Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Hi! Everybody welcome.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Alright, as we get going into our time together today. First of all, I wanna apologize if you can't see me so well on the video. We're having extreme weather here, and because of that, it's very, very dark. I have on as much light, but it's almost like it's night here.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So that's why the lighting isn't so great. Also, hopefully, you won't hear. There's supposed to be tornadoes. There's been a lot of thunder hopefully. That sound won't come through, or either of my kids screaming
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): when the thunder comes through which has already happened. They cancelled school today. It's like it's one of those days. So I'm just apologizing in advance for that.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): The good news is that because it's a practicum today? I think what we're gonna do is II will ask one of you to be the volunteer coach, and we'll have a volunteer client, and I'll put myself off for a bit of time on mute. So you won't hear a lot of the background noises.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So that's what we're gonna do today. We are gonna have a practicum, and I always love practicum time because it it really
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): is an opportunity to pause to not necessarily take in a ton of new information, but instead to really integrate
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): everything that we've been learning and it it. There is always learning to be had when we intentionally observe
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): coaching
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): right? There's learning to be had from the masterful things that happen in the coaching session. There's learning to be had from the what could have maybe done this differently, or that, done differently as well.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So we'll have that time to observe
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and then breakdown and and integrate even further
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): before we get there. I want to share. I mentioned last week
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that I know that some of you have
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): questions and or concerns, slash worries, slash anxieties
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): about certification, making sure that you get all your certification requirements done, and that you pass certification, and I promise last week that I would set up a call
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for all of you with Caitlin, who is really the best person to talk about the logistics, pieces of certification, and what any questions that you have or concerns about? Oh, my gosh! I'm so far behind with certification. How am I going to get it done? She'll help you figure that out. So we'll send an email out about it. But just to mark your calendars. Now, that'll happen next Thursday at 2 Eastern.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): We'll also record it if you can't make it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and of course.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): if you can't make it also feel free to send in questions
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): about it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): From me. I've been saying this all along, but I'm just I'm gonna say it again. If you want to get certified, I promise you you will get certified.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): That is a pinky promise to you if you are committed. We, me and Caitlin will help that make that happen for you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Now the one thing Caitlin will probably talk about this, but I think it's also important just to hear it from my mouth. If I haven't already said this.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): one of the requirements for certification is for you to submit a recording of your coaching
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for the team to review. Now, it's a little bit different than the mid program submission
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in that. In in this one it's
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you have to kind of pass
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in a way right?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): A couple of things to know. And and Caitlin will get into more of the details of this. But then I'm gonna share a few details. But then this is what I want you all to hear. So we're gonna be looking at foundational skills for this. We're gonna be looking at energetics. You get a score, I think, from one to 5. I think you need at least
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): 3 or 4. This is where the details you don't want to hear from me, but you need a certain score on energetics. on listening, on creating awareness.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): on questioning, and on visioning and strategizing.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): If you want to add in befriend your fear, if you want to add in wheel of self sabotage, all of that is great. But even within those techniques
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): we're looking at. What are the found? How, how are you doing in the foundational skills with all of it? Right? Because that that covers everything in a way.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Here's the piece that I want you to hear from me.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Some people pass on the first recording.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Some people don't pass on the first reporting.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): If you don't pass on the first recording. There are a couple things that I want you to know. Number one. It doesn't mean that you're not amazing. It doesn't mean that you're not an incredible practitioner.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): It means nothing other than we know that you're here because you have the highest standards, and we have the highest standards and part of why you've invested in this program
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): is for you to come out the absolute best that you can be. And so we're nitpicky
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): on this recording. Not impossibly right? But we're nitpicky for your benefit, not because it's it's a value judgment on on that just one recording in time value judgment on you. Right? It's because we know you want to be the best of the best. We want you to be the best of the best.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): If
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): we see some things that we're like, you know, this could be tweaked and that could be tweaked. We're going to give you that feedback
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): so that you can work on it, not only just for certification, right, but for for you and your practice.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And that's it. And then you submit another one, and I promise you you will pass on the second
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in some ways, and I'm just like really spinning this here. But I'm not speaking an untruth
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in some ways. It's actually a good thing to not pass on the first, because it will really inspire you to even get to that next place for yourself with the feedback that we give
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in your skills. So I don't. If, for whatever reason, you don't pass the first time. I want you to know.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Not that it matters, but I don't look at you in as less than in any way. Nobody on the team does. But, more importantly.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you should not.
Right. It is. It is just that we've got high standards.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that's all, and we are. We are moving you and inspiring you and lovingly nudging you towards the highest standards possible.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): any
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): thoughts or questions on that. Again, Caitlin will lay out all of the the specifics and the details. But just any anything that anybody wants to ask me
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): about certification for any concerns that you have.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): No.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Susan. Yeah.
Susan Hagan: I guess just on the timeline. From what I hear you saying, I know initially. we want to get everything in before the end of February. But if there is a not pass or
Susan Hagan: other issues, I take it there's some wiggle room.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Absolutely. Yeah. So will if you submit your recording, and it's not a pass. The first time, I mean. First of all, it takes
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Caitlin time to listen to all of the recordings, too. So you're not. Gonna we're not gonna be able to turn it around right away. II forget she she knows what her timelines are, and she'll share with you. But you know we kinda ask for a couple of weeks, Grace, anyway, because she really does spend a lot of time on those recordings. So depending on. When you submit, it'll be a few weeks before you even hear from us.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and if it's not a pass.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): she's she's gonna give you specific
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): instructions. You're not gonna be left like, Oh, my gosh! But now, what do I do? You'll have very, very specific instructions on what to tweak.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And then you have time to resubmit
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): after that.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah. Glad you asked any other thoughts or questions. Right now, yeah. Bri.
Brie Laridon: yeah. So as you know, I started a few months late into the program so it might take longer with me. But I emailed Caitlin a few days ago, and she might just be busy. I haven't heard back. I haven't gotten back my mid programme recording session yet, so without that feedback. It's hard to do my final.
Brie Laridon: And the other thing I let her know, and I've let her know this before.
Brie Laridon: so I'm I'm definitely planning like a 3 months away trip. And I'll be gone from like March
Brie Laridon: through mid-june, basically.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So let her know that. I was trying to get everything wrapped up before them. But, as you're saying, if it takes longer than I'll just be back in June, that's just what it is. I'll be out of the country and stuff. So yeah, we we are like, I said, we're gonna make it work for you. I just made a note. If if it's been a number of days, and you haven't heard from her. I suspect she didn't get the email. But I'll I'll check with her.
Brie Laridon: Okay, I can send her another email, too. That's fine. And maybe a Facebook message to just in case your emails are getting bounced for whatever reason from her emails. Yeah, alright sounds good. I just wanted to give an expectation to my coaching partner because I'm like, she's like we're doing the final one. I'm like, I've kind of feedback yet. So I don't want to do the final until I have that. So makes perfect sense. Okay, alright. Thank you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah. You're welcome
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): anyone else right now on certification or just any anything else.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'll be reminding you. Let me look at the calendar. You know our last call is on January 20 s. Oh, my Google just did something weird. So, you know, I'll I'll kind of be reminding you of all of this information. But we'll keep the Facebook group open till the end of the month.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and then what I'll do is we'll archive the group. So what that means is you can have access to go and look at any of the posts and comments, and you know anything that you might want to go back to. But
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): once it gets archived, nothing new can be added. As a side note, just for fe facilitation. I do that for container purposes. So cause it might be like, Oh, yeah, let's just keep the Facebook group going. And it's a way to keep on connecting, which is a beautiful idea. But I can tell you from years of doing this.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): it it just. It's kind of like this open, ended container. Then. And it's better to have a closure at the end
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): of a container. so you'll have access
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to all of everything in there. But we'll we'll kind of just like close it for comments. At the end of the month. I'll send out a whole email with just any other logistical things about believe or coming to the end. At the end of the program. One of the things I'll also send you in that email is a request for a testimonial about sacred depth. If you feel only if you feel called to write one but if you have valued this experience.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and you are willing, it would not only just fill my heart to be able to read it and take it in. But also it
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): would just be so appreciated, is so helpful to share your words with other people who are considering the training.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Maria.
Maria Chowdhury: I have a question that's not related to certification. Yeah. And you mentioned Facebook group. I remember asking a question in the Facebook group.
Maria Chowdhury: I wasn't very active on there, but I asked the question, and Caitlin said, Hey, I'll make this resource. And the question was a resource sheet about where to find certain pieces cause she put that together in December, and I looked over it and approved it.
Maria Chowdhury: Let me ask, maybe she did. That was a great question that you asked in the Facebook group. Maria and I know for sure she put it together, cause I looked at it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'm just making another note.
Maria Chowdhury: Well, maybe she just dropped it in the member center and forgot to put an email on it. So I'll I'll find out about that. But we have that done and ready to go
perfect
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): anyone else any other questions right now.
Yeah.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): okay.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): so with that, let's move into our practicum.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): we will do. Let's 1246. We'll do 30 min
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): of a coaching session.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Where you can feel free to bring in E everything we've learned right since beginning of time, and also any anything that you wanna bring in
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I would love to and, as I always say when I ask for volunteers, whether it's the volunteer coach or the volunteer client. Don't be insulted if I don't choose you. I usually just like quick glance at the at the names with that hands raised, and just kind of intuitively a name kind of pops out to me, and that's what I go with, and I often don't even see
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): all the names. So let me ask for a volunteer coach first. Don't be shy. You have acquired so many incredible skills over the last months.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Don't, if you're like I wanna be the volunteer coach. But the myth of perfection is getting in your way. I just wanna remind you there is no such thing as perfection. You're amazing, and this is gonna be for all of our learning.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So please raise your hand. Who would like to do some volunteer coaching and get some feedback on your coaching.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and give everyone 20 s, and then I take a look at the Sidebar.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Alright.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But, Catherine.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): let's go with you. Let me see first, Kristen. Thank you for volunteering
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): alright. And then who's got something that they'd like to be coached on today? Who'd like to be a volunteer client.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Raise your hand.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and it's kind of awesome because you get to be coached.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): not just by the coach, but when we break things down. You kind of get everybody reflections and questions, too.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Alright, Lara, thank you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay. So I'm gonna work on the tech piece in a moment of getting Lara and Katherine pinned so that we can see both of them. Katherine, when we start you'll have 30 min.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Keep time, but I'll also let you know.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): when you've you know when time is up. I'm gonna request for everyone. Let's not share in the chat during those 30 min.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Let's really focus attention on the coaching fully
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and for everybody that is listening and observing. I want you to be a really active listener.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): an observer, and I want to invite you to take notes
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): as you're listening. I wanna invite you to take notes on anything that you hear that you're like. That that was really good. That was masterful. I loved that question. I loved that reflection. I loved that moment of pause. Right? And any anything that you observe that it feels important to pull on of that worked really well.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I also want you to be listening and observing for a couple of other things. So what maybe didn't work
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): so well?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What is something that you might have done differently?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What is maybe a different direction? You may have gone in, even if it worked well, like oh, but this was another pathway that we could have gotten on. What is maybe a different kind of question. You might have asked in a moment.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): when when is a moment? You may have dropped down into the body instead of staying with the head? Right? All of that I want everyone to pay attention. And, Catherine, you 2 to the 4 levels of learning and processing
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): are those 4 levels of learning and processing being activated.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I also want everyone to pay attention to energetics. What are the energetics
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in the session?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And then another thing, if you're observing, that would be a great thing to jot down is, if you have a question for the coach. meaning
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you're interested in. Why Katherine made a certain word, choice or question choice, or any choice. And you, you want to kind of understand more
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): about that.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Make sense.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): okay, so give me a moment. So just do this tech
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): piece here. Okay, allow multi-PIN.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Pinlara
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): got a PIN. Catherine.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay, Katherine. Only other thing is you can choose to like. Do a grounding in the beginning, or you can trust that we're kind of in the container.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And she's grounded, but obviously still, obviously still, think about energetics, and you know, setting some container, we'll we'll call start time at 1253.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I'll put myself on mute.
Katherine: I have one question before we start. Is I? Wanna
Katherine: right now I'm just seeing Joanna.
Katherine: Laura, are you on video? Or are you just dialing in? Is your video off?
Lara Wilde: Yeah, my video's off. I'm sorry I can't turn it on because I don't have the really good Internet.
Katherine: Okay? Well, I think what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna turn my video off as well. And then I won't be looking at the screen, because right now I'm just seeing as myself and others. So I'm just gonna do that.
Katherine: okay.
Katherine: nice, Laura. Thank you for agreeing to
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Wait, Katherine, I'm sorry I was talking, but I didn't realize I was on mute.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): This is where my tech knowledge is not great.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I pinned my screen so I can see
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): just Lara and Catherine, and I thought that that pinned it for everybody in the group. But it might not have. So everybody. If you want
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to go ahead and PIN if you can, Catherine and Lara.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): hopefully, that will work. If not you know, we'll just go
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the way that we're going.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): or spotlight them. Thank you, Maria.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Oh, Catherine, take it away. We'll start at 1254.
Katherine: Oh, okay.
Katherine: have sounds good, Laura. Is there anything that you would like to do to
Katherine: to settle in, or or ground before before we get started?
Lara Wilde: I'll just take a deep breath. I'm a little bit nervous, but
Lara Wilde: I'll be okay.
Katherine: Nice. I'm gonna I'm gonna take a deep breath as well. I'm I'm also nervous, so I think it makes sense that both of us
Katherine: would be in this
Katherine: in this setting.
Katherine: is there is there anything that you need from me or from the group that would make this feel
Katherine: more comfortable.
Lara Wilde: No, I'm okay. I just my my question is about a new coaching program that I want to that I'm creating.
Lara Wilde: And I just wanted some support with that.
Katherine: Oh, nice! What? What? What feels like? A specific part that that needs support.
Lara Wilde: Well, I'm wondering if you can maybe talk me through my title and description, and see if it really
Lara Wilde: represents what I want to do with the program. And yeah, maybe get a little more clear on what I want to do with the program.
Katherine: nice. So you're looking both
Katherine: to kind of feel out if the if the title itself
Katherine: is communicating
Katherine: the the content and purpose of the program. And then is there also a question about the program itself.
Lara Wilde: A,
Lara Wilde: well, just just just yeah. Make sure the title and description are clear, and that I'm also clear about what I'm doing with the program? So
Lara Wilde: what? What?
Lara Wilde: Yeah, like? Who?
Lara Wilde: Who? It's helping and
Lara Wilde: attracting, you know.
Lara Wilde: does that make sense?
Katherine: Yeah. So being being clear about yeah, who the program is for?
Katherine: is, is that is that correct?
Lara Wilde: Right? Yeah. The purpose of it. What you know like the promise of it.
Lara Wilde: And who would be attracted to it.
Lara Wilde: It sounds like a lot, but it's kind of all the same thing, I think.
Katherine: What would it be helpful to start. Would you like to?
Katherine: to just say kind of what your what your pitch or your descriptive, your descriptive your description is?
Lara Wilde: Yes, so what I have so far is
Lara Wilde: I titled it Wild Evolution, because that's a title that I have had in my mind of
Lara Wilde: the way I want to coach is to help
Lara Wilde: people
Lara Wilde: start to see patterns in their life and
Lara Wilde: evolve. Anyway, that's just a name I've had for a long time. So I'm thinking about using that name. And the
Lara Wilde: and the description is a 90 day. Healthy habit building mastermind. It's kind of long
Lara Wilde: a 90 day, healthy habit building mastermind for a lasting change, and I like the 90 day part doesn't need to be on there. But
Lara Wilde: so basically healthy habit building mastermind for lasting change.
Katherine: And what?
Katherine: Okay. So the the just to be clear, the the title is wild Evolution.
Katherine: And then, with the description, A 90 day, healthy habit building mastermind for lasting change.
Lara Wilde: Yeah, yes.
Katherine: And
Katherine: And as the question like, Does this, does this speak to the
Katherine: to the client that you want it
Katherine: to speak to
Lara Wilde: right right like. I guess, like one of my questions is, there are people
Lara Wilde: my one of my questions was, are people aware that they, you know, like, when you're titling
Lara Wilde: something. This is what I hear in all my marketing stuff like you, wanna you want to. Are people asking for this
Lara Wilde: are people. Is this actually something that people want? It's just something people are gonna pay money for healthy habit building.
Lara Wilde: So I was asking myself that. And then I opened up an email from a I can't remember his name right now. But he wrote the
Lara Wilde: the habit book. That's the atomic habits. And I, yeah, I got an email from him that said
Lara Wilde: his book was number one on Amazon in all categories
Lara Wilde: number one book. And so I think. Okay. People are aware that they need
Lara Wilde: healthy habits, not necessarily healthy habits, but you know, most people are aware that they need habits. They need to work on their habits, and that their habits affect their lifestyle
Lara Wilde: and their outcome. And so I think, okay, maybe this is something that people want. Cause. I was going back and forth with healthy lifestyle or healthy habits.
Lara Wilde: and habits are something I've been talking about for the last 20 years, and so it's something I would love to talk more about
Lara Wilde: and help people with.
Katherine: So I guess one of I mean, my first question is, Who who is the ideal client for this.
Katherine: this course
Katherine: for you. Well.
Lara Wilde: yeah, for me. So in in my mind, it's somebody that is aware that their habits are affecting their outcomes.
Lara Wilde: and they.
Lara Wilde: you know, especially this time of year. They're motivated to
Lara Wilde: look at that and start working on that
Lara Wilde: and somebody who is
Lara Wilde: well, so the program isn't necessarily, it's it's not. So this is kind of the question. My mind, the programs not gonna be like, okay, we're gonna work on habits. And we're gonna change. And you're gonna lose weight. And you're, gonna you know, get your house organized. That's not what this is.
Lara Wilde: So this is a big piece of it. So what this is is getting people aware of what their habits are right now.
Lara Wilde: and just to learn how to start tracking them, because I use. you know, notes or tracking system to track my habits, not necessarily to
Lara Wilde: try to force myself to change my habits right now, but to just become aware of what's actually happening like, how much sleep am I getting?
Lara Wilde: How often am I working on my business, or how often you know how much time every day am I spending on my business or
Lara Wilde: or home schooling, my son, or you know, etc.? Am I walking every day? Am I getting outside every day.
Lara Wilde: So
Lara Wilde: it it's really I want it to be for people who maybe have felt kind of beat up in the past about about these things, like people that have been really hard on themselves about maybe
Lara Wilde: some of their habits and
Lara Wilde: have
Lara Wilde: tried, the, you know, like boot camp
Lara Wilde: method of. I'm gonna
Lara Wilde: I'm gonna change this habit, you know. I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna put all this effort into it and change it, you know, especially this time of year, and then nothing changes.
Lara Wilde: and
Lara Wilde: I would like to help them become aware of the fact that that habit of all or nothing
Lara Wilde: is part of the problem right?
Lara Wilde: Like, that's also one of their habits, because it's been one of my habits is to
Lara Wilde: Try to go, you know, 100% change a habit.
Lara Wilde: and then I can't sustain it.
Lara Wilde: and then I do nothing for a long time. Do you know what I mean? So that's the part where it says, lasting for lasting change.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): guys, it's Joanna I just, I want to pause the session here for one moment. you know, I usually say this before we do a practicum. And I didn't say this this time, and I just wanna be clear. We just we can't expect Catherine like I just wanna make sure we don't get into business consulting in the session, because that might not be Catherine's expertise. And we're looking for learning about coaching skills.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So we're not Catherine, this is a reminder for you and Lara. This is also a reminder for you. What's not gonna be helpful for our learning. Here is for Catherine to try to give feedback
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): on titles or anything like that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): or anything that maybe a business consultant might do. What's gonna be helpful is for Lara for you to ask, and Catherine for you to gear towards, how to reflect, and polara create awareness and ask questions that will help Lara gain access her inner wisdom.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): She has. So I'm sorry to interrupt, but I just like I could see how this could go into the consulting mode, and II wanted to make sure we didn't go go there, so I'll give you an extra minute on the timer, and I'll I'll let you all jump back in
Katherine: cool.
Katherine: thank you, Joanna. And actually, it's
Katherine: I mean, one of the things so I just need to take a moment to get back
Katherine: where we were is just listening. And I mean the thing that really what I appreciate hearing is
Katherine: So I just wanna say I'm having a moment of trying to resell what was about to come out to sort of spontaneously in the moment. And so I'm I'm self conscious and aware of the sort of
Katherine: feeling more robotic or less kind of spontaneous with this. But
Katherine: I guess what came to me is I really appreciate. What I heard was a lot of gentleness in
Katherine: in this description of the, you know, building a building building awareness.
Katherine: and
Katherine: that essentially, I mean, it sounds like a kind of anti boot camp
Katherine: dealing or ethos. I'm not sure of of the word.
Lara Wilde: Yeah, yeah, that's exactly right.
Lara Wilde: is.
Lara Wilde: yeah, I just want to be really.
Lara Wilde: really clear on that with with myself, I guess. And and the clients is that that's not. That's not what this is that?
Lara Wilde: I guess II guess I, as far as the coaching is that I I've gotten stuck there for a long time where I feel like people want change, you know. They want something right now, and I feel like I have to offer
Lara Wilde: something different than what I'm really offering, you know. And and I don't want it to hold me back. I'd let it hold me back from making offers.
Katherine: So that's probably the coaching piece right here is that
Lara Wilde: I'm not sure what I'm offering is what people are willing to pay for. And I let it hold me back.
Katherine: Yeah, I mean, I.
Katherine: So I just need to pause a moment.
Katherine: so I guess I
Katherine: I'm going back and forth between wanting to ask questions and wanting to give feedback. And I think, Joanna, being sensitive
Katherine: to you're sort of saying this isn't a consulting session, and I wanna just be abundantly clear that the reflection or feedback that I'm giving is within
Katherine: coaching and just listening to you around this, and not
Katherine: me offering any sort of business consulting
Katherine: Anna, and
Katherine: you know it. I guess it sounds to me that
Katherine: you have a very particular person.
Katherine: in mind of, you know this person who has been hard on themselves, who is not getting traction because of because of the approach to change.
Katherine: am I? Am I hearing? Am I hearing that correctly?
Lara Wilde: Yes.
Katherine: you know, and that there's this real softness, gentleness. whatever the opposite of this sort of. I just had this kind of anti boot camp, you know it's not this. It's not this that there's a gentleness and a slowness and awareness.
Katherine: I guess one piece of me wants to ask to kind of go back to the description you've already shared
Katherine: But I also, just in my own feelings about wildness. and
Katherine: wildness. As an
Katherine: actually, I have my own thoughts. But I wanna? I wanna hold off on this? What
Katherine: What do the words.
Katherine: or what does the word wild and the world of word evolution like? What do they evoke for you like?
Katherine: With what meaning do those words carry for you?
Lara Wilde: Well, personally. yeah, the wild is like. off on your own journey. Adventure doing
Lara Wilde: the unknown being.
you know, finding finding joy and satisfaction in forging a new path, I guess.
Lara Wilde: And
Lara Wilde: yeah, that's that's the wild part.
Katherine: And when you imagine for your for yourself this wildness like you. because it sounds to me that that this sort of path to creating this program really came from your own experience that it's a very
Katherine: embodied and lived experience of yours. This sort of attempt at changing habits and coming up against
Katherine: the sort of strident kind of boot camp mentality to change
Lara Wilde: yeah, very personal.
Katherine: And when you kind of consider that and then move into this idea of being, wild, like, how
Katherine: how does wild for you feel different than
Katherine: than the boot camp version of change?
Lara Wilde: this is really good. That's a really good question.
Lara Wilde: I wild is like this just came to mind. Something I've been thinking lately is like the forest is wild. and there's nothing wrong with it.
Lara Wilde: It is what it is.
Lara Wilde: and it works itself out. And you know it's nature. It's like being one with nature and realizing that we are nature, and
Lara Wilde: there's nothing wrong with our journey. There's nothing that needs to be fixed. It's, you know, like we say, here it, we're whole and complete the way we are. and we have our habits, our habits are there for a reason.
Lara Wilde: and
Lara Wilde: I want to help people, you know. Even the habit of
Lara Wilde: being frustrated with your habits. Is there for a reason? And it's okay. I want to explore all of that in in this program and help people to begin to explore it
Lara Wilde: and to be
Lara Wilde: excited about the wildness of
Lara Wilde: of their life and their journey.
Katherine: Yeah, that the I I've I've I love this imagery of like the the you know, being in the forest and the forest is wild, and there's nothing wrong with that. And
Katherine: If you, if you were to create this, this container, this create this little world?
Katherine: in which.
Katherine: you know, people were attempting to change. What? What are the things that
Katherine: like? What elements would you want to have in that
Lara Wilde: I'm not getting any thoughts. Could you rephrase that?
Katherine: Yeah. Actually, I'm
Katherine: I'm going to take just one moment because I had a question and lost it, and then tried to find it again. So I'm just going to be quiet for one moment and see if see if it comes comes back to me, or what what comes.
Lara Wilde: Okay.
Katherine: it's thinking for you.
Katherine: With your experience of change. what has felt most helpful.
Katherine: I want to scratch that one, too, unless, do you have an answer coming to you? Yeah, I have. I have one. Okay? Then I'd I'd love to hear that.
Lara Wilde: Okay.
Lara Wilde: so the the most helpful thing.
Lara Wilde: Well, the place I've been I've gotten the most stuck is thinking that.
Lara Wilde: Oh, this new thing is the answer. You know, if I can just do this.
Lara Wilde: and and then I do it, and it's helpful. And then I get stuck there thinking, Oh, this is it! I have arrived. and forgetting that it's a process, and this might be useful for now for today. But maybe next week it's not useful.
Lara Wilde: but I have found myself over the years getting stuck that way.
Lara Wilde: And you know, instead of being
Lara Wilde: with the flow and the seasons and all of that. So that's that's probably a good word to add to it is.
Lara Wilde: for you know.
Lara Wilde: the different seasons of our life and different tools can be helpful at different times.
Katherine: Yeah, another thing that that came to my mind is thinking of. You know, you're creating a program, you know, which is a container for people.
Katherine: and just very generally the the sort of promise that it sounds like. It's there is this, this ability to change. you know, but to change in a way where it's not fixing something that's broken, but
Katherine: evolving or moving on the path and the journey. and and
Katherine: you know I have this image of you in this forest, you know, in the forest and this wildness and
Katherine: I guess. What what is it
Katherine: I'm trying to connect?
Katherine: this sense of you being in the forest, and you having this knowledge about how change is made.
Katherine: And you having this feeling of being one with nature and flow that happens in the forest?
Katherine: is there? Is there a way? Do you see a connection between the forest and
Katherine: and the container that you're trying to create with this, with this course.
Lara Wilde: Okay, let me see if I understand the question. Do I see a connection between the
Lara Wilde: change in the forest and this course. Help me a little bit.
Katherine: I guess when when you were talking about you know what makes wild like. How does Wild speak to you
Katherine: and it felt like, you know, when you were when you were. So you were talking about earlier, about like habits and changes, and just bringing awareness, and there was this ease and gentleness to it.
Katherine: And then talking about the the forest and the journey, and joy and satisfaction,
Katherine: and And the force is also. Do you have some connection to the force that feels perhaps different than
Katherine: then? What someone else might see in which the scare. The forest is scary, or you know the dark woods.
Katherine: And it feels like you have a real sense of joy or safety that comes from that, that wildness and that forest.
Lara Wilde: Oh, yeah, yeah, I see that. Yeah, I see that because
Lara Wilde: because I've learned to cause the yeah, you're right. This forest is. It's adventurous, but it can also be scary and dangerous. And so some people
Lara Wilde: might not want to see themselves there.
Lara Wilde: And
Lara Wilde: I've learned to find
Lara Wilde: the the only. My word is parish
Lara Wilde: the hard times
Lara Wilde: like I've had some really hard times, and
Lara Wilde: I've learned to cherish those just as much as the good times.
Katherine: and
Lara Wilde: even had a conversation with the friend about it, where he said, like I lost a child, and he said, I said, if you could take that pain away from me.
Lara Wilde: Would. I want you to. And he's like, of course, of course, you would want someone to take that pain away, and I said, no. The last thing I would want is to lose that experience that I went through.
Lara Wilde: I cherish it so much, and it's taught me to cherish all of the bad times.
Lara Wilde: Even like witnessing my children going through hard times or
Lara Wilde: or friends
Lara Wilde: like I cherish those moments that I get to spend with them experiencing that with them?
Katherine: Yes, I
Katherine: I feel like as you're saying, that just this just this huge embrace of what of what is
Katherine: you know? Wonder like, with this idea of cherishing?
Katherine: And I need. I'm gonna pause one more one more time.
Katherine: What is that quality of cherishing everything like cherishing that pain.
Katherine: you know, and cherishing, cherishing the good experiences and the bad.
Katherine: How does that feel like it relates to
Katherine: this idea of changing our habits and sort of changing the journey, that
Katherine: or I'll just leave it at that like changing our habits.
Lara Wilde: Well, I wanna say accepting.
Lara Wilde: but that doesn't seem descriptive enough.
Lara Wilde: but accepting ourselves for where we are at and accepting the process
Lara Wilde: and being
Lara Wilde: comfortable there. But it's more than accepting and being comfortable. You know
Katherine: what is allowed to happen for a person when they are accepting of themselves and where they are.
Lara Wilde: while it gets
Lara Wilde: it gets beyond the fear it it allows
Lara Wilde: a space to
Lara Wilde: grow.
Lara Wilde: That's not coming from a place of fear, you know, like the fear holding us back.
Lara Wilde: It's like a pause and a space to.
you know. Access your resources from
Lara Wilde: you know, it's like feeling grounded
Lara Wilde: enough to access your resources.
Lara Wilde: And then. if change needs to happen, then it can happen from that place, instead of a place of fear and feelings, you know. feeling stuck well like
Lara Wilde: we feel stuck, we feel afraid. So then we try to force the change to happen. And then that kind of change is usually not
Lara Wilde: heading us in the direction that we actually wanted to go.
Katherine: And I like.
Katherine: I think we only have. I think, what time that we have 1 min or 2 min I think we started at. We started at 12 until 1 25 or 126.
Katherine: I mean, II just everything that you just said feels so beautiful to me that you know space to grow, to get beyond the fear to access your own resources. And then, if change needs to happen which feels very different than I have to make a change.
Katherine: And I'm going to. I'm going to boot camp through this.
Katherine: that
Katherine: that with this, you know, with these awarenesses.
Katherine: but and anyway, I'll
Katherine: always trying to keep myself from talking too much, I heard you say, to like
Katherine: a space to grow that is beyond the fear
Katherine: to access your own resources, and then, if change needs to happen. allowing it to come
Katherine: allowing it to come as my as my words.
Katherine: And I'm wondering if if those, if those words that you just share does that does that feel like what you're trying to
Katherine: to get to with the with the program.
Lara Wilde: I feel like this description doesn't come even close to describing what I want to do with the program.
Lara Wilde: I mean, the wild evolution does. I guess the title I still like the title. I think that fits but description part sounds too robotic. It sounds, too.
Lara Wilde: You know
Lara Wilde: what every other habit book out there is talking about.
Lara Wilde: It doesn't, except for the lasting change part. But
Lara Wilde: the rest of it doesn't
Lara Wilde: describe what I want it to
Lara Wilde: alright I was. I guess it. It more describes what I think people want, unless what I
Lara Wilde: want the program to be.
Katherine: Yeah, I mean, II appreciate that you answered the question that way. And what I was, what I was meaning was sort of the words that I had shared, that you had just shared. if that felt more like the tone of what you were going for.
Lara Wilde: Yes, yeah, for sure. Yeah. I felt really good when I was saying those words that felt really good.
Katherine: cause? Yeah, I think so, I guess.
Katherine: Oh, go ahead.
Lara Wilde: Yeah. So that's that's where I get stuck, thinking
Lara Wilde: I need to say things a certain way.
Lara Wilde: thinking, thinking that people can't understand. or they don't want the way I'm saying it. cause, I guess, because the people in my life in my immediate life
Lara Wilde: can't hear it, I think. Oh, nobody can hear it, but obviously they can. I'm in this group.
Lara Wilde: Dozens of people who
Lara Wilde: can hear this type of thing, and
Lara Wilde: but but where I get stuck is that you know you all are not in my immediate sphere of influence.
Lara Wilde: You are not the ones that are following my me on social media. You're not the ones that I'm talking to when I go out socially, you know.
Lara Wilde: So I guess that's where I feel stuck.
Katherine: yeah, I'm I'm I know that we're out of time, and
Katherine: III just wanna reflect back that I think the things that I heard I mean, I guess the question that I would
Katherine: been kind of meaning to ask and wanting to ask is.
Katherine: what are the things that people you know the clarity like? What is it people need to make change
Katherine: that lasts? And I heard so much about safety and self acceptance and space to grow, and it feels like
Katherine: like. That's a real that's a real offering and not saying that's the wording, not saying that goes in the title, but that
Katherine: that that feels like that feels like something.
Katherine: and
Katherine: I think, do you have it just as we close. Is there anything you'd like to add, or anything you'd like to take away?
Katherine: what would you like to take away from from this.
Lara Wilde: Well, I really appreciate your questions and your feedback. It felt
Lara Wilde: like this. This was really really
Lara Wilde: opening to me and helping me helping me see this more clearly. So it's exactly what I wanted. And
Lara Wilde: you, you just saying that like this feels real. This feels like a real offer
Lara Wilde: makes me feel
Lara Wilde: like hopeful that it a it actually is that I could just offer what I actually wanna offer and
Lara Wilde: being open to people finding it that need it
Katherine: and want it.
Lara Wilde: So I really appreciate that
Katherine: nice. alright? Well, thank you for. Thank you for putting yourself out there and sharing for this
this practice.
Lara Wilde: Thank you. Thank you so much that this is just what I needed.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah, right? Yay.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So well done, so well done. Thank you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Catherine, and thank you. Lara. I took a lot of notes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I hope
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): everyone took notes. Katherine. Let me talk to you first.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What do you want to celebrate from that session. What's what's one thing that you feel went really well?
Katherine: I mean, I think
Katherine: I was able to ask some like clarifying questions. I really, I have this thing that I,
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I think, was one of the questions I was starting to ask when I lost my train of thought. Yeah. And I'm so sorry that I interrupted. I was just worried that it was gonna you would feel pressured to go off into a consulting mode, and it felt important to to just share that, and for everybody's learning. But I I'm sorry that kind of help made you lose your train of thought.
Katherine: Yeah, it's I mean it. It did. I mean, I think it's fine. I'm glad I'm really glad that we have this to kind of talk through. I mean, I think the thing that I just wanna say before I forget this again, because it's the after, you know. And then I really want feedback
Katherine: is, I was trying to connect. I felt like when someone. when someone is wanting to change, they're reaching for something. And like Lars talking about the woods like it. It felt like
Katherine: there's some container that is the woods that gives her comfort, and she has this way of looking at it and translating that back to like when someone is wanting change like, what are they?
Katherine: And I kept feeling that connection and just not knowing how to
Katherine: how to get there.
Katherine: and also curious, like what? As a coach.
Katherine: what is the thing that we want her to walk
Katherine: away with, or sort of what? You know, always kind of having this wonder of like, where are we trying to go like? And my Mo. Is just to keep asking questions, but not necessarily like, I never feel like I know, like, oh, we're trying to get here.
Katherine: So anyway, I'm gonna
Katherine: no let's I think those are important pieces. I wanna come back to what you wanna celebrate and look at the th things that went well. But I think these pieces that you're sharing. Let's address them because I think they were front and center in the session. So let's take a look so
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I loved personally that I could see you were trying to make this connection, which was so. I just think, intuitive and incredible listening that you did between this, like the forest and the wildness, and then the container of the program. And
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you did ask some really good, make some good reflections on that, and ask some good questions on it.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I think the reason why. And you know, Lara, you can tell us. I think it did activate new ideas and some awareness is for Lara. But my sense is the reason why Lara didn't totally go there with you
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): on. It has less to do with how you articulated it. and more to do with
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the second piece that you're talking about, which is what was the intention of the call.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you did a great job in the beginning of like susing out. You know, Lara out the gate, said II wanna talk about the the title of the program and the program itself, and you did such a great job, Katherine, out the gate to both like, Reflect back. You want
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to. You want to feel more clear on the title, and then you ask this great question. And then what specifically about the program? Do you want support on you? You're kind of trying to like Sus it out so you'd know where to go. And
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Lara answered, and you even asked, is there a question about the program? Even? Lara answered. I wanna make sure I'm clear on the purpose and the promise and the ideal client.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): anyway, where am I going with this?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): When I interrupted, it was because I saw it was going more in a a little bit in a consulting thing. And right after that Lara said, well, I guess the coaching piece here for me is I hold myself back from all of this and getting clear, and I'll just putting myself out there because I'm scared that people aren't going to pay
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): for for this. And and you know, and I think that's why she didn't totally go there with your questions, because that that there was still this
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): hesitation you're going into, like all the beauty of the program, and the and the wild, and this beautiful way that she that Lara is putting it. But there's still this block of like, but the softness which is so astutely reflected back. And these metaphors of the forest.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Lara is still thinking, nobody wants to pay for this. This is language that most people aren't going to even be interested in. People want the, you know. So
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I think
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): when you ask this question of intentions, I think one of the intentions was around, how to be, not how to not feel so blocked that what I wanna put out there is what people are gonna want.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Now. I could have been re like hearing that all wrong.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I make mistakes all the time, too. So, Lara, I want to hear from you what is what is resonating, if anything, from what I've just been going on and off.
Lara Wilde: It's been good listening to both of you to talk through this
Lara Wilde: on so many levels. I, personally am as a coach. But
Lara Wilde: yeah, I felt II did feel really stuck there, but I felt like Katherine was trying to help me see the value.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah.
Lara Wilde: what I was doing, and maybe help me see a way.
Lara Wilde: See the container in a way
Lara Wilde: that was more valuable
Lara Wilde: in my mind
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): absolutely, and that was brilliant, and such a great line of questioning, and I still felt hesitation from you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): It was like, Oh, but is this just more wu talk that people are? I don't know whatever it is.
Lara Wilde: Yeah, but II really appreciate her her getting that out, she was saying, the the container of the woods and the program, because that's given me a lot of things that I can go forward and think about.
Lara Wilde: Yeah, absolutely so. But yeah, II agree with you that I was so stuck on this one thing that it was making it hard for me to
Lara Wilde: go through. Go through it fully.
Lara Wilde: Yeah, the the path that she was taking me up down
Katherine: the best sort of banner coaching process like is
Katherine: cause. I heard her also say, like the fear, and I think part of it was like
Katherine: that felt like a
Katherine: big thing, and I just been sort of like kind of taken out by the interjection, and it was like, you know,
Katherine: and and
Katherine: but it's like one idea that, you know. If if by just sort of addressing the fear and kind of releasing that fear that she would have been like. Well, what I would really call it is a blah blah to blah blah blah, you know, like, if if that was kind of
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): lifted that it would have just gone there. Who knows? Right? That's where we can't be attached to results or outcomes like we can be. We want to fulfill intentions. But we don't know where it's gonna go. She might have like. I love wild evolution. She already loves wild evolution, you know, and to say, and I made this as a note, it's not that you had to necessarily go in and do a byf
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): on that, and address the fear head on.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I think, where you went from there. And this is what I made a note on is another way of addressing the fear which is he went. Into what meaning does Wilde evolution evoke? For you know this way of addressing the fear by helping the clients see the the deeper value and get more excited.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): So it just needed a little bit of a bridge there, like an acknowledgement after she said, I'm not sure what I'm offering is what people are willing to pay for, and that's what's holding me back. Those were almost her exact words
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): to just build that bridge between that concern and to say, Okay, so let's let's explore more about
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what you've already come up with. You know that you like that are your words, wild evolution? Let's get deeper into it to see
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): if if that is really the direction you want to go with, or you know, something like that. But just it. It felt like
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that statement was dropped almost like a bomb, and then it just needed a little bit of a bridge to where you were going next, or you could have addressed the fear directly.
Katherine: does that land? Yeah.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I want to pause on this just discussion for the group.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): with the understanding that yeah, I nothing I ever say is truth with a capital T. I'm just pulling forward ideas for us to all think about choices that we have. But I'd love to hear from the group
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): what what ideas are sparking for you from this particular topic that Katherine and Lara and I are talking about, or what are you learning? What's resonating for you here? What are you seeing.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Bruce?
Bruce | artichokedove.com: Can you hear me?
Bruce | artichokedove.com: II was driving, listening to a lot of it, so I didn't make a lot of notes, but just kind of listening to my gut and what was happening, and
Bruce | artichokedove.com: It all kind of came together when I got home. And thank you, Catherine, and Laura, for
Bruce | artichokedove.com: volunteering it, you know, takes a lot of courage, and I could tell. You're both nervous in the beginning. They both said that you're nervous, so
Bruce | artichokedove.com: I think when we coach sometimes
Bruce | artichokedove.com: things are messy, you know.
Bruce | artichokedove.com: and there's not.
Bruce | artichokedove.com: you know, there's not always this clear direction of things, but sometimes there's so much beauty in that.
Bruce | artichokedove.com: And I was thinking about the idea of the wild.
Bruce | artichokedove.com: the wilding, and the the and what it felt like to me was like, you're both in the wild. And then once in a while there was some clarity. Kinda look out, and then kind of get sucked back into it.
Bruce | artichokedove.com: And then, you know, you're back in that wild
Bruce | artichokedove.com: which is just an opportunity to just let things be wild and see what happens and what comes of it
Bruce | artichokedove.com: like. I don't think there always has to be a direct. You know I go away from coaching sessions. Sometimes I like
Bruce | artichokedove.com: wtf, right like what was what was that? And then I realize that I'm always coming away from a coaching session.
Bruce | artichokedove.com: either being coach or being coached by something with something percolating out of that. you know, just.
Bruce | artichokedove.com: And and I saw some of that happening at the end for Larry, and even some, you know, questions that were kind of not, you know, and but some really good questions, and you know.
Bruce | artichokedove.com: and it was. It was just this kind of wild thing that, you know. I don't know how Laura felt about it, but that just makes you think about things. Yeah.
Bruce | artichokedove.com: So anyway, that's kind of what was
Bruce | artichokedove.com: bubbling up for me.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): It's such great and important reflections. It is messy, you know. I mean, it's it's often
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): messy, more often messy than not, and that's that is part of the process. And I love the metaphor that they were in as they were talking about the wild
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): they they were in the wild with it, like that kind of got evoked that archetypal energy. That relates to also, you know, and then sometimes the coach.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): If there can be a meta awareness of that as we're coaching
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): it, we can bring that into the session to help create more awareness. So one of the questions that I wrote down at some point in there
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): was,
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): how can all of the wisdom
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and feeling about wildness that's coming forward
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): be applied to how you feel, Lara, about the program and the title and what you're offering sort of almost like make some meta connections
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in there as well.
Bruce | artichokedove.com: Just say one more thing about that. I wanted to say.
Bruce | artichokedove.com: I also love that Catherine pause, and just made it really
Bruce | artichokedove.com: intentional pause, like, just, I gotta pause here. I'm just. I'm in the wild and I'm not. I'm not sure where we're going. Here. What I'm doing. You know, some that we're you know how this is. Gonna go.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But you gave yourself that space which I thought was great. It was such an important demonstration for all of us around energetics, and not needing to have all the answers as the coach, and not needing to just like quickly have the next thing, and supporting slowness and regulation and experimentation in the container.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Maria.
Maria Chowdhury: I just want to bow to each of you. Yeah, I thought you did a beautiful job because I saw listening. You know, where a listener. And then I felt myself also becoming a practitioner and kind of like that same place that Joanna mentioned. I was like, I'd go there
Maria Chowdhury: right. That's where I would go. But then I was like, stop! Don't don't say where you would go. Just listen and experience what's going on. So what? But then what ultimately happened was something else was incredibly beautiful, was revealed, was about cherishing and about losing a child, and this pain and this beauty of being in the full spectrum of life and
Maria Chowdhury: going beyond fear. And so, if we would have just went stayed like in the 30 min super efficient hyper focused on trying to get a you know clarity on one thing. I think we would have missed
Maria Chowdhury: something that Laura shared that like. I don't know how you all felt, but I was moved. You know I was deeply moved by that that sharing. And so
Maria Chowdhury: yeah, I just am like echoing the wildness and the messiness. And then someone's asking about a detail for their business.
Maria Chowdhury: But then, ultimately share something that's so precious, so cherishing and so precious, that I just really appreciated the meandering of a person that loves being in the forest and in the wild. I love that meandering and the uncertainty of both person there was. You know what I mean. There was a lot of uncertainty and like exploration together. And so something beautiful was
Maria Chowdhury: revealed that I feel like has a real, significant component to this journey that she's going to lead people on.
Maria Chowdhury: And so I would somehow want to weave that cherishing into the habits somehow.
Maria Chowdhury: But so I'm just saying, Thank you. And just how I wanted to redirect and realizing. Don't do that, because what's about to come is so much more precious than the title
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): beautiful. Yes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): speaking of wildness. Our discussion, you know, you all know, my Virgo. I like to keep it in certain ways that I feel like we're getting wild here, which is great. But the one thing that I do wanna do before we hear more shares on what worked what you might have done differently. What questions you have is I do wanna give Catherine just an opportunity for you to share something that you wanna celebrate and that you feel you did really? Well.
Katherine: okay.
Katherine: I mean, I think one of the things. I mean.
Katherine: one of the things just
Katherine: not coaching specific, necessarily, but just sort of raising my hand and being like I'm just gonna show up, and I've
Katherine: I've been taking clients and
Katherine: and
Katherine: there's days when I'm tired. I'm like fuck. I don't want to do this, but I want to do this and I don't know if I feel good, and then I have a great session and just sort of trusting myself, trusting the client and trusting the coaching process.
Katherine: And so I think I was able to do that, and like raising my hand and like
Katherine: sticking with it when we were waiting forever to get started, you know, and doing that
Katherine: and and then also I mean as much as I feel like I have a list of all the things that I didn't acknowledge and didn't go that way. And didn't, you know.
Katherine: do like I do feel like
Katherine: like one of the things that I do well is sort of listening to the
Katherine: kind of spiritual beyond human, very human
Katherine: kind of whisper that's coming out of people like, Oh, there's meaning here like this is
Katherine: beautiful. This image means something that there's there's a deep. There's a deep reason that this is here, and I think that I listen well
Katherine: for that. And II think I did it
Katherine: here.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yes, agree 100% on both accounts. So the first piece with the raising the hand you're talking about energetics, and I saw those energetics throughout the session. Catherine, you were right there with the client. You were trusting yourself. You were trusting your client. Even as things were getting messy, you were in the process, and it was just a be beautiful
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): energetics, and then incredible listening and and hearing into things that Lara was saying. In in that II that bigger dimension, so so well done on those things and other things which I definitely have notes on, and I have the feeling other people want to share as well. So in the spirit of wildness, instead of going in order, let's just continue
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): anything you want to pull on what went well, what questions you have? What might you do differently. Jessica?
Jessica Dawson: Yeah. So thank you so much. Katherine and Laura like I really appreciate you both stepping up and putting yourself out there. In a way that I definitely would not have. And I just learned so much
Jessica Dawson: from both of you and from this experience. and
Jessica Dawson: yeah, I just, I want to really acknowledge that energetics as well, because even in all of that like. It was just right from the beginning. It felt like such such a safe space.
Jessica Dawson: That you are holding. And
I think I wanna bring it back around to like the piece around intention, because that was the big like learning for me, witnessing that and witnessing you both
Jessica Dawson: trying to navigate the wildness and like, particularly after Joanna jumped in and shared about the consulting. And then Lara mentioned about
Jessica Dawson: they now speaking of wild wildness, I'm getting nervous.
Jessica Dawson: mentioned about that piece about, you know, kind of holding yourself back from the office. and I wondered. I guess it reminded me of many times when I've been coaching, and I feel myself lost.
Jessica Dawson: and I wondered if it would have been helpful, or for myself if I had been in that situation to.
Jessica Dawson: I'm trying to think how to word this like, I was curious about checking in with Lara as to is this kind of like the new intention, or just like checking the direction that she wanted to go in from there.
Jessica Dawson: yeah. So that's kind of my thing. I found it just so so useful and so really helpful as a reminder. For me to keep checking back in with the clients. Thank you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah. I'm so glad that you're pulling on that, and, you know, to to Bruce's
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): point. Yes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): you know, messiness always allowed and welcomed, and oftentimes needed, and also just kind of like holding alongside. With that the more clear. Sometimes we can be more clear on intentions, sometimes we can be less clear on intentions on a particular session, but the more clear we can be on intentions.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the I don't want to say the less messy, the the something that that the
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): we just want to be clear as clear as we can be always on intentions. I'll just leave it at that.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Marla.
Marla Bollak: Hi! I know. Well, there was a lot going on here, but I'll just say one thing, and I think that
Marla Bollak: and a of a as as always, I could be wrong, but it seems like
Marla Bollak: I'm sorry, is it, Katherine?
Marla Bollak: Terrible things was really thrown at being. First of all, I could feel sense, the nervousness, and then the you know the thing with the video. And then it was just like a lot of buff stuff at the at the beginning. And then the question.
Marla Bollak: and I think that and I did notice with Bruce there was a good, so is the the energy management is the P is the part I'm looking at is that just like being centered, and Bruce brought up the thing about
Marla Bollak: stopping and saying, You know, good! Got to catch that question, but was recentering.
Marla Bollak: But here's the th the piece that so those are observations that you know may or may not be correct. But here's the thing.
Marla Bollak: If a client comes to you and says, I want to do something that you don't do. I think it's really okay to say I don't do that.
Marla Bollak: I'm not a business coach, or I'm not a trauma specialist.
Marla Bollak: and
Marla Bollak: then you could still go into it. I mean, I ipad, that we're out some. For instance, someone came to me and she wanted me to actually do like a coaching program
Marla Bollak: to write a book. And I said, I've never written a book
Marla Bollak: just like that's okay. I want you to be my
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): absolutely, absolutely. I'm so glad to bring this forward. And and then it goes back to intentions again. It's one of the themes here, right. So if you, if you are not, don't have a certain business consulting expertise.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): we'll just use this example, and a client says, You know what what I want to receive from our time together today is to get more clarity on the title and the purpose and the promise of my program. That's that's what Lara said.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): We can say back. I love that. You know what a great intention, and I just want for us to be clear. I am not a a business expert, or consultant or coach. You know what? However, you would say it, so I can't. I'm not in this session. I'm not going to give you marketing feedback
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): necessarily. But how we can use this session is as a space to for you to connect more deeply into your inner wisdom and your resources
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in order to get more clarity on the title and the purpose and the promise of your program. How does that feel for you?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Right? So absolutely. There's no shame at all in any way. If I don't have this expertise or that expertise.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and then we just share it. And and it helps us get even more clear
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): on the intentions.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Good.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I wanna note that it's 1 55 and even if folks have to go to. I'm gonna stay on longer, even if it's just me talking to myself. Pulling out some extra things to help be on the recording. Bree. Go ahead.
Brie Laridon: Yeah, thank you. Ii first, I want to really honor both. You know, Catherine and Laura for having the courage to do this.
Brie Laridon: And I really liked Catherine's question.
Brie Laridon: how does Wilde feel different than the boot camp version of change? I think that was a real turning moment where it really went into the inner wisdom and creating awareness. And just in my intuitive feeling, as I heard them talking back and forth
Brie Laridon: when Laura was describing what was
Brie Laridon: inspiring to her. I kept coming back to the word compassion.
Brie Laridon: and with, you know, with wildness and uniqueness, and letting people have their time.
Brie Laridon: and I think one of the things I may have asked is.
Brie Laridon: would you say compassion is a big part of this offering, based on what I'm hearing, checking in and then asking
Brie Laridon: if ye yes, then how could you incorporate a passion into your description? Just like taking that? And then just asking in her wisdom, and seeing how it went from there, and just seeing what came of it and seeing where it went from. There.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah, beautiful. Yes, agreed. I also wrote that question down. It was such a great creating awareness question. You could feel Lara kind of shifting with that and get some deeper places. And this that's a really nice direction to the that compassion piece. It did come up a lot, and it was part of that theme of the softness that they spoke as well.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Good golda
jodigolda: I'm in the bath. So I need camera off. So can you hear me? Yeah.
jodigolda: Okay. Yeah. I wanna echo the the bravery and the vulnerability
jodigolda: Katherine and Laura showed up with. So thank you for that and also echoing
jodigolda: the just, the the attunement, and the energetics, and just the extraordinary listening that Katherine did
jodigolda: like really using the same languaging and the words and really reflecting back that was that was stunning and just a piece that, like I was feeling excited about was
jodigolda: Laura's like deep reverence and love for the forest. And what could have occurred? Another way I might have taken it was to really ask the forest what the forest has to say about the course and the title and
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the whole experience. So I might have like, really brought the forest in and and the voice of the forest in that conversation, yeah, yeah, I'm so glad that you're bringing this as a possibility in. There was this moment.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Katherine, and it was such a beautiful moment
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): where you reflected back. I have this image of you in the forest and in the wild.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and that could have been. And it. There's always more than one direction to go in. But it. It was such a a moment of evoking somatics and feeling and energy, and that was a moment that I noted. If if you had wanted you could, you know, a practitioner could have made the choice to go into a little bit more of a somatic
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): part visualization there. I was thinking to just have Lara be feeling the wild in the woods? And then ask her questions from that wild place in herself about the program. But I also love. What Golda is suggesting is another possibility of have. The forest was so alive in the wild, was still alive in the
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): looking to the forest in the wild for some wisdom as well. And also reassurance either way, like reassurance on the fear of the art people actually gonna pay for this or wisdom on that fear.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and that's
Katherine: like, in that moment with the in the forest. And I
Katherine: I couldn't. I just couldn't. I couldn't come up with a question. So I think that's why I left it. But that's where I wanted to say it was like this is.
Katherine: and that's, I think at some point I just started talking at like this is what I'm seeing asking her question, cause I wanted to get it out there, and I just I couldn't.
Katherine: I didn't have. I didn't have a question that could stay, or I think of one. And then she's talking a while, and I don't want to interrupt her, and then, when she stops talking, or whoever it is, stops talking.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I think what happened is after you spoke about the image of her in the forest and the wild. You went to? A cognitive question of so what's the contain the connection between that and the container? Yeah, something like that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I think again bringing her into the body, or the energetic connection with herself, is wild, or with the forest, like Golda saying, and then asking some of those questions
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): now. She still got so much from Wi the direction you went into. So we're not like it was great, right? We're just talking about different alternatives, and when we can maybe drop a little bit more into the body or into the visuals, or into the energetic archetypal feelings on things.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Just an idea.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Victoria.
Victoria Cali: just looking at my notes, too, with the mention of the moment that we're talking about with bringing in
Victoria Cali: the forest in this more embodied way. I just wanted to reflect. What I
Victoria Cali: what I heard is, it was like a it was an opening spilling for Lara, where she was saying
Victoria Cali: that that there's nothing that needs to be fixed about the forest.
Victoria Cali: and that also.
Victoria Cali: he, like, went into this wisdom of like habits, are there for a reason and the awareness piece is really bringing that connection and that awareness of like.
Victoria Cali: what function or purpose are the habits
Victoria Cali: serving? So it seems like they're like the stirring of like the deeper
Victoria Cali: connection and meaning that's within the program that
Victoria Cali: she's designing like right at that point, that it was like a well, spring moment.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Absolutely absolutely. And
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): business consultant or not. That's a great piece of awareness. We need to create the awareness on that for the client.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and then also, Lara, I just wanted to tell you from a business consult consulting point on what Victoria is saying, and I'm glad you have this session recorded
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): on some other things that you said. My sense is that so much of the language that came forward in this session is actually the exact language that your ideal client needs to hear, and they will see so much value in this. You are not speaking to everyone who is looking for new habits. You are speaking to a particular person, and you through a lot of what you shared here. You connect
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): the dots for them in ways that really shows the value of what you're offering.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Okay, I'm gonna keep on going with our discussion. And also like I said, if I'm just talking to myself into the recording. But before I go I share any other of my notes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Who else wants to share on what you're seeing
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): coaching wise? What what does anybody else want to pull, Susan Engel? I saw your hand raised before. I don't know if you wanted to. Yeah, go ahead.
Susan Engel: Thank you so much. I oh, I was just so filled with the healing from that. And it was in the spaces. I feel like I'm doing a Maria I love when Maria reacts to things like it's so relate. But anyway, even for a tagline a space to grow beyond the fear, because that's exactly what Laura's doing. She's offering
Susan Engel: that healing container. And when she speaks that's just as you say, that's her marketing. And people will feel that.
Susan Engel: Yeah, it was beautiful. Thank you.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah, yeah, thank you for that, Laura. I hope you're taking notes. There's business ideas in here as well. Yes.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): alright. I'm gonna share just a couple of other things that we didn't hit
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in order of just how I took the notes. Bruce spoke to this a little bit. I just want to pull on it a little bit more. It was such a beautiful moment when Lara said, You know I'm kind of nervous.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And then, Catherine, you said. I'm nervous to equalizing the playing field. Right? And you know, let's take a breath together. You could have even gone a little further and said W. Would you like for for me to lead us in a half a minute or a minute of just getting, you know, taking a breath, getting regulated getting grounded since the client did say.
You know she was feeling nervous and wanted to take a breath.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And especially because you were feeling that, too, Catherine. It felt like you might have needed just a couple of extra moments of breathing when we lead a client through a grounding. It helps us ground as well.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Catherine started with. After some of the trying to suss out some of the intentions, Katherine said, Okay, we'll start with sharing what you've got. You know. What's the title? All of that? Right? Because
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and that was a a great I think a great, just way in. Okay, you said, title, purpose.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): promise. Tell me what you've got so far. Let let's see what's going on. We've shared a lot on this already, and the call just such beautiful listening. II also wanna say your reflections were so spot on direct result of your listening skills. You know that first reflection of there's an ethos of softness here. This is not a boot camp.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): That was.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I think.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): just that. And there's so many other reflect deep reflections that I think are so important for Lara to not only and you see more what she's doing, but I think these were all
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): directions pointed towards. Yes, this is valuable for her ideal client. Yes, they will
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): want to sign up for this. They will think they will be willing to pay for it, you know, in Lara's words.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Because this is a different way that is designed for them. I also love the question, what meaning does wild evolution evoke for you that brought forward a lot for Lara.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): There was this moment after the what meaning does Wilde evolution evoke for you? How does Wilde feel different than Boot camp?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah, we spoke about it a little bit, but you could feel Laura's energy changed. She was talking about wildness and the forest, and and there was an excitement in her voice.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): IA choice I might have made then, would be to pause there
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and create awareness on how excited she feels about these metaphors.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): have her feel into her body on how
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): that feels. and then maybe ask some kind of question around. You know, if you're feeling excited
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): about all of this.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): What's your sense of how your ideal prospects might feel?
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): If you spoke
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): about this? She might answer great, or she might answer, No, they would hate it because they don't understand right? And then that would. That could be an opening somewhere.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): another.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Oh, I don't know the exact words that you used Catherine. But one note I just wanted to make on this particular question. One note I wanted to make for you and for all of us, and it's a note that is for me as well. We looked at this in our questioning
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): some, if
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): sometimes questions can't be shorter, but
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): sometimes the more direct a question can be the better. And what I noticed with some of your questions, Catherine is
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): You'd share. You'd start a question.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): and then you'd kind of divert into context, and then you'd come back to the question. Not not with all them like I've been saying. There were a lot of great questions. But there were some of those. So just watch for some of that. Sometimes we need that context.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Sometimes we can just be more direct with the questions.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): I think that's all I'm gonna pull on for now.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Lara, I don't know if you're still here, is there, Lara? Is there anything that you wanna add, or I kind of want to give you the last words, since we're also talking a lot about you here.
Lara Wilde: Sure, yeah, that was just I was really nervous to do that because I wasn't really clear on my question. Exactly. So. It was great, even. you know my intention to get. Have you help get that out? And
Lara Wilde: yeah, I saw
Lara Wilde: Katherine just helped me see so many things like I've just had all these different things going through my mind, and it was so helpful to
Lara Wilde: connect all of it in a more concise way. And
Lara Wilde: yeah, I
Lara Wilde: it's gonna it gives me a lot to work with
Lara Wilde: just just to have that awareness that yeah, I was unsure about this description, because
Lara Wilde: it wasn't really doing what I wanted. It wasn't saying what I wanted it to say. So I definitely in the time we had together made that awareness and that that was super super helpful. So
Lara Wilde: thanks for that.
Lara Wilde: Yeah, I really, yeah, like. And like you said, I really appreciate Catherine's questions and her like, I could just feel her genuine interest in what I was, the things I was saying like she really felt like, oh, like I felt her excited
Lara Wilde: about it as well. And so that was really helpful to think. Oh, okay, somebody's excited about this cause. I really haven't shared this with anybody.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): Yeah, yes, it was such beautiful energetics in that way. And again just the listening and the reflecting. I feel like, Katherine. hold on things that you were saying, and helped you articulate them more. Go deeper with them in ways that I think are going to be really helpful.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): And you know, Lara, just to end. One thing that I want you to know is this feeling or this belief of? I need to say things
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): in a in a certain ways that I don't want to. Ii want you to really work with that belief. the most powerful marketing descriptions are the ones that come from our hearts and speak to our truth. Sometimes we need to maybe tweak a word or phrase. You know, people don't get it. That's the small stuff.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): But you, you know what's important to you in this work. You are clearly an expert in it. So so much came through in this session, and I just really want to encourage you to trust yourself and to trust
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): your ideal prospects
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): are like you. and that what's important to you is going to be important to them.
Lara Wilde: Okay, thank you. I appreciate that
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): awesome thank you everybody for. Thank you, Catherine. Amazing. Thank you, Lara, and just thank you, everybody for your your presence, and I always love to have these opportunities for a practicum to come together in this way.
Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): sending you all lots of love. I'll see you soon. Thank you. Everyone.