00:02:49 Lisa Archer: Joanna is there a recording of the business and life alchemy session you ran on Thursday last week? (Apologies if this isn't the right place to ask.) 00:03:50 Lisa Archer: Thank you so much for that :) 00:03:58 Jessica Dawson: That would be wonderful, I'd like it too. Thanks Joanna 00:04:57 Agnes: Joanna, when will you run the sacred rhythms again? 00:05:10 Susan Hagan: Reacted to "Thank you so much fo..." with ❤️ 00:05:40 Jennifer Malamas: How do we access the info about sacred rhythms? 00:06:16 Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): https://pages.applieddepthinstitute.com/sacred-rhythms 00:06:20 Jennifer: What exactly is it? 00:06:32 Jennifer: K 00:17:24 Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): • How were you given or not given permission as a child to vision for yourself? 00:18:47 Susan Hagan: I feel I had permsission but wasn't supported to follow through, much. 00:19:02 Juniper | Alchemessence: Replying to "I feel I had permsis..." Same! 00:19:02 Jessica Walker | @ketopaddlegirl: I don’t feel that my parents/teachers really made a big deal of this….it was more. Benign neglect, lol….and as long as I wasn’t hurting/impeding anyone else, they left me to it 00:19:29 Rosa Zubizarreta: I had so much trauma in my life as a child, it was hard to think about the future beyond just surviving… 00:19:42 Jennifer Malamas: Not super supported; when vocalizing “big dreams” or stretch ideas, it was often met with “you can’t do that, people don’t do that"... 00:19:48 Susan: I had a vision, and then I abandoned it and myself, and I haven’t trusted myself to have a vision since. 00:20:05 Maria Chowdhury: I was encouraged to dream or imagine. But they were exactly that day dreams not real. 00:20:15 Rosa Zubizarreta: I’m realizing that it was hard to be thinking about the future, when I felt so isolated in the circumstances in which I felt trapped… 00:20:24 Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): • What did you learn or not learn from your parents or authority figures about having a vision? 00:20:56 Susan Engel: Visioning=imagination=child’s play=waste of time 00:20:56 jodigolda: I feel like I was more projected on to about what my vision should be - which was more fairytale and Hollywood, not mine. 00:21:04 Mika: I feel there were a lot of partial permissions where some conditions were embedded within the permissions, or, conditions imposed afterwards especially if my responses were not aligned with their visions (e.g., parents, school). 00:21:18 Maria Chowdhury: My parents winged it! They did not have a plan for their lives. 00:21:20 Jen Medrick: Vision is all fine and good but likely not practical, realistic, or attainable. Don’t “dream” too big; stay focused and responsible. 00:21:20 Rosa Zubizarreta: That working hard and doing well in school was about all that one could do to create a good future… 00:21:34 Jessica Walker | @ketopaddlegirl: It was more important to get good grades, contribute to the family vs be “selfish” in pursuing my own interests 00:21:41 Helen Wrack-Adams: My dad was a workaholic entrepreneur who claimed bankruptcy when I was 17. He was always putting pressure on me to come up with a business plan for myself but I just saw that path as full of stress, failure and unfulfillment. It’s only in recent years that I’ve actually started setting goals for myself. 00:21:55 Susan: I didn’t feel like my parents had vision, they just went through life… 00:22:22 Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): • How has dominant culture allowed or not allowed you to vision for yourself? 00:22:43 Amy G: I remember more feeling pressure to 'have' a vision (and get it right) rather than the importance placed on what that was and if it was right (aligned) for/with me. 00:22:49 Agnes: in my younger childhood : eastern-Europe/communism: vision wasn`t exactly the main theme 🙂 so there wasn`t much modelling around this. 00:23:02 Jessica Walker | @ketopaddlegirl: It was expected to not just finish HS, but to also get a college degree. They weren’t even that wowed when I got my Masters, lol. 00:23:10 Susan: Reacted to "I remember more feel..." with ❤️ 00:23:21 Juniper | Alchemessence: I feel like watching people get humiliated on reality TV has a sneaky way of making going for your dreams seem ridiculous. 00:23:35 Katherine: I heard very vague “you can be whatever you want” statements without any guidance on how to figure out what that was. Also, there wasn’t an idea that the answer was inside you 00:23:55 Mallory Heartsong: My parents would make a “vision” list on NYE, and their classic story of how it began was my mom’s dream of having a rose garden. As a visionary, I think I have always romanticized visioning… good to be aware of the filter, because I never really thought about how it might be if someone didn’t have that sense… Culturally there are so many other priorities that seem to take prec 00:23:56 Sheila: Replying to "I heard very vague “..." this exactly for me too 00:24:00 Mallory Heartsong: Precendence. 00:24:39 Maria Chowdhury: I’ve not ever really been a part of dominant culture. So I created my own vision for my life 00:24:45 Susan: I’m feeling pressure from this culture of “get rich quick” for my business, the 6 figure coach etc. it is intimidating and doesn’t feel aligned with me. 00:24:49 Jessica Walker | @ketopaddlegirl: Reacted to "I feel like watching..." with ❤️ 00:29:20 Sheila: Reacted to "I’m feeling pressure..." with ❤️ 00:30:02 Infinity Nguyen: I wasn’t encouraged to articulate a vision for myself. My parents wanted me to follow a career path that would be “practical”, i.e. financially stable and societally recognized, but didn’t give me space to dream into what I truly wanted to do. They believed that in order to be survive, one needed to make a lot of compromises, and they both worked hard at jobs that weren’t soul fulfilling. The dominant culture also didn’t make it easy to see or connect with empowered Asian female role models. Most of my teachers, all throughout my life, were white. As a child of Vietnamese refugees, it was challenging at times to feel like I could have a seat at the table in terms of leadership 00:30:54 Jen Medrick: Reacted to "I’m feeling pressure..." with ❤️ 00:32:44 Maria Chowdhury: Reacted to "I wasn’t encouraged ..." with 🙏🏼 00:33:34 Jessica Dawson: Reacted to "I wasn’t encouraged ..." with 🙏 00:34:02 Suyin: Reacted to "I wasn’t encouraged ..." with 💜 00:34:38 Tracey Brown: Reacted to "I wasn’t encouraged ..." with 💜 00:34:48 Susan: Soul hunger, I love that! 00:34:49 Susan Engel: Rosa-“soul hunger” yes 00:35:10 Danielle: Reacted to "I wasn’t encouraged ..." with 💜 00:35:13 Amy G: Reacted to "I wasn’t encouraged ..." with 💜 00:35:41 Rosa Zubizarreta: Reacted to "I wasn’t encouraged ..." with 👍🏼 00:35:55 Rosa Zubizarreta: Replying to "I wasn’t encouraged ..." As an immigrant, I can totally relate! 00:36:03 Rosa Zubizarreta: Reacted to "Rosa-“soul hunger” y..." with 💕 00:36:08 Jessica Dawson: I feel like despite the messages and images of dominant culture, I've always done things a little differently but rather than going right into my authentic vision, I've taken a slightly side route that's sort of aligned with my authentic vision, but felt like a safer more accepted version within the alternative culture I've chosen. 00:36:10 Katie Vason: Reacted to "I wasn’t encouraged ..." with 💜 00:36:16 Jaya Chelani: Reacted to "I wasn’t encouraged ..." with ❤️ 00:36:21 Rosa Zubizarreta: Replying to "I’m feeling pressure..." Yes me too.. 00:36:33 Jen Medrick: Reacted to "I feel like despite ..." with 💚 00:36:46 Amy G: Reacted to "I feel like despite ..." with 💜 00:36:46 Danielle: Reacted to "I feel like despite ..." with 💚 00:36:50 Katie Vason: I work with clients people in the climate space and visioning is so important in imagining not only a more sustainable world but one that’s actually aligned with nature …permission to dream feels big. 00:36:53 Danielle: Reacted to "I’m feeling pressure..." with ❤️ 00:37:05 Amy G: Reacted to "I’m feeling pressure..." with ❤️ 00:37:14 Danielle: Reacted to "I work with clients ..." with ❤️ 00:38:47 Jen Medrick: The pressure to be a brand, to be flashy and highly active / visible on social media, to be an “influencer,” versus a slower, more gentle, more embodied immediacy with simple forms of connection and experience… To have everything be a performance, a display, feels misaligned as well as inauthentic and yet there is a sense that I may not be valued, received, successful, or of service if I’m not BIG, visible, on stage. So how to vision what’s true for me and who I want to work with can feel uncertain. 00:39:15 Danielle: Reacted to "The pressure to be a..." with ❤️ 00:39:24 Danielle: Replying to "The pressure to be a..." I really relate to this! 00:39:43 Susan: Reacted to "The pressure to be a..." with ❤️ 00:39:58 Susan: Replying to "The pressure to be a..." Me too! 00:42:09 Katie Vason: Reacted to "The pressure to be a..." with ❤️ 00:44:45 Amy G: Reacted to "The pressure to be a..." with ❤️ 00:44:55 Maria Chowdhury: How are vision and intention related? 01:02:19 Rosa Zubizarreta: Reacted to "The pressure to be a..." with 👍🏼 01:03:07 Joanna Lindenbaum (she/her): o What is 1 part of your vision/goal that you’re working on right now that is based on deep desire? Why? o What is 1 part of your vision/goal right now that is based on a should? Why? o What is one thing you are doing in your life right now that is really more for someone else’s satisfaction than for yours? Why? o How were “should”s instilled in you? o How do you know inside of you the difference bw a desire and a should? o What values are most important to you? Are your goals based on those Values? 01:06:25 Amy G: Maybe answering 'I don't know' and backing away (I see myself in this!) 01:06:28 Jessica Dawson: Tone of resignation in their voice 01:06:30 Jessica Walker | @ketopaddlegirl: Vague ansers 01:06:40 Jennifer Malamas: Actually saying the word ‘should’ a lot 01:06:52 Susan Hagan: Lack of enthusiasm. 01:06:59 Danielle: Maybe changing the subject 01:07:34 Katherine: Feeling defensive when prodded? 01:08:59 Jessica Walker | @ketopaddlegirl: Then they quit and give us a bad review 01:21:10 Jessica Dawson: This is hitting home really hard. I've pushed so much in the past, in times when it just wasn't the time. Now I'm in a space where I'm having trouble trusting the visions and being willing to put the work in, in case they don't work out again. 01:24:27 Helen Wrack-Adams: Replying to "This is hitting home..." I feel this! 01:24:51 Cathy Norris: Replying to "This is hitting home..." I can relate too. 01:25:43 Jessica Walker | @ketopaddlegirl: So many ways I can make a client orientation meeting so much richer for them 01:28:25 Tracey Brown: Please repeat what you said about our coaching partner sessions. 01:28:45 Jaya Chelani: Reacted to "Then they quit and g..." with ❤️ 01:28:56 Jessica Dawson: Reacted to "I can relate too." with 💜 01:29:06 Jessica Dawson: Reacted to "I feel this!" with 💜 01:29:21 Amy G: Reacted to "This is hitting home..." with 🙏🏻 01:29:22 Sheila: Reacted to "This is hitting home..." with ❤️ 01:30:13 Jaya Chelani: Replying to "Then they quit and g..." This is my mortal fear ...getting bad review despite trying to help them from the bottom of my heart 01:30:26 Jessica Walker | @ketopaddlegirl: Reacted to "This is my mortal fe..." with ❤️ 01:31:41 Jen Medrick: Taking away the necessity of returning to my own vision first / now. So much of how I work is bringing my own felt-sense experience of things, my own experience of the territory, to our work. Visioning is an area I want to grow into more. 01:31:50 Lisa Archer: I need to hop off, but thank you so much for today. 01:31:58 Katherine: Thanks everyone