite them into a new container. So, but it feels like weirdly awkward when I think about it and like out, when how do you invite them into this? And then the other piece is.
Juniper | Alchemessence: if it is someone
Juniper | Alchemessence: who has continued or tends to continue.
Juniper | Alchemessence: would you weave that into one of their existing sessions? Or would you have that extra session like every time. So I'm just I, logistically, I'm just curious about some of this. Yeah. So I'll work backwards on your questions.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I have clients that sign up
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for either 6 months or 12 months, and they stay with me for years. Some of them I do a next steps call.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): no matter what
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): at the end, even if we like some people, we've done it, you know, 7, 8, 9 times over. I still do it now with some of those clients like I said we might just tack on 15 min at some point, you know, instead of the whole thing, because we can kinda get it done efficiently. We know they're gonna continue. But it it's still impact. It still is important to move through the pieces. I'm gonna share with you today
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in terms of the awkwardness. I can share the language again. You have it written, and I will share it verbally again. But I think the more important thing is to think about your energetics.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So remember, energy follows energy.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): If you are feeling weird or icky or Oh, my gosh! It's so like they already invested with me. How can I possibly ask them to invest again? Or
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): they didn't accomplish everything that we thought we were going to accomplish? So how could I possibly right. That's that's a big thing that can come up for us as practitioners as well. Right? So if we're, it's not right, it's manipulative. It's this, that and the other thing. Then it is gonna come off
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): as probably a bit more awkward.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): right? But if we are coming from a place where we've thought about it, and we do believe it's worth having a conversation, not we believe this person should continue with us right, but we believe that it is valuable to have a conversation for that, because it could really serve that client.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): then it it changes the whole energy of the ask to even have the conversation
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): right? And then again, and you have the, you know, some language in the resource center. But again, it's you know we've we've moved through so much over these months.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You've grown so much. There have been so many shifts and changes, and I'd love for us to have some time outside of our regular session time to really take a look and honor and assess
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): all the progress that has been made. You know, if it's appropriate, you'll say we'll also look at you know, where some things could be done a little differently for you moving forward. And you know, as we look at that, if it's appropriate for us to talk about moving forward together, and how I can support you in your next set of goals, we can do that also
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): on the call.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Right? Okay, I'll I just spoke a lot. So I'll pause. What's feeling important for you in this juniper? What are you seeing or learning.
Juniper | Alchemessence: II think I just, it's just nice to hear you go through it again. Because I'm like, okay, yeah, that feels good, that feels appropriate. So yeah, I just, I appreciate
Juniper | Alchemessence: the modeling.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay, good. Good.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay. So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): we'll set up the call a special time.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Let's talk about the session itself.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): W. We already we've spoken in a bunch of different ways. Why, intentions are always important at the beginning of the session, and for the celebrations, and next steps.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Session is no exception to that. We want to start
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): by setting an intention and little bit different than in a coaching session.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): a regular coaching session. We want to start. We also, we want to hear our clients intentions, but we also want to share our
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): intentions. So again, I have a little script for you that you should not go necessarily word for word. It's in the resource center. You make it be authentic for you. But as an example. You might start by, you know. Let's start by taking a moment to set intentions.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'll go first. and then I'll ask you to share your intentions.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And then usually this is what I are along the lines of what I share. My intention for our time together today is first and foremost for us to be able to connect
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and to connect deeply.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and for us to really use this time to celebrate and honor how far you've come since we began working together because it's incredible what's been what's evolved.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I also want to use this time for us to honestly assess where the next places of shifting of evolution are for you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and then, finally, we'll use this time to look at what it is you really want moving forward over the next year.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and as we do all of this, if it makes sense, we can also take a look at how I might be able to help you with those goals.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And now I'd love to hear your intentions for this
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): time together.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): right? And then we would hear their intentions, and as we always do as practitioners listen deeply
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and reflect
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and validate
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): again, even though the intention that I just shared is almost a carbon copy of the invitation to even come to ha! To schedule the call.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): II like to share it again in the beginning, so that it there is no weirdness right? Or bait and switch, or, you know, just so that we're we're fully transparent
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): about what the call is. The other reason why I'd like to to share it and to be explicit in the beginning is because if a client is like I don't wanna talk about continuing like that'll probably come up when they share their intention as well, and then you also have a better sense of where to go
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in the session.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So we start with the intention.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and then from there
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): we want to spend some time
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): celebrating.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And this is this is not to be underestimated. You don't want to skimp
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): all on this part of the session
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you wanna spend at least 10, if not 15 min.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to really hold space
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and support your client in celebrating themselves.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): We've already learnt this, but it's a good review
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): when we celebrate, you know, if we think about the cycles, the the and the 4 seasons. That's that's like the autumn, it's the harvest right over the the spring we plant seeds, and then we work all summer persistently and consistently for fruit to grow
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): so often in life
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the fruit grows, and then we just skip to the next goal. The next seeds we want to plant.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): instead of taking some time and embodied embodied time and space
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to really harvest, to, to pluck the fruit from the tree.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to enjoy the fruits of our labor, to honor ourselves right? And you know I could go on and on, and wax philosophical on this about. That's why you know, cap capitalism, and why we're also overworked and under satisfied, and and all the things so much of it does have to do
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): with being able to take the time to celebrate
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and honor
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): as humans in general. Not everyone, but in in general we tend to under celebrate
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and under honor.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and in particular, not really see and enjoy all that we've accomplished and all the ways we are growing
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and changing.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): We're really good at focusing on what didn't happen and what didn't go. Well, right? And then there's a there's kind of an opposite effect when it then comes to to really celebrating and honoring what has evolved and what has gone. Well.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): we also tend to make
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to under like like. Oh, that's not a celebration, right? The fact that I had that conversation with my mother or that. Okay, II didn't make the video, but I actually got to make the script like we, we tend to not see or make small things that are actually big strides forward.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): or sometimes we can forget.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): because we've integrated a shift so deeply, we can actually even forget that we were struggling with it 6 months ago or a year ago.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Right now, of course throughout our work with our clients we're gonna be celebrating. We've learned this already, celebrating and acknowledging, honoring all the way through
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and and then this is a moment to take some time to to to really have that space to be with all of well, I'm not gonna say all. You're not gonna have enough time for all of the celebrations that happen, but for many
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): of them.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): The way this would look practically in the conversation
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): would be for you to invite your client to.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you know. Think back to where we started, and where you were, and what life was like, or whatever topics you've been working on what business was like, what your health was like since month, 6 months ago, or whenever the 2 of you started right, think back to everything that was going on for you, and how you were feeling what you were believing back then, what you were able or not able to do or accomplish them.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): from there I want to ask you over these last 6 months what has shifted for you?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What has changed for you? Right? What is it that in this space together you really want to acknowledge and celebrate.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): depending on the client? Sometimes they'll just go ahead and start answering
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for some other clients. It's easier first for them to take a few minutes to jot down some notes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and then we'll have a conversation, you know. They'll they'll share
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): about it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): just like with all of our other coaching and transformational skills as people share what they want to celebrate.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You want to validate.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you want to affirm right? You want to actually celebrate with them. Reflect.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): etc.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Sometimes I'll say to the client, we're not gonna have time to go through all the things cause there's been so much. But hopefully we'll get to, you know, to to many of the celebrations and and the forward movement.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I asked them to think about the inner and the outer. And also, as we've learned with cello celebrating skills like, I just said a few minutes ago, because people tend to undervalue or forget, or not necessarily see something as a celebration.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): As part of this conversation, I am also adding right? So after. I like for people for clients to come up with as much as they can on their own.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But when they're done, you know, I might add one or 2, or even 3 kind of, you know big things that I really they didn't mention, that I really wanna acknowledge and celebrate
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): as inner or outer growth.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): one other thing I'll say about this section of the conversation is that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): sometimes
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): a client won't have achie
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): everything that they've set out to achieve right in the 6 months in the 12 months.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): they're coming to the end of the cycle. And there may also be so a little bit of, even though they're so grateful. You know all the things. There might also be a little bit of
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): kind of disappointment right of there was this and this that didn't happen, that II am really actively still struggling with, or you know, whatever it is. And so, if I know that that is the case
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for a client, and you will know right cause you've been in relationship with this person. You've been working with them. I like to honor and acknowledge that, so that they there's more of a open energy flow to be able to look at the celebrations. And so
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in that case I might say something like, you know. I'll I will honor and acknowledge. I might say something like, I know that you haven't yet achieved everything that you wanted to in the last 6 months, and I promise, as part of this conversation we are. Gonna take a look at that, and what can be what you can do differently moving forward.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But for now I don't want that to undermine
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): how much has shifted for you, and how far you have come.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And I really want to make space for us to celebrate all that has shifted and changed.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Alright. Let me pause there.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Thoughts on this section of the conversation, celebrating. What's sparking for you? What questions
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): do have
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Maria seeing in the chat? I'm not sure why you don't simply schedule the call as part of your package. You absolutely. If that feels like the right way to go, you can absolutely do that as well. In a. I have clients that with their own clients. They do that. It's just part of when people sign up for 6 months, you know, 15 sessions, you know. They know there's 15 coaching sessions, and they also have listed out a celebrations, and next steps call
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): as a part of it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Katherine.
Katherine: I'm actually right in this place with
Katherine: clients right now, because the sort of free body chunks that I gave out
Katherine: and III think this is kind of outside of the question that you're asking
Katherine: But I'm sort of curious like
Katherine: in terms of setting up expectations for What can be accomplished in amount of time, like, I think that's sort of where I am is like not having a clear sense of like. What can you expect to accomplish in 2 months or 6 months, and kind of
Katherine: So I feel like right now we're talking about like cycling back and being like I want to acknowledge, like how far you've come. And you said you wanted to do this stuff, and we got to it, or we didn't do it. And and I'm wondering. II guess
I feel like. I don't have a sense of
Katherine: the reverse of this is sort of the first day, and setting up like, what can we accomplish? And I don't know if you have any thoughts on that, or or even directions for places to go. If it's not something that we can accomplish in this
Katherine: in this class today. It's it's such a great question.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): as always. 3. Answer. And as I'll share them, and it may or may not be satisfying for you and anyone else that has the question. But I think there are a couple of things that go into determining that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): one is just experience. Right? So you, you know, the more you work with humans and and the different pieces, the the better right cause. There's such a wide range of
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): not only goals, but human experience that comes with it. So so part of it is just the more that you work with people.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Part of it is really listening for the who
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in the enrollment conversation? And where someone is starting.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that the journey, both on the inner and the outer levels? Right? What have they already accomplished. How have they already accomplished? What are the beliefs that they're starting with? What are some of the fears that they're starting with? What does their schedule look like when they're starting right? So the more information that we can gather about the prospect
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): at the at the beginning, so that we can kind of like, see their full picture, understand what the struggles have been up until now, what some of their pacing is like, what their, what their life situations are like
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): all of that is gonna then, from what we know about human behavior and so much of what we've learned here in sacred depths is going to go into us, being able to say, in 6 months time.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): We can work on this and this and this, and and you know that feels doable
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): right? So and then just the third thing I'll say is that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): II always qualify, cause I don't. I don't know. Even after all these years I don't always get it right. Or something happens in someone's life that came out of nowhere. That
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): shifts the work that we're gonna do together or slows it down, or we have to freeze it for a while, or whatever it is.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): or there were just pieces that didn't come to the surface yet about that person's fears, or their pacing, whatever it is, and so I always
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): qualify, you know, when I say I think we can accomplish this and this and this we don't know until we're in it. But you know this is this is what I would hope for.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Great. So I've long. I long ago gave up attachment to
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): like this is what I know we can accomplish. And this is this is what's gonna happen, because
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): life. as colt does saying. is that helpful?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Catherine? Yeah.
Katherine: yeah, definitely,
Katherine: And I wanna throw it. I'm gonna ask this question in the Facebook page. But if anybody has kind of any thoughts on like, how do you set it up? Or you know any of that like from other people's experience, I would totally welcome it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And when you say, How do you set it up? Just what do you mean by that?
Katherine: I guess I I'm sort of wondering like when you set up like I make a 3 month container, 2 month container sort of what are people's expectations of what they can do or sort of, you know, just
Katherine: Curious about like how other people you know what other people's experience is. And but yeah, that that answers definitely, really helpful. So thank you. Great. Yeah. And I'm glad you're gonna post
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Bruce.
Bruce | artichokedove.com: Yeah. Hi,
Bruce | artichokedove.com: so a lot of things are coming up around this this topic. First of all.
Bruce | artichokedove.com: one of the one of the gifts. Joanna, that you know I've gotten from this workshop in this, this, this coaching program that you've
Bruce | artichokedove.com: provided is
Bruce | artichokedove.com: something that I use regularly now, which is
Bruce | artichokedove.com: always asking at the end of the session, what are you taking away from this which I wasn't doing before. And it's it's really powerful because it allows for
that person to reflect
Bruce | artichokedove.com: and also to if it's appropriate, celebrate right and
Bruce | artichokedove.com: to for them to recognize where they were and where they've come to in small pieces right
Bruce | artichokedove.com: in. There's there's a
Bruce | artichokedove.com: phenomenon, and and it's we we talk about it in eft a lot called the apex effect right?
Bruce | artichokedove.com: And the apex effect is that
Bruce | artichokedove.com: somebody comes to you with an issue to work on, to work with right. and at the end of
Bruce | artichokedove.com: the time working with them the end of the package. Usually it's, you know, multiple sessions
Bruce | artichokedove.com: you're like. So how is that thing? Right, whatever it was you were working on. and they say, Well, I never. There was never anything wrong. In the first place.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): yeah.
Bruce | artichokedove.com: which is really fascinating. Right. So it's a denial of that. I had any issues in the past, because I don't know if it's shame or guilt, or whatever that piece of them that's coming up
Bruce | artichokedove.com: that that comes forward. I don't know if you've ever experienced that I'm sure people have on this call. You know where you're kind of like reflecting on what's happened, and they're like, I don't know that I was like that, or I don't know like that. So my my point is, those little pieces at the end of every session are really helpful to just reinforce
Bruce | artichokedove.com: the work you're doing right.
Bruce | artichokedove.com: So that was coming up for me, I, personally.
Bruce | artichokedove.com: for for what works for me, I would do a lot of shadow work, a lot of work with trauma and a lot of things like that at the end of the session, or at the end of that arc of sessions.
Bruce | artichokedove.com: prefer to do it at at
Bruce | artichokedove.com: that last session right? And let the client know. Listen, we've got the second last question. We've got one more session to coming up, you know. This is, I would like to do, and it gives them a little thought about. Okay, do I want to continue? Do we want to continue? Have we resolved what we want to resolve?
Bruce | artichokedove.com: That's how I personally do it?
Bruce | artichokedove.com: and then also let them know. You know. Maybe
Bruce | artichokedove.com: it's time to like, just reflect on. And if it makes sense, celebrate what's not in some of these are very sensitive, like celebrating is not always necessary. The right term to use. In that case.
Bruce | artichokedove.com: again, in some of the work I've done. so those are just some of the things. And then the third thing that comes down to, too, is like
Bruce | artichokedove.com: I am. I feel the value that I put out there is definitely a value. But I also recognize
Bruce | artichokedove.com: that there's a part of me that this is also business, right, that it's also my life
Bruce | artichokedove.com: sustaining way of bringing something to help live.
Bruce | artichokedove.com: But there's also value to it. And I always need to remember that there's value to what I'm bringing
Bruce | artichokedove.com: out into the world. So when I ever question myself whether
Bruce | artichokedove.com: you know, this is it's worth that
Bruce | artichokedove.com: investment I know the value I'm bringing is a greater value that they're going to get out of the time together on the other side, even if they don't recognize it.
Bruce | artichokedove.com: Yeah. And it when I can hold that without attachment.
Bruce | artichokedove.com: and then allow for them to decide whether it makes sense to move forward.
Bruce | artichokedove.com: I don't feel like I've resolved something for them. I will bring that up if I feel like we're there.
Bruce | artichokedove.com: I think they need time to integrate that they need space, and when they're ready to come back to work, that I have some clients that I've thought like.
Bruce | artichokedove.com: you know. Are they just relying on me? For.
Bruce | artichokedove.com: you know this constant reinforcement of who they are that they can't live without my services, and I don't want them to do that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): absolutely. Absolutely. So there are couple. Yeah, there are couple of things in here, I think, just to work backwards. We never, if we sense that someone is using
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the work with us as a crutch.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Then that's not a reason to
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): obviously, to, you know, continue working together. It is a good reason to have a conversation about it, though, and to see how someone can be empowered first and foremost, so that they can be empowered. And then, if that resolves and it, it's a value to continue to go from there. But absolutely we never, wanna, you know, invite when someone is
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): is using the work, I like to say, is as a crutch for them versus being in their own
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): power. Or also this has happened after we're, you know, for me before.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Sometimes you work with someone for so long, and it's such a dear and beautiful relationship. And there's like such loyalty. But at a certain point.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that individual, just really you don't want them to continue going out of loyalty and relationship. And it doesn't. It doesn't feel like
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the coaching relationship, at least in that moment in their lives, is gonna continue to add value and and that's also something that we need. You know, as practitioners, all the pieces we need to be thinking about when we're inviting someone to continue to work with us
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): or not.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Can you brought up the language thing which is really important? We looked at this back in our celebrating module. And it's just a good underline for some clients using the word celebrations is not gonna be the appropriate
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): word for them. We might use honoring. We might use assessing we might use acknowledging right? So always, always coach the what based on the who.
Bruce | artichokedove.com: You just say one last thing.
Bruce | artichokedove.com: Besides, the end of session thing that I've gotten from you, Joanna. Also the languaging has been really helpful, and how you
Bruce | artichokedove.com: say things has really been very helpful throughout this whole
Bruce | artichokedove.com: all the workshop. So thank you for all that.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'm so glad taking it in.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay, so let's keep on going. There's still more to the to the conversation, the the celebrations, and next steps conversation. So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): after celebrating
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): we want to move into, you know, we can think of the next kind of portion or section of the session is about visioning what's next?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And we also want to give this a good 10 min
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): or so.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Just like we looked at in our visioning module, there is so whether or not someone is going to continue with us, there is so much
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): value to hold space
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for another human being to take a look authentically and honestly at what they want next
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for themselves. What are their next steps
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): of inner or outer goals. What do they want? Their lives, their work, their health, their relationships, whatever it is to look like
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and feel like next? What are they ready to work on next.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): It's it's really a gift
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to be able to hold space
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for someone in that way.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): as as it goes. It is also a key piece
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to for someone to be willing to continue working together a lot of the time, because
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in order for somebody to invest their time, their money, their energy into moving forward. Usually, even if they love you, and they love the work. And there's so many celebration, whatever it is. But to make a next investment.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): they they need to have to want something out of that investment and feel really connected to whatever that something is.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): so similar to the visioning. You know, we're gonna wanna sorry to the celebrating. We're gonna wanna ask questions and give our clients opportunity to really see
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what they want next. You have already learned
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): so many visioning tools that you're gonna bring into this conversation right? But just for you know, a quick example of what you might do is, you might you know. So you've just done celebrations, and so you might say, you know the end of all the reflecting on the celebrations. You know, there's been so many. It's so beautiful.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Let's use that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): as a foundation as the foundation that you're standing on to. Now take all those resources, all that learning, all that's been accomplished.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to be able to see. What is it that you want next? So now that you have accomplished these things in the last year. Where would you like to be
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in a year from now?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Share with me all of the inner and outer accomplishments.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): almost as if we were. Gonna have this conversation again in a year from now. What would you want to celebrate then.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and similar to celebrating.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): We're going to be reflecting validating.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): etc.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): oftentimes people underestimate. Well, sometimes people overestimate what they can accomplish in a year. But usually after one cycle of coaching they don't overestimate anymore. And a lot of times people might even underestimate what they can accomplish in the next year or 6 months. So if you feel like they're underestimating or overestimating to Catherine's
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): point earlier. You want to add to the conversation. You want to help shape the conversation. If you see that there's more that they're ready for right. But they're just not giving themselves the credit
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you want to name that as well.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): so you want to spend a good amount of time
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): really supporting them, to lay out what they want now. Things that feel doable with a stretch.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and also things that feel exciting for them
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): after the visioning. Then you've already kind of established some points in the conversation, right? So in that celebrating. You've established where they were
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and where they are now. in the visioning. You've gone from. where they are now. to where they want to be.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So now that that's been laid out.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): then the next place you want to go in this conversation is well. How will your client get from where they are now
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to where they want to be, what? What will they need from themselves, first and foremost, from their own resources, first and foremost.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and possibly without side support. Maybe yours right in order
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to get
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to that vision that they've just so they've both beautifully laid out
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): together.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And so in this part of the conversation. That gets to really be illustrated. okay, a couple of things about this part of the conversation.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I usually like to start with
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): something as follows, so then, in order to get to right and you, you name everything they've just vision. What do you know about yourself
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that you're going to you need to use over this next year to get there, and that you're going to need.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Where are the places that you
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and where are the places that you might need support
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): where the places that you might need help with.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Right? So I ask a little bit about what what do you already have that's going to help you. And usually a lot of that is what's already been accomplished.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And then what do you sense? You need more.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): so that you can make this vision happen
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for yourself.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and you'll have a conversation with your client about that. They're gonna name some things you know, that they know I need help with this fear of visibility. I don't know how to blah blah blah. I still haven't figured out how to have that hard conversation
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): with my sister. Right wh, whatever it is that they name.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you're gonna name.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): If there are things to add, and you know things that you know, you can help them with. Should you continue to work together, you might name working on this fear or working on this belief. And this is also where
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you're gonna pull into the conversation and honor
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the things that in the last cycle didn't quite happen in the way that either we wanted them to.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You're gonna do this with compassion for the both of you, and with love for the both of you. But in a way where you can bring it into, we're gonna wanna you know this, you know, wanna honor that you didn't
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): end up launching that program. Let's say, for example, right? And I and I know that.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): having the confidence to launch
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the program, and that confidence inside of yourself, we have been working on that the last 6 months, but we didn't quite get to the place of you, feeling confident enough to then take these other steps. And so I know that that's something that we're gonna wanna continue to look at.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And my sense is that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): we're gonna want to look at this a little bit differently in this next cycle, right? And then you would share with them
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what you know, some different ways of approaching what didn't get resolved, or that it just needs more time and more effort and more consistency
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): every now and again, and this is some only something you can do if you've already had A tight container and a trusting container and an equal playing field and respect and love
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): but every now and again a as a part of that, you might say. And I say this sometimes you
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): If we were to continue to work together and work on this. My, I have a request.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Right? Cause it it like. This request is actually important for that, and it depends what the request would be. The request might be. For example.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): after a session, if you see 3 days later that you haven't made any progress on your homework. II really want you to reach out to me and let me know.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Instead of waiting until our next session 2 weeks later, so that I can help get you back on track
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): between sessions. Right? That's just one example. But it is. It is also a moment where you. You can
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): from your with an equal playing field, but from your expertise
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): make some requests that you know are
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): probably really important for your client to be able
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to get to the next place
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I just had. Another thing I wanted to say, and I lost.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Oh, and of course, obviously, throughout, whenever you're coaching someone. You're gonna bring up things that aren't working as well. It's probably not. The first time you're gonna be looking at what didn't work
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): alright. Let me pause on that.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Any thoughts or questions on the bridge.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Peace.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Golda
jodigolda: I would you be willing to just speak again about.
or how you said, the resources that they already have for themselves, or.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you know, support that they might need. II missed that part around what they already have, and that'll already start getting covered as you start to vision, because maybe they've just celebrated. You know, I've written my first newsletter article right? That's a like a celebration from the last thing. Now that you've written your first newsletter article, what's possible for you for the next year, so it'll already start to get
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): covered a little bit through the celebration and the visioning. But sometimes you do. Wanna just also add it in there to the bridge of, you know. And what do you already have inside of you? Or what have you already achieved, or know that you can do that is, gonna help you with these next steps.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Sometimes, again, I don't explicitly say it in that section of the conversation, because it's already been covered through. What the work we've already done in the session.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Does that make sense?
jodigolda: Totally? Yeah, thank you. Good.
So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): anything else on bridge.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Amy?
Amy G: I'm going to bring in the word accountability here, because I feel like that was, that was what was coming up for me of. Would this be a great place if applicable for the client when we're having that next talk that
Amy G: it's reminding me of a recent conversation with a client at home where we use that word accountability, where she was
Amy G: really opening up a space to invite more accountability. So when I really named it for her, it clicked in the way that she was ready to receive it, whereas before wasn't so much there, so
Amy G: would that be really supportive in this part here of the bridge in terms of the outward parts? I feel like it was kind of leading in from golders like inner resources there to then the outer of like, how can I best help you by
Amy G: getting clearer? Maybe on some accountability pieces that we can agree between us, that is, gonna help and support you even more for those next steps. Is that making sense? Yes, exactly. So. What you're gonna lay out in the bridge is kind of 2 related things.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Well, first of all, anything you lay out in the bridge is what they're gonna need right in order to get there. You're you're gonna be naming some specific things that you know the 2 of you can work on together.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And then you're gonna be naming, if applicable, specific things that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you might work differently than you did the first time around. Right? So accountability is a great example of that. That's a little similar to the that example I gave around. Don't wait 2 weeks, you know, or whatever another example of that. And again, this depends on relationship with client, and you know who the client is. But every now and again
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you know, I've said something like now in our first 6 months of working together because you were so much working on your own, you know, or whatever I'm making this up, your own inner trust and your trust of others.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I was a little soft when it came to, you know, lovingly calling you out on XY. Or Z.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): If we were to continue to work together. Do I have permission in a loving way to ABC, right? And
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): so this is whether or not someone continues, it's this is so helpful, right? Because they're getting to see all all the things they that to work on that they might need moving forward. And
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): these some of these things that you're gonna be talking about. The only reason that you can be having that conversation with the client is because you already know them.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): These are some things that a a practitioner that's new to them, they'd never be able to have that conversation
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): dead.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Alright. let's keep on going. There are just a couple other pieces. So at this point in the conversation
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you will have at least a fair you know, know the temperature in terms of
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): if someone, if your client is going to really be interested in in continuing to work together right just through how the conversation goes and the things that come up, and and how they respond to questions and and all the things.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): if it feels right
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to invite them
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to continue to work together.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): This, this is the moment to do it right. You've looked at what they want next, what they've already accomplished, what they want next, and you've named ways that you could help them
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): accomplish what they want next. So the next logical thing is to make the invitation.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Now.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): if what you're inviting them into next
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): looks exactly the the same component numbers, wise as before. So if it's the same amount of sessions, and if it's the same rate.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): etc.,
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): then I will. I will almost always just make the ask
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): if they want if they're ready to step in on the call itself.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And I might say something like you. Everything that we've been talking about today is the exact ways that we would be working together. These are the exact things that we would use, you know. Should we continue to work together? You know that we would use the container in order for you to reach your goals.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I want you to know that I have loved working with you, and if it feels right for you
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for us to continue to work together, it would just be my honor and my privilege to continue to support you, and to continue to hold space for you and your next vision
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and it would look numbers wise, exactly like it has these last 6 months or this last year. I'm not raising my rate
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): or changing anything about the program.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You know. Sometimes I might say I'm not raising my rate for you to honor you as a continue. You know, if I have raised my rates for the next year, or whatever I might say, you know, but for you I'm not raising my rates.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Etc. I this is just my truth. This this doesn't have to be your truth. But I'm a big believer in giving a special rate
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to my continuing clients, just as a way of thanking them for all the ways that they have already
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): invested in our work together.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Sometimes. So I just I say that, and sometimes a client. They're just ready to go. They're like, yes, I want to continue. It's a done deal.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): whatever great. When that happens. Other times
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I share it, and a client says I am really interested. Right? It sounds really good, but I wanna take some time to think about it, or I need to ask my partner or I blu. You know whatever I need to, whatever it is right. That's great, too. If that happens, you honor that you validate, that you encourage, that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you set up a time to connect, you know, in the next week.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And maybe you give them some
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): journaling homework also to, you know, for them to be just very intentional.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Continue to be intentional about the decision
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): sometimes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): either you've raised your rates or this happens with me a lot. I'm gonna take everything that came through
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in that session and what I know of the client. And I'm gonna want to tailor a program just for them. And I just need a little time to think about
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): this many sessions. You know this is what I think. The right pacing is, you know, based on what you want next and what I know about you or you know, whatever it is, right. So if
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the numbers, the the look of the container
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): is gonna change possibly in any way from from this last cycle. Then II might say something a little bit different. You know. Everything that we've been talking about is, you know, are the exact same first, the same exact ways that we would work together. These are the things I would help you with if we were to continue working together.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I think it would look a little bit differently in terms of sessions, or you might say, I have raised my rates for 2024 you would, you know, I would say you would get a special continuing client rate, but it might look a little bit, you know. It'll look a little bit different than how it looked in 2023, right? So I'll acknowledge that it looks a little different. And then I would say.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Would you be interested in learning more? Or would you like for me to send you the information
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): on the Num and the numbers on that right? And then from there I would. You know also.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): just say, as I modeled before it would be if it's right for you, it would be my honor
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for us to continue to work together.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and then if they say Yes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you know, I'll send them the info along with some homework questions. I have homework questions written out for you, suggested ones in the resource sheets. I'm I won't
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): over them right now unless you want me to, but they're all written out there for you, and then, you know, have another session.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): regardless whether the person said yes, like they're they're ready to put money down right then and there, or if you're gonna send them information. And you've set that set up another session, or whatever it is, regardless.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You always wanna end with takeaways right? Even though the whole session was a take away session. You still wanna end with tasks. What are you taking aside from? Whether or not we're continuing to work together right? And what are you taking away for yourself from this conversation? Right? Because so much beauty and value has happened in in the the conversation itself?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Right? And then you're gonna reflect on that.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Alright! What's
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): sparking? What questions do you have about the celebrations
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and next steps conversation? What are you learning for yourself?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'd love to hear. Also, if maybe you're feeling a little more excited now to invite clients to continue versus meh.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Bolda.
jodigolda: Okay, I think I have 2 questions. Well, one is what I'm noticing, which is
jodigolda: it's so much it's
jodigolda: So I have had the opportunity to do, and celebrations and next steps, conversations. From what I
jodigolda: learned in doing my my certification training with Mikita. So I've I've gotten the opportunity to do. I think 2 or 3 and just yeah, just hearing you like, there's so much
jodigolda: like just more tightening that I could do it the whole in the whole container package. So
jodigolda: especially like I did one yesterday. And yeah, not acknowledging what what the client didn't accomplish and how I can feel that felt loose to me.
jodigolda: Yeah, you might be able to
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): go back on that, too, since it was just yesterday. If it feels important, you need to wanna think about the words that you use. But you could shoot a note if it's right for that client, and say, you know, amidst all of the celebrations
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and the acknowledging, you know, I do realize that we we didn't also acknowledge that there's some things that you had really wanted that haven't happened yet, you know, and you can write a little bit about that, or say I'd love to talk about that as well if you don't wanna get into the writing of it. But if if it's you'll know if that's right for that client. But you you can backtrack.
jodigolda: That's the piece that I really get is like it is never too late to tighten up the container.
jodigolda: You can have 2 overs all the time. So the other one is so I have a client who so 24 sessions a year long, and I think we're at 22.
jodigolda: So it's January, and we did.
jodigolda: We did end of the year. Acknowledgements celebrations right in December. And then in Jan at the beginning of January, actually or so, have been more visioning.
So I'm curious. How like it! It feels a little redundant to do a celebrations. Next step call
jodigolda: either, between session 22 and 23.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Do, do, are you tracking what I'm saying? Yeah, I think I am. So if you've just because of the New Year done celebrating, envisioning, I would still
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): schedule the call.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and I would let the person know, you know, if we were doing this in April. If we were doing this in October, we would spend a lot of time on celebrating and then visioning. I know you've just done that. So let's spend 10 min to review, so that you can more deeply take in and embody. And then I would continue the conversation.
jodigolda: You know, in the ways that we've laid it out here. Okay.
jodigolda: okay, yeah, it just it. Okay, yeah.
jodigolda: Like, I said, I, just, I'm like, I don't want to feel super redundant, but just name it just saying, no, we just did it. And let's use. Let's just take a little bit of time first for embodiment, right? Cause
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): coming back to to make body memories and neural pathways of of it all. and you know an end. And if, when you did it at the New Year. You did it more cognitively.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You could do it more somatically for 10 min now, right? So she might have all her notes of
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what she came up with, you could lead her through a a heart centered experience or a body centered experience to. Now we're gonna take it in.
Beautiful.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Great, thank you. Yeah. Misha.
Nisha Mody: yeah, I actually have a question about not just this visioning portion, but
Nisha Mody: visioning stuff in general. That
Nisha Mody: Now that I've done it a few times after we learned visioning from you.
Nisha Mody: I notice that
Nisha Mody: sometimes my clients, and might just be like how I'm saying it, but
Nisha Mody: sometimes it's hard for them to even think of something they're they want to vision because they feel so much tension
Nisha Mody: about even wanting it. Or
Nisha Mody: you know the fact that they don't have it. And so I'll say, like, well, you know.
Nisha Mody: focus on less about your desire to have it cause it's like about the desire like not so much the desire to have it, but as if you had it like you don't already and I'm not sure if that's the way to prompt it. And I was thinking about it here, because, like, I could also see it being another stopping point, potentially like in the follow up. So just to have more of that flow or that conversation. I'm curious.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): yeah, I'm curious about that. Yeah. So it's such a great question. Remember, back to navigating client resistance.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So the tension. Right? That's holding them back from visioning. Now, sometimes it's just not a moment to vision. We looked at that envisioning like truly beginning of winter. Not the moment right, but any other situation. We can look at that tension as a kind of resistance and as a quick review. You know one of the things that we looked at.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and we don't have to name it like the archetypes that we named. It might not be one of those right, but it still is a form of it. One of the things we learned, number one is always work with what comes up, it's always there's gonna be so much value, and that that any kind of resistance is really just a really smarty pants way of distracting from a deeper fear, right? And you already
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): well, I don't want to vision this, because what if I can't
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): make it happen right? What if it's just impossible? What if I don't have what it takes? What if I don't deserve it? What if right wh. Whatever I've tried before? And it it didn't work? II don't. Who am I to right? Whatever the thing is?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And one of the things that we learned?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Back with the the navigating client, resistance is, first meet the resistance with love and normalize it, and be curious about it so that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): it can soften up, and you can start to get it. What is the what is actually the underlying fear of belief
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): coming up there?
Nisha Mody: Okay, yeah, no, that's helpful. I think one thing that actually, you said
Nisha Mody: you just said was also like it might not be the time. And that's something I'm I'm sitting with. I mean, I usually like my first sessions to be like. Let's go through your because I have, like a values workbook of like, let's move through your values. So I can understand what your values are, and why? And then let's do some visioning. And then I have that lead to goals. And so I have this kind of like order in my mind about how it like should be. But I also think that there is sometimes like
Nisha Mody: another step to kinda get to visioning, that maybe it's gonna take a couple of sessions or 3, you know. And that's okay, just kind of yeah, the the the who, not the what? Right? So yeah, because I'm feeling like it's I mean, yeah, there might be some client resistance there. I'm gonna have to sit with that and move through those archetypes again, because
Nisha Mody: sometimes I feel like it's that other times I feel like it's like.
Nisha Mody: really, how I word it. You know, I'm like, well, think about that.
Nisha Mody: That desire and way they think about the desire. They think about the pain that's associated with that desire. And sometimes when I redirect them, they're like, Okay, yeah, like. And they can actually get there. So sometimes redirections. And I do think other times it's like might not be the right time, or, I think, actually navigating the client resistance could potentially be the the bridge to be like.
Nisha Mody: can we even move there? Or maybe not, maybe we need something else. So
Nisha Mody: alright. Thank you. Yeah, cause I was just like thinking about that. And then thinking about closing with that. And I'm like, Oh, you know, if that happens again, like where to go like I would hope that maybe at 6 months it wouldn't happen. But who knows? Like, anything can happen? So thinking about visioning from that sense is. Yeah, that's helpful. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. I'm glad you asked. And
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): there's just one other piece I wanted to underline from what we were saying. Oh, so much of it is going back to seasons right when someone is in that winter. But that doesn't mean that there isn't stuff for us to work on with them, even if they're not able to vision right it. Maybe the work is helping them slow down and rest.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): helping them grieve, helping them understand what, just whatever the thing that just happened over the last months that have put them in a place of they're not ready to vision what's next or right. So I think even there sometimes there are piecesing might look different. But there's still pieces to vision.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Possibly.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Bruce.
Bruce | artichokedove.com: Yeah, I don't know. You may talk to this doing, and just let me know if this does not fit here.
Bruce | artichokedove.com: which is fine.
Bruce | artichokedove.com: So, clients that you've
Bruce | artichokedove.com: worked with and you know you've done a kind of end of sessions under the arc of the sessions.
Bruce | artichokedove.com: and then they've kind of gone off, and it's months later, or even years later.
Bruce | artichokedove.com: you know, I haven't done this yet, and it's it was. It's just a matter of just checking in with them right?
Bruce | artichokedove.com: Just wanna see how you're doing checking in.
Bruce | artichokedove.com: I didn't always want to tie it to a like a referral based thing. But
Bruce | artichokedove.com: just leaving it at that.
Bruce | artichokedove.com: How how do you? How would you position that? I don't know if you want to talk about that now? Or if that's something for another?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah, no, we can. I just wanna make sure I understand the question. I think what the what I'm hearing is clients that you've come to. The end
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): of the work could be months later. It could be years later.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Reaching out to them to see if they want to work together again. Is that the question just checking in with you. How are things going?
Bruce | artichokedove.com: Yes, kind of like top of mind. I'm still here. Hello! You know, if you need any support, or if anybody.
Bruce | artichokedove.com: you know needs this type of support. Things very. You know, you could do the mass mailings, obviously as an email and follow up and all that. But being more particular to that
Bruce | artichokedove.com: one on one conversation. Yeah.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): so
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'm I have a feeling you're similar to me, but I don't want to make any assumptions, Bruce. I'm a relationships person. So because of that, I'm gonna lay. And I'm loyal. And I just, you know. And so I am keeping in touch as much as time allows
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): with clients that I've worked with, sometimes without agenda at all. Other than this relationship is important to me, and other times with a little of the agenda in. So I am. I have time regularly
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): baked into my calendar every couple of weeks. Where I'm like this is. I'm taking an hour. Who do I wanna reach out to? Just because I miss them, or I've been thinking about them, or if I think about somebody spontaneously. I would do it anyway. So it's it's both serves
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): just that need, you know, and the love that I have, and it does kind of serve the need of keeping up relationships
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): because it helps with business.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the first time I reach out to see how they're doing, isn't
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): it's been years. How are you? Do you wanna work together to have referrals? But there, there's been a bit of an now. Have I
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): never done that? I'm sure I've done that a few times as well, and it's fine, because there's love, you know, between us, and I haven't asked, you know. But I do try to every couple of months still connect in. You know as much as I can
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and then I will, if I am looking for clients, or because they've responded to me. And they say this that is going on. Sometimes they'll even just spontaneously be like, I'm so glad you got in touch. Can we work together again? Right? But depending on the thing, then I will say, you know, I have a couple of spots open in my practice, or I'm about to launch this program. Do you know anybody, or would this be appropriate for you?
But remember, marketing is always about relationships. So II am
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): just kind of continuing to build that in that relationship time.
Bruce | artichokedove.com: Is that helpful? Yeah, thank you. Yeah. I kind of knew that's where your answer was going, but that validation is always helpful. So thank you. Yeah. Yeah. Good question.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Jennifer is asking in the chat. what if they choose not to continue? Then how do you wrap it up?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yes, so sometimes, even if you're feeling like I would love for this person to continue. I so can see all the value and what they would receive. And you know all the things it's just.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): It's not happening right. The client either
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): could be finances. It could be time it could be. They're not feeling it didn't right, like all it could be. The next set of goals isn't yet important enough for them, whatever it is that's gonna happen sometimes, right? And so when that does.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You're gonna wrap. You know, you're gonna first of all energetics. You're not gonna take it. Personally, I know it is easy to take it personally, but you're not gonna take it personally right. Have so much love and compassion and respect for yourself
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and for your client, and if they say you know, it's just, it's not right, or it's not the right time, or I'm sometimes it's like signed up for this instead, or like whatever it is, then you can say. Oh, you know I'm a little sad and disappointed because I would have loved to continue.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): but I'm so glad that we have had the chance to do the work that we've done right. I'm so glad we've had the chance to to review and an honor. Today I feel really good about you know where you're pointed towards. Next we looked at your goals
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and what you need. And then this is also why I like to not have it. Be the the last last call. Cause, then what I'll also say to at the end is, and I'm so glad that we have one more coaching session left so that any other like last minute questions, or any like last pieces that you wanna look at or work out. We still have that session to do it with.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and that's it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Mika, I'm going to get back to your journaling question in one moment. Would you ask for a testimonial on this call?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I would ask for it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): not on the next steps call, but at the at the end.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): The last session cause it's like combining. I don't know. It just feels like it's combining too many things at once, but always feel it out energetically, and what feels right.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay, I mentioned Mika. Thank you for asking for more clarification. I mentioned
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): journaling questions. It should be in your member center. Now, you should have 2 resource sheets that go along with the call today. I noticed this morning that one of them wasn't in there. I asked my team to put the second one in there. I think it's 38 B. So you might need to refresh if it's not there yet. But if you go to the very, almost the very end of the resource sheets
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the sheet that's called celebrations. Next steps call script. I have some. Now, you tailor, right. We always want to tailor it. So these are general, but you can also use these if you can't think of what to tailor. So example, you might ask them, you know, to write out the ways that you've appreciated our work together so far, or even though we went over celebrations, you know. Write them out for yourself.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Write out all the ways. Should we continue to work together, that you would like to use this container in order to move forward.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): write out any fears or doubts or concerns that you have about moving forward, so that we can look at them together
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): when we reconnect
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): hopefully. You've already spoken about those right in that bridge part. But if you feel like that's important for that particular client.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay, so hopefully, this what we've looked at so far today not only was great for next celebrations and next steps calls, but it was a nice little review of some foundational skills, also good for integrating in our last class. In a few minutes we'll take a short break, and then we'll come to our honoring. Of you know everything that we've done.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): not with next steps, because I've already made invitations to advanced, and I've already made invitations to embody but before we break, I do just wanna remind you all of that. So the special rate for embody, which is the sacred depths graduate program.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that I extended to you is good through the end of the day. Today it's $139 a month. I won't go over again everything that you receive, but it's really for graduates who wanna stay connected into community who want to have me for the, you know, twice a month. QA. Calls Facebook group for any questions that you have in your case. Your client case studies your groups.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): your business, your marketing, and it's an opportunity to continue to practice
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): all the you know, the techniques and the skills that we've learned here. But I think the the
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that the best part of embody is about every 2 and a half months.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): We meet 4, 4 h. and it's not even fair to call it a review. But we go back in depth into one of the subjects or topics or skills or techniques that we've looked at in sacred depths.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And we get to the deeper nuances of it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And I also give. I also share. And I model techniques. We do Demos for how to even
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): do them differently. So we're looking over the next year, it's strategizing skills how to deepen your strategizing skills and part of that. The view, what I love the most about the retreats is the inner work that we do, and that you get to do so with the strategizing. You're gonna look at some of your own procrastination tendencies. If you've got those or overworking tendencies.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): We're gonna look at intuition after that, accessing our intuition more deeply, our clients inner wisdom in the autumn. I'm going to be teaching the Belief bridge technique
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): which you haven't learned yet, but it is a combination of
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): rewiring myth of perfection, befriend or fear, and a number of other things. It's really cool and very effective.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): We're going to be looking at breakthrough questioning, going deeper with that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and also radical self-love. So, anyway, it's good until tonight. Some of you have written in and have said, life has just been so hectic, and you're really interested. And you just haven't had a time to fully look at the brochure.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and you know, feel into it. If that's you, just so long as you reach out by the end of the day today, let me know. If you're thinking about it, I will. I'll hold it the 1 39 a month for you for a few more days. But II just need. I'm like happy to extend it for a little bit. I just need a little bit more of a sense of numbers. II would appreciate that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and if you have any questions, of course. ask me or talk to Caitlin and involve.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): so I'll pop that into the chat again. Let's take
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): 1243, we're gonna take a short break. So just till 1255 Eastern, I'm gonna use every last minute until 1 30. So let's come back at 1255. I'm gonna hang out if anybody needs anything for a few minutes. And, Jennifer, yes, if you are registered for advanced, you're automatically. That's my gift to you. The full embody program for the 12,
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and you'll get info on that soon.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): let's all come back together if you're able. If you're back from break, and you're able to have your camera on. Please put it on. I know we can't always have it on, but it just lets me know that I'm not starting you myself after break.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay? So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): have just a little bit of time left together today. And in the program. I asked you to bring some items to this session. I don't know that we're gonna
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): get to use all of them but we'll see how it goes. I wanna just for us to have as we've been talking about today for us to have some time and space to really honor
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): this journey that we've been on together
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): these last 2 months, and
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I don't know if you feel the same way, but and share with
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): how the world has been for many years now. and all all that is going on.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): It is for me
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): really not just an honor, but a gift, to be able to come together
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in community, and to have spaces to be
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and to be myself. And this circle has been part of that, and I hope that you all feel that way
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): as well. It's really an extraordinary thing in this day and age to be able to have.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So I want to spend some time for us to really honor all of that, and to to send us all off in the the most empowering of ways.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Let's take a moment and just get grounded. Come into a little bit more of a sake, even more sacred space.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): If it's okay to close your eyes, you can close them. If not, keep them open.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Take a few moments to really bring yourself
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): present.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to bring all of you here.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): not to get anything done like we often feel
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): we need to do in life, but to bring yourself present
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for you. for your soul.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): maybe using the breath to remember your body
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and to
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): inhabit more of yourself.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): The invitation is to
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): take up more space.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): both inside of you
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and outside of you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and as we come into this home stretch last half hour.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): invite you to place a hand on your heart. If that feels okay, connect with your heart
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and set an intention with yourself, with your heart
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): on how you want to show up for this ending. Like I said, earlier endings are just as important as beginnings.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Really set that intention for yourself.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And then from there
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): come back to all of you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I wanna invite you to remember back
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to last early spring.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): early spring, 2023, when we began this journey.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and as you bring yourself back to March 2023.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Remember for a moment what was going on in your life.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Come back to almost a year ago.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What were your
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): strengths and your practitioners strengths
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): a year ago.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): whether you'd ever coached before or not
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): come back to also remembering what some of your obstacles were a year ago, maybe with some of the gaps
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in your skills, were a year ago.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Try to remember back to what some of your beliefs were your attitudes, how you felt about yourself as a practitioner, as
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): an entrepreneur
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): kind of note a little bit what things were like a year ago
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): 10 months ago.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and then from there. Bring yourself to where you are now.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and what has changed in your life.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and just
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): first mentally in in your body, make note what has changed about who you are as a practitioner.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What has changed in your work
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): over this last year, in your skills.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in your attitudes, in your beliefs.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in your confidence.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and as you just start to make note of some of those changes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): see if you can feel them in your body.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and then from there
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): get a little more specific, and I want to invite you to journal and write down. I've got some questions for you. So the big question is, what do you want to celebrate? And we'll look at this in categories.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): first is, what do you want to celebrate now that we're coming to an end
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): about who you are as a practitioner.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What do you want to celebrate
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): about who you are?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): As a practitioner?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Nothing is too big or too small for this list. If it comes up.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): write it down.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): My guess is that everybody
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): everybody here has at least 3 or 4 things to celebrate or acknowledge or honor about who you are and who you've become
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): as a practitioner
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): these last 10 months, if not more.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'm gonna
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): add to that. Maybe you've already started noting
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): snoo skills or deepened skills that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you want to acknowledge or celebrate but take the next few minutes
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to jot down. What are some of the new skills. right, big or small, that you really want to honor. You really want to celebrate. And
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): today is the very first day I'm working on a new computer. And I'm realizing I didn't download word. And so I can't copy and paste. I would put this into the chat. But instead, I'm just gonna name some of the skills we've looked at to to jog your memory.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What is it that you
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): want to acknowledge and honor and celebrate around your energetics?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Let's start with that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): around feeling whole and complete. Knowing your clients are whole and complete, right? And any of the beliefs and energetics you bring.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What do you want to celebrate and honor about that.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): We're not gonna get to everything and all the pieces. We need a few hours for you to celebrate everything. But at least jot down a few things
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): energetics. You might want to also jot down what has shifted and changed what you've learned, how you've deepened in terms of in terms of creating containers
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): both in session with a client as well as with documents. Right? All all of those pieces.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What do you want to celebrate there. give yourself credit.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and I'll add to the exploration and the acknowledging
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): foundational skills. Right? So what has shifted and changed? What have you learned? What do you wanna acknowledge and celebrate when it comes to your listening skills to checking your filters, to your ability to be curious
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to creating awareness, reflecting, celebrating, acknowledging, and honoring. What do you want to celebrate around breakthrough? Questioning.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): visioning, strategizing. I know that's a lot. And again, I wish I could put it into the chat. Maybe I'll type it in right now. what about your foundational skills? Have you deepened? Have you learned?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Have you are celebrations for you?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Things that you want to acknowledge that maybe you haven't acknowledged yet, but it's important.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Take a look. See what's there again, back to what we were talking about earlier. So often we
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): we forget to acknowledge how far we've come and what has shifted and changed and improved.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And then
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what about working with obstacles, working with fear.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): with unhelpful thought patterns. Maybe there's something you want to celebrate around myth of perfection wheel of self-sabotage.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): accountability structures.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Maybe you've deepened your skills in terms of
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): journaling questions for homework. Right? We've looked at so much again. We're not gonna get to all of it. I wanna give another couple of minutes. What is it that you really wanna celebrate, honor, acknowledge?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And also I invite you to add to this list of celebrations of honourings anything that you want to honor and celebrate by way of your business.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): If you have a business or maybe shifts personally, maybe you've applied
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the resistance archetypes to a family relationship.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): or you've applied questioning or
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): equalizing the playing field to parenting or to a friendship or
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): something with yourself. Maybe some fears that you've been working on right. So take another minute or 2. What else has changed? What else do you want to honor?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What do you want to celebrate?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Maybe your feel more regulated now when
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): clients have certain things that come up.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Maybe 10 months ago you wouldn't even consider sharing about your work on social media, and now you have shared your work
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): on social media.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Here's another question like we spoke about earlier. I am
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): certain that probably for almost everybody here there have, there are some things that haven't gotten the way you wanted over the last 10 months.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): When you think about if there's something that you're still like. Oh.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I really wish that would have happened, or I wish I would have got, you know, deepened more into that skill, or, you know, whatever it is.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): take a moment and honor it, and
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): my question on it is.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what have you learned about it
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that can help you moving forward right? Whatever that situation is, or that thing that didn't
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): quite turn out or turn out yet.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What's a learning that can be harvested from it?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Take a moment and look over everything that you've written down so far everything you've honored or celebrated so far.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): circle some of the things, or underline the some of the things that feel the most important to you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): They're all important. Circle underlines some of the things that feel the most important.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Whatever those things are.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I want to invite you to take a moment
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to really honor those celebrations, those learning
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for me. I like to when I do this. I like to almost breathe in right whatever that thing is that I'm honoring or celebrating it like, breathe it, inhale it deeply into my body to take it in and integrate.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): make it embodied. so that you get to have it for you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and please share
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): one of the things that feels the most important. Please share it in the chat. What are you celebrating? What are you honoring?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What are you really taking?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What are you honoring and celebrating?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): We still have a few pieces. So type them in. Now.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): verbi, a real inner knowing and faith that in working somatically with clients and ourselves. the higher wisdom answers are in there. If we trust and allow beautiful
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for Jessica. This container has been hugely in terms of healing the sibling archetype. Yeah, and feeling safe to speak up amongst your peers. Yes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for Kristen, you've improved your capacity
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to lead someone through befriending their fears. Yes, I know it's been big and creating more inner peace and understanding. Yes, and you've grown your skills with working your own fears. Yes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for Danielle, not only your client, but you, too, are whole and complete exactly as you are. Yes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): pursue, embracing the new tools that you've found personally helpful, and then supported your clients. Yes, of a friend. Your fear. Yes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for Jen, celebrating a new way of being with your fear and imagining a new way of doing your work
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and putting it, putting it out in an explicit way. Yes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): rock, solid confidence when holding client containers. These are also beautiful.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): maintaining curiosity always. Yes, to support the container.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): honoring that you're a coach.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Golda, no longer just a consultant or a cheerleader. Yes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): they're all so beautiful.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): here's my next question for you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): With all of this, all that has been
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): accomplished and moved through and learnt all that's been evolved
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): as you now step into the next cycle for yourself.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What are you ready to claim?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Maybe you're ready to claim yourself as a transformational practitioner?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Maybe you're ready to claim your right to be visible
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in your work. Right? You could do this is whatever you want, right. But what do you now feel ready
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to claim next for yourself.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What are you ready to claim?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And if you know it, please share it in the chat, so we can kind of have different ideas. and so we can acknowledge.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what are you ready to claim?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): More celebrations are being shared. These are great.
Hmm.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): so the claiming question, I know is a big one, some of you might know automatically. Some of you might want to noodle on it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And you really wanna invite you to O over the next day or 2 to to really lean in
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and when you're ready. I asked you to bring an object or a piece of clothing or a piece of jewelry, and you can do this on your own
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): when you know what you want to claim. My invitation to use doesn't have to take a long time, but take a few minutes in some held space. and whatever it is that you want to claim, infuse it
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): into that piece of jewelry into that object.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): into that piece of clothing, so that it becomes your power object around what you're claiming, and every time you put it on, or every time you see it on your desk it can be a rock, whatever it is. You can come back to this, knowing
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): of what you're claiming for yourself.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So in the few minutes that we have left.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I wanna share with you something that I wrote many, many years ago.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I wrote it for myself, and also Penina, my oldest daughter, was a baby. I wrote it for her when I didn't
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): realizes that I also really wrote it
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for all of you, and everyone that has been through sacred depths.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You are complete already.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): whole unto yourself. Your heart is the barometer for what is right in your life.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You have choice.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): At any moment you can choose to step into the flow, step into your flow, and move with the energy.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): honor yourself.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): love yourself know that you were put
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): on this planet to do important things with your love
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): open. open. open more. you are ready.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): always, ever unfolding.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You are trust.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): knowing, knowing, knowing, no matter what
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you are here.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and that counts.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you are magic
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): without effort. You are magic.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and you are so important.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): alive. pulsating. bursting.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): opening, moving
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you? Are you
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in all of your beauty, love, wisdom, anger, and grief? You are you in all your perfect imperfection you are you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and you are so important.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You are sacred. holy
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): holder of mysteries.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You are called.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You hear the call. Even if you don't understand it yet
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you matter. You've always mattered.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You are the one you've been waiting for.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And so with that. and just want to one more time, share all
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): of my gratitude for
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): taking this journey.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for your presence, for your wisdom, for your heart.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for your trust in me to hold space for this journey, for all the ways you've shown up or not shown up, shared, not shared just for being you. It really is.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): is one of the biggest privileges of my life to be able
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to be on this journey with you, and to share it, and it has
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): brought so much to me to be with all of you this last year, and to know you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And as I said earlier, I'm a relationships person. I know that I'm gonna be continuing with a lot of you in advance and or embody, and even not.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'm a relationships person, and I care about you, and I am here.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I really want to keep in touch, and my door is always always open, and you will hear a check-in from me at some point.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And in so saying.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the work of this circle is done.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): but really only just begun.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): May you return to your ordinary lives, extraordinary humans and practitioners! May you walk
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): with the knowing in your heart that your work and you matter so much.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): May you always know this, and may bring all of yourself forward, not just for you, but for ripple effects in the world.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So much love so many hugs all around so much gratitude. Thank you. Thank you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So you'll get some wrap up emails if you're thinking about embody. Please come, join us. If you have questions, let me know. I'll hang on the line. If anybody has any questions about anything, if not, I know I will see you in one way or another, and I hope it's sooner than later.